Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Oxyjen]

Venezeulan oil would only have an effect on knock-over and potentially maritime. It would be useless for the Euromarket becasue VZ's high-sulfer swamp sludge wouldn't meet EU emissions requirements. The EU uses more diesel per capita than the US due to... shit, I forget why

(Corruption, mainly)

But they do extensively desulfurize the diesel nowadays, using hydrogen and catalysts like cobalt.
So I’m willing to bet the Venezuelan crude would be totally usable by the euro market due to advanced refineries.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The EU uses more diesel per capita than the US due to... shit, I forget why

European fuel efficiency and emissions standards in the 90s favoured diesel over petrol. A diesel gets a much better mpg, so was generally cheaper to run, even after they yugely increased tax on diesel fuel to compensate for lost revenue.

Diesel was always more popular in Europe in any case. Early American diesels for domestic use were essentially reamed out gasoline V6 and V8 blocks, which had poor performance and reliability as a result, leading to a bad reputation and a preference for gasoline engines.

 

[Ghostse]

(Corruption, mainly)

But they do extensively desulfurize the diesel nowadays, using hydrogen and catalysts like cobalt.
So I’m willing to bet the Venezuelan crude would be totally usable by the euro market due to advanced refineries.

The Crude is nearly worthless to anyone that isn't the US.

to tl;dr: VZ swamp sludge, even forgetting the impurities, is too viscous to refine into anything other than roofing tar by itself. Being just on the otherside of the Carribbean however US oil companies were all up in there since the 20s & 30s, and because it barely needs pumped extraction was cheap. The old days the answer was just to cut VZ's sludge with lighter oil (or just make roofing tar) but there was significant economic incentive to figure out better ways of handling their shit-tier oil. Thus since the 70s, the US has gotten very good at processing it where the US can get normal hydrocarbons out of VZ tar without needing to cut it. No one else has bothered figuring it out because its only worth the trouble when you are the US and have such an economic powerhouse of processing hydrocarbons and selling the output.

Venezeula has in-nation refineries, the only functional ones run by Russia and China, but they don't make normal products from it - they either cut it with largely Iranian oil or just process it into less desirable products. So even if VZ's goes back to drill Scoop baby scoop, the oil goes north the Lousiana to be processed then back down to cheifly Brazil. Euro refineries would have zero hope of handling VZ mud without significant retooling. What you would instead see is tankers of mid-grade oil, mostly indonesian, taking the Suez instead of the Panama canal.

tl;dr Its possible you could treat the diesel, but the question would be "why?".

European fuel efficiency and emissions standards in the 90s favoured diesel over petrol. A diesel gets a much better mpg, so was generally cheaper to run, even after they yugely increased tax on diesel fuel to compensate for lost revenue.

Diesel was always more popular in Europe in any case. Early American diesels for domestic use were essentially reamed out gasoline V6 and V8 blocks, which had poor performance and reliability as a result, leading to a bad reputation and a preference for gasoline engines.

I vaguely remembered it had something to do with Euro emissions and the fact they largely never shifted to gasoline in the inter-war years.

IIRC the US also went with gasoline because of a synergy with kerosene production/distribution that diesel lacked, thanks to Rockafeller making kerosene THE home fuel for heating & lighting until Electricity started taking hold.

 

[RSU 1741]

What influence did former members of that organization play in Germany's current foreign politics in regards to the war?

Most of the East German elites got summarily cleansed. There's a book, Fallen Elites by Andrew Bickford, that studies what happened to the NVA after re-unification and they got essentially chopped into pieces. The approach was schizophrenic: on one hand the political and administrative elites of the DDR failed to do what most other post-communist elites did (see, Romania, see, Bulgaria) managed to do, entrench themselves in the new system, and not for lack of trying (the amount of bullshit former DDR officials tried to do in the last days to get some money out of the takeover was something). On the other hand criminal persecution of DDR personnel was quite limited and unsuccessful, I'll let you decide if that was because the DDR wasn't criminal as supposed, because they covered their tracks well or because the Wessies simply didn't bother.

Former Eastern elites did have some limited influence, but the politics regarding Russia and German energy reserves are clearly a continuation of the Wessie approach. Remember, the only thing the Federal Germany wanted to do with the DDR was to bury it in the ground as fast as possible.

It'd be a dream to live in the GDR.

 

[Skylavijas]

Fuck, this music video is frickin awesome!

 

[World in Scarlet]

Russian BTR unloads infantry under drones. They are all killed.

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A Russian assault group on a quad bike runs over TM-62 anti-tank mine.

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Russian assault column of one tank and four civilian vehicles. Also shots of various other modern combat vehicles of the Russian army.

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Russia has produced a 7.62 x 39mm shot cartridge for combatting Ukrainian FPVs. The printed casing will certainly hold significantly more shot than improvised 5.45mm shot cartridges, and is shown here with an SKS rifle.

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Russian infantrymen are trying to repel an attack by the FPV using their crutches.

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A crutch in one arm, a rifle in the other. Russian stormtrooper, 2025.

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The new generation of Russian assault vehicles.

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An example of the assembly of a heavy armored personnel carrier based on the T-72B3 tank by one of the Russian repair units.

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A North Korean Type 73 machine gun was welded onto the sidecar of a motorcycle.

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Amazing vehicles.

The Russians looted the car of their fellow servicemen: "The electronic warfare systems were stolen before us. The wheels were stolen too. The carburettor is missing."

UAZ-452 getting ready for the next meat assault after seeing two Lada Nivas being blown to bits 5 minutes earlier.

Orcified 220-mm MLRS 9K57 "Hurricane" of the "West" force group.

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Logistics vehicles

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Russian bike mounted infantry.

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Russian Ghost Rider.

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Aftermath of drone attack on light vehicles.

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Roads of war. How will the donkeys fare in this environment?

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Village of Dar'ino, Kursk Region. Razed to the ground by the Russian military.

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Field in Kursk, covered in drone cables.

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Body wrapped up for transport.

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Cats, dog and pigs feasting on Russian soldiers.

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[Thomas Talus]

The official anthem of Russian mechanized divisons:

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Diesel was always more popular in Europe in any case. Early American diesels for domestic use were essentially reamed out gasoline V6 and V8 blocks, which had poor performance and reliability as a result, leading to a bad reputation and a preference for gasoline engines.

That was GM and it's infinite retardation. They took an Olds 350, decked the block within an inch of it's life to up the compression, replaced the throttle body with an indirect injection system, and called it a diesel. Pretty well killed the US market for diesel passenger vehicles for 20 years by just existing. This was all while Detroit Diesel was still a wholly owned subsidiary of GM and was burning piles of cash working on a 4 stroke engine that would become the 60 Series. I would have asked the subsidiary with diesel in it's name to design a diesel and not Oldsmobile, but what do I know?

e: I have been informed it gets even dumber. GM offered an Isuzu turbo 1.8L in the Chevette. Why didn't they just use that?

 

[Alexhypethrow19992]

Nafo twitter is coping about Ukrainian advances into Kursk, any firm news?

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Alleged mass graves being dug in Donetsk.

 

[Ghostse]

Nafo twitter is coping about Ukrainian advances into Kursk, any firm news?

I'd put NAFO twitter only slightly above Ukrainian MOD releases in believability/accuracy. Both are still better than Russian MOD releases but not by much.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Supposed Trump Peace Plan leak laid out on the map. Now the source Dr Ian Garner of the Pilecki Institute calls it a purported peace plan. It could well be Rus misinfo. If authentic, it basically gives Putin the maximum he could expect including Ukraine leaving Kursk and the borders frozen with EU and UK forces enforcing the 'peace plan'. However, as noted by some replies, this plan was released first by a Russian outlet, which further lowers the credibility of this supposed plan. The label stating that Ukraine accepts the pretended annexations suggests this is bunkum It would be surely impossible for the Ukrainian Pres to accept and the Ukrainian fight is no longer wholly dependent on US aid. Yet given the recent Gaza eccentricity, who is to know what is true or not. Anyhow, I think the leak is a fake. We'll see.

Ukraine has launched a new offensive in the Kursk oblast, according to reports from the Russian Ministry of Defense and Russian milbloggers on Telegram.

Russian sources say Ukrainian troops attacked southeast of Sudzha, moving toward the settlements of Fanaseyevka and Ulanok.

The Zapiski Veterana Telegram channel estimated that the advancing Ukrainian units include around 500 personnel and 50 armored vehicles.

Meanwhile, fighting in the Rylsk region has damaged a gas pipeline, triggering a fire and forcing a shutdown that left two settlements without gas, Kursk Oblast governor Alexander Khinshtein reported.

Russian troops have reportedly lost control over Cherkasskaya Konopelka, while milblogger Alex Parker Returns said that Ukrainian forces captured Ulanok. He described the offensive as beginning “like a bolt from the blue.”

According to the “War correspondents of the Russian Spring” Telegram channel, Ukrainian forces started the operation early in the morning Thursday with demining efforts, followed by armored groups advancing from the Makhnovka side, flanking Cherkasskaya Konopelka, and moving toward Ulanok.........

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A small scale Ukrainian counter-offensive in Kursk has apparently been successful. Still the pocket is down to an estimated 170 sq miles down from a peak of 503 sq miles.

 

[Ghostse]

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Supposed Trump Peace Plan leak laid out on the map. Now the source Dr Ian Garner of the Pilecki Institute calls it a purported peace plan. It could well be Rus misinfo. If authentic, it basically gives Putin the maximum he could expect including Ukraine leaving Kursk and the borders frozen with EU and UK forces enforcing the 'peace plan'. However, as noted by some replies, this plan was released first by a Russian outlet, which further lowers the credibility of this supposed plan. The label stating that Ukraine accepts the pretended annexations suggests this is bunkum It would be surely impossible for the Ukrainian Pres to accept and the Ukrainian fight is no longer wholly dependent on US aid. Yet given the recent Gaza eccentricity, who is to know what is true or not. Anyhow, I think the leak is a fake. We'll see.

I'm 98% sure that is Putin's Wank material, fake or...
The US had a plan for nuking the UK. That wasn't plan A, but you needed to do your due diligence, so the scenario & documents were created.
So its entirely possible this is from some presentation of "Scenario #2293048 We reward putin for chimping out and proving too weak and inept to invade a smaller country."

I'm pretty sure in the maximum gains for Russia, those EU peacekeepers are in the Red territory creating the DMZ not the other way.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Woah, that's totally weird and unexpected!

 

[No. 7 cat]

I'm 98% sure that is Putin's Wank material, fake or...
The US had a plan for nuking the UK. That wasn't plan A, but you needed to do your due diligence, so the scenario & documents were created.
So its entirely possible this is from some presentation of "Scenario #2293048 We reward putin for chimping out and proving too weak and inept to invade a smaller country."

I'm pretty sure in the maximum gains for Russia, those EU peacekeepers are in the Red territory creating the DMZ not the other way.

Br*t food and dentistry might be a horror for the ages, but they probably shouldn't be nuked. Anyhow, apropos of that plan has Russia's Victory Day as the end point. Whatever sources it's from, it doesn't even gel with the recent rare earths for aid floated or the overall Russian souring towards MAGA, plus the fact that military aid simply continued uninterrupted. Like all good misinfo, it's seems designed to confuse, demoralize and disorientate, making facts seems impossible to verify, perhaps driving away people from Ukraine's cause.

 

[Ego]

Sadly as it has been shown every single supporter of Ukraine is actually a paid shill so before we are all forced to stop posting cause my 5 million from USAID has cleared my bank and is no longer operational I would like to say that none of us believed anything and the biggest NAFOid actually just LARPed as a a soviet cat and said the most retarded shit possible to make the true slavs (the russians who have never done anything wrong ever) look like the dumbest niggers possible.
It was nice working with all of you over the last decade laying the ground work for NAFO which is definitely a key part of this threads existence.
Now that my department has been shuttered I myself will be moving on to pushing insects as a meat alternative to white people and trying to get RFK Jr a throat lozenge.

 

[Clownish]

Ukrainian Army Transitions from Brigade to Corps System.

According to Yuriy Butusov, the 3rd Assault Brigade will be restructured into the 3rd Army Corps. The new formation will be led by none other than Andriy Biletsky, the founder of the brigade and the Azov movement.

The 92nd Assault Brigade will be upgraded to corps, likely the 92nd Army Corps.

The National Guard of Ukraine will also adopt a corps structure. The first corps will be formed around the 12th Special Purpose Brigade Azov and will be led by Denis Prokopenko. The second corps is planned to be based on the 13th Operational Assignment Brigade Khartia, with the current commander, Ihor Obolyenskyi, at the helm.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Ukrainian Army Transitions from Brigade to Corps System.

According to Yuriy Butusov, the 3rd Assault Brigade will be restructured into the 3rd Army Corps. The new formation will be led by none other than Andriy Biletsky, the founder of the brigade and the Azov movement.

The 92nd Assault Brigade will be upgraded to corps, likely the 92nd Army Corps.

The National Guard of Ukraine will also adopt a corps structure. The first corps will be formed around the 12th Special Purpose Brigade Azov and will be led by Denis Prokopenko. The second corps is planned to be based on the 13th Operational Assignment Brigade Khartia, with the current commander, Ihor Obolyenskyi, at the helm.

Weren't people criticizing their fixation on establishing brigades? Is this a meaningful change?

Supposed Trump Peace Plan leak laid out on the map. Now the source Dr Ian Garner of the Pilecki Institute calls it a purported peace plan. It could well be Rus misinfo. If authentic, it basically gives Putin the maximum he could expect including Ukraine leaving Kursk and the borders frozen with EU and UK forces enforcing the 'peace plan'. However, as noted by some replies, this plan was released first by a Russian outlet, which further lowers the credibility of this supposed plan. The label stating that Ukraine accepts the pretended annexations suggests this is bunkum It would be surely impossible for the Ukrainian Pres to accept and the Ukrainian fight is no longer wholly dependent on US aid. Yet given the recent Gaza eccentricity, who is to know what is true or not. Anyhow, I think the leak is a fake. We'll see.

I also lean on fake, they often do this shit to poison the well. Having NATO troops guard the Ukrainian border while Ukraine itself isn't ever allowed to join NATO? Yeah, that's ridiculous to me.
Here, Putin gets everything he wants, save for overthrowing current Ukrainian government which under current circumstances is simply impossible. Forget Kiev, they can't even retake Kursk... Which here they expect to just be handed back to them, as opposed to Russia giving back what they're illegitimately occupying.

 

[Snekposter]

European fuel efficiency and emissions standards in the 90s favoured diesel over petrol. A diesel gets a much better mpg, so was generally cheaper to run, even after they yugely increased tax on diesel fuel to compensate for lost revenue.

Diesel was always more popular in Europe in any case. Early American diesels for domestic use were essentially reamed out gasoline V6 and V8 blocks, which had poor performance and reliability as a result, leading to a bad reputation and a preference for gasoline engines.

Turns out even the best diesel burns really dirty though, so European cities have particulate levels worse than just about anything in the USA as a result.

IIRC the US also went with gasoline because of a synergy with kerosene production/distribution that diesel lacked, thanks to Rockafeller making kerosene THE home fuel for heating & lighting until Electricity started taking hold.

Kerosene and diesel are pretty much 1:1 substitutes to the point the entire US military runs on kerosene (in the form of JP-, and originally gasoline, much like natural gas, was a byproduct of kerosene refinement. And it turns out that when you're the USA and have byproducts out the ass from the sheer scale of your operations, you're going to want to find a solid use for them because that's a ton of money you might be dumping or otherwise disposing of.

Hell, the world's first commercial LNG storage plant was set up in 1940 just outside Cleveland, such was the overall production and demand for NG in the USA.

 

[-Jack-]

I want to believe parts of that peace plan is revised or fake because holy fuck is that bad for Ukraine and amazing for Russia, sends out a strong message to China too.

But I guess Americans voted to stay out of foreign conflict right? How is the middle east looking?