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Nuns with guns said:
A lot of people have been campaigning for this. I think inflation should rather go down so the penny is worth something again.
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sadly that will never be allowed.

I will get alittle abstract with you here about money as a concept.

Money is basically an abstraction of "value"

Do you want money to be a "store of value" or a "means of exchange"?

These goals are fundamentally at odds with eachother. Inflation makes storing value harder and encourages investment. But too much inflation fucking ruins everything. Prices will never be allowed to go backwards even if we agree that the covid era money printer go burr was a mistake.

Because the second you get deflation it means existing debt is more exspensive and if you have money you will hold it because you will get a better value the longer you hold.

No one will allow this.

on the other hand as a means of exchange you know money is just a abstraction for stuff and the amount of stuff and its demand are always in flux worse certain things like fuel and food are very very inelastic in demand so a rising price doent really change demand.

fuck I have a few different jobs right, and I ve given honest thought to going to down to the coin shop and buying gold/sliver as a way to force more discipline on myself basically I would be selling the pm back to the shop in less that 12 months in order to service my property tax bill.
 
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Irene and 22 others said:
FDR is one of the worst presidents in this country's history and a good deal of the reason the country has been a mess for the last century. Trump has made a good start with cutting out some of the bloat, but until a president removes the absolute cancer that FDR injected into the system the nation will not fully recover.

I also don't know how you leave Jefferson off of your list. Washington gets points for realizing that that stepping away from power could set a powerful precedent (that FDR absolutely fucked up like the faggot communist that he was, may his. crippled ass rot in hell forever) but Jefferson was by any other metric a better president.
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He also stole Gold from our ancesters in 1933, and then he made it literally ILLEGAL for the plebs to hold it - and THEN the very next year he revalued the price higher, making the Government's stock ludacris.... The Kike puppets were prepping for a future war against Germany the very same year Adolf belled the rootless Jewish Banker Cat. Press S to spit on FDR's wheelchair.
 
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Fuck Bankers said:
I would hate it, if America was full of groups that controlled public and private life. What if they were collecting blackmail on the elite? That could be pretty bad if that happened.

This is still not an argument against MMT or public banking.
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I am not saying that there isn't corruption in the US. The difference between the US and China is that in the US, you will NEVER be on a first name basis with people who can pull strings. In China, it is a lot easier to know a guy who knows a guy who can do a favor because their corruption is a lot more systemic.
 
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Irene and 22 others said:
I also don't know how you leave Jefferson off of your list. Washington gets points for realizing that that stepping away from power could set a powerful precedent (that FDR absolutely fucked up like the faggot communist that he was, may his. crippled ass rot in hell forever) but Jefferson was by any other metric a better president
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Jefferson was a strong president, but his dismantling of the military is what lead to us being overwhelmed in 1812, which is understandably considered one of the biggest mistakes any president has made
 
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John Shedletsky said:
Huh. I didn't realize that much about FDR. I should've thought about that before I mentioned him.
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FDR was president through WW2. He demolished the norm of term limits and forced us to actually make it law. And he remade the country in his image. He's a great man, as in a Great Man of History. If you know your history and political and economic theory you can argue whether his New Deal (secured through bullying and slime, like any great politician) was good or bad, but don't let anyone make you feel bad for calling him a great president. Just accuse them of being a nazi and keep waving that flag.

That being said, it's fun seeing people have really strong opinions either way on him now, that was certainly true at the time. When you look at something like Grapes of Wrath, it's a great novel and an interesting view into the Dust Bowl and Great Depression, and it is also blatant, shameless pro-FDR and New Deal propaganda.

Edit: someone calling him a wheelchair-ridden fuck reminded me of this: Teddy Roosevelt overcame asthma; FDR was crippled by polio, and (more or less) successfully lied about it to the whole country. As in, it wasn't publicly acknowledged at the time, and he did stuff like practice supporting himself without the wheelchair between aides so that he could be seen "walking" publicly. Today he is celebrated as a differently-abled icon; back then he played down his being a cripple through force of will to sell himself to the American public (who, let's be real, still wouldn't vote for a cripple) to the tune of four terms.

Great man.
 
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LiquidKid said:
Jefferson was a strong president, but his dismantling of the military is what lead to us being overwhelmed in 1812, which is understandably considered one of the biggest mistakes any president has made
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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I have a question regarding this exact thing actually. Wouldn't one way to infer the 2nd amendment be that the security of the state be up to the people I.E. similar to Switzerland? Would having a military formed by the central government contradict that, since the defence and security of the states is more in the hands of the army instead than the people/militia? A quick skim of the history of the us armed forces reveals a somewhat feudal approach, where armies were created temporarily and then disbanded thereafter.
After the war, the Continental Army was quickly given land certificates and disbanded in a reflection of the republican distrust of standing armies. State militias became the new nation's sole ground army, except a regiment to guard the Western Frontier and one battery of artillery guarding West Point's arsenal. However, because of continuing conflict with Native Americans, it was soon considered necessary to field a trained standing army. The Regular Army was at first very small and after General St. Clair's defeat at the Battle of the Wabash,[28] where more than 800 soldiers were killed, the Regular Army was reorganized as the Legion of the United States, established in 1791 and renamed the United States Army in 1796.

In 1798, during the Quasi-War with France, the U.S. Congress established a three-year "Provisional Army" of 10,000 men, consisting of twelve regiments of infantry and six troops of light dragoons. In March 1799, Congress created an "Eventual Army" of 30,000 men, including three regiments of cavalry. Both "armies" existed only on paper, but equipment for 3,000 men and horses was procured and stored.[29]
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Nuns with guns said:
If you’re 100% anti-immigration you’re retarded. That’s the argument cuckservatives use because they can’t bring themselves to face it: WE DON’T WANT SUBHUMANS, WE WELCOME WHITE PROTESTANTS.

So be honest with yourself. It’s not hypocritical to welcome a Boer but want to remove the Haitian. You’re racist so stop hiding it.
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Bruh I'm like a lvl 72 racist, but I still dont want any south africans outside the occasional elong.
 
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John Shedletsky said:
I edited my post to include some addendums. I forgot that FDR was pulling some fucked up shit. Forgive me, as I'm running out of energy here.
Jefferson is good too, but I highlight Washington specifically because of his modest approach to leadership in America. Even if Jefferson, by comparison, was better. It takes a lot of goodness within someone's heart to be as modest as Washington was, given his unique position at the time.
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I think one of the most under rated presidents was John Tyler, after being given the job because Harrison died 3 weeks into office, he has no backing from either political party and became our country’s only independent president.

He was the one who said fuck you to the senate and pushed annex Texas after the senate rejected the treaty.

He signed the Webster-Ashburton Treaty which helped smooth things over with British Canada and set Maine’s boundaries

He was the one to push tariffs in 1842

He pushed for the expansion of the navy, which would quickly become the world’s largest

And he was also the first vice president to take over and made sure to cement the fact that he wasn’t a lesser president. They wanted to give him less power because he wasn’t the one they voted on, he said fuck that and made sure that the inheriting president would have all the same powers, which would go in to give up Teddy Roosevelt.

He wasn’t perfect, but he was able to avoid the bureaucracy entirely and just get shit done. But both parties hate him so much that he’s often ignored by history
 
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