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Tasty Tatty said:
It's really not as rare as people think. Evanna Lynch was a hard HP fan who took the chance of playing Luna when the open casting was announced and she looks exactly the part. A. J. Locascio and Channing Tatum both were fans of Gambit in their childhood and both took also the chance to play him. Mackie, Hoult, and McAvoy were also xmen fans.
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It's certainly not impossible, hence the reason I deleted my original post, as I had second thoughts. But what is suspicious to me is how they tried to sell Iman as basically being almost exactly like Comic's Kamala Khan in real life. Possible? Sure. But the fact Marvel has tried for years to make Kamala mainstream, and failed, makes me suspicious.It feels too perfect. But I concede it's still within the realm of possibility.

But like you said, it has happened before. Evanna is probably the most notorious example of an actress being very similar to their character in real life and getting the role. Considering I backtracked my other post, I willl give her the benefit of doubt.
 
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Mystery Spy said:
But I concede it's still within the realm of possibility.
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Pretty sure it's a meme that the kids of immigrants embrace the goyslop of the country they live in. And in the 2010s that means MCU bullshit. In the 1990s it meant being into rap. In the 1980s it meant Bruce Springsteen and in the 1910s it meant being pimped out and hooked on drugs. And despite referencing 4 different pieces of media, somehow the only one you're called "gayops" on is the MCU.

By that logic every worthless fucking Asian and especially Indian and Arab into rap culture is some psyop from record companies.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
And despite referencing 4 different pieces of media, somehow the only one you're called "gayops" on is the MCU.
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Like I said in the post you are quoting, I changed my stance. I am not fully sold. but I'll give her the benefit of doubt. But to be clear, I really don't care about her ethinicty. I just don't trust Disney.
 
Mystery Spy said:
But like you said, it has happened before. Evanna is probably the most notorious example of an actress being very similar to their character in real life and getting the role. Considering I backtracked my other post, I willl give her the benefit of doubt.
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I think it's the fact that they become fans bc the character looks like them. Luna looks like Evanna, not otherwise. And Channing Tatum is Cajun. Mackie is from New Orleans, that's his reason to be a fan of Gambit. The actress might have heard of Kamala and became a fan because she is a Pakistani Muslim originally.

The xmen specifically were a big thing in the 90s. If an actor now is in their 40s, there is a big chance they at least watched the animated series.
 
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To be clear, I like the actress, so she’s the only reason I’m giving the benefit of the doubt. I couldn’t care less about her ethnicity. As for big companies like Disney? Now those I don’t trust—and I do think they’d try a stunt like this.

But again, that’s a stance I backtracked on @Get the rope Macaulay! I only mentioned it to provide context for your reply. I did it for your benefit (Which now I regret given your reaction). You’re addressing a position I’ve already changed my mind about.


Tasty Tatty said:
The actress might have heard of Kamala and became a fan because she is a Pakistani Muslim originally.
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It’s not her being a fan itself that made me suspicious, but rather the attempt to portray her as a real-life Kamala. The comic’s Kamala Khan is defined by being a comic book fangirl who writes fan fiction. I pointed out her fandom not because being a fan is inherently suspicious, but because it aligns almost too perfectly with her character.

That said, my stance has shifted. I’m not entirely convinced, but I do think it’s possible.​

 
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Tasty Tatty said:
I think it's the fact that they become fans bc the character looks like them. Luna looks like Evanna, not otherwise. And Channing Tatum is Cajun. Mackie is from New Orleans, that's his reason to be a fan of Gambit. The actress might have heard of Kamala and became a fan because she is a Pakistani Muslim originally.

The xmen specifically were a big thing in the 90s. If an actor now is in their 40s, there is a big chance they at least watched the animated series.
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It's because they have a shared experience, not because they "look like them". I'm a white man and the capeshit characters that I feel the most connected to are X-23 and Cassandra Cain, two little asian girls, because their experiences with childhood neglect and abuse are the closest analogues to what my childhood was like. I knew a black guy who quipped that if he let the color of Superman's skin keep him from relating to the character he'd be dead or in jail.
 
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dick brain said:
It's because they have a shared experience, not because they "look like them". I'm a white man and the capeshit characters that I feel the most connected to are X-23 and Cassandra Cain, two little asian girls, because their experiences with childhood neglect and abuse are the closest analogues to what my childhood was like. I knew a black guy who quipped that if he let the color of Superman's skin keep him from relating to the character he'd be dead or in jail.
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I couldn’t agree more. The myth that people can only relate to characters who look exactly like them is why so many MCU projects have bombed and "woke" comics and shows keep failing. In reality, people connect with others who share similar life experiences—not just superficial traits.

Take Peter Parker, for example. Many relate to his story, yet few are young, white, poor New Yorkers juggling part-time photography gigs. I’d argue most people who relate to him don’t resemble him physically at all. But a lot of people feel conected to his life struggles.

As for actors claiming their current role is their "favorite"? That’s rarely genuine. Their job is to embody characters they’re nothing like—that’s the essence of acting. While exceptions exist (like Evanna Lynch), the vast majority of actors bear little resemblance to the roles they play. I do think IT IS very rare. Even if some exceptions do exist. In fact Evanna's case is so well known precisely because it was literally a one in a thousand case , and her competition for the role, which could've taken the role if she hadn't tried, were nothing like Luna, her character, at all. Even her case was a very slim chance.
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
Maaan I miss Avengers Endgame and the buildup to that.

Sure many of the movies were bland, but the build up was awesome. Was a "must've been there to experience" kinda thing; can't get that by watching them now...
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I remember being a teenager back when Endgame came out in theaters in opening day.

I remember how the entire theater was crowded with everyone wearing marvel merch and cosplay.
And how all the Endgame theaters were packed.
One of the few theaters experiences that felt really eventful for me.

I really have forgotten how big the MCU was.
Truth to be told, maybe ending it by then would have been best.
 
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Mystery Spy said:
It's certainly not impossible, hence the reason I deleted my original post, as I had second thoughts. But what is suspicious to me is how they tried to sell Iman as basically being almost exactly like Comic's Kamala Khan in real life. Possible? Sure. But the fact Marvel has tried for years to make Kamala mainstream, and failed, makes me suspicious.It feels too perfect. But I concede it's still within the realm of possibility.

But like you said, it has happened before. Evanna is probably the most notorious example of an actress being very similar to their character in real life and getting the role. Considering I backtracked my other post, I willl give her the benefit of doubt.
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I recall the hype about Jason Oogabooga being a Star Wars nerd heading into the Sequels, including a photo of "his" well worn paperbacks of NJO etc
tbh I really hope it was bullshit
it would be bad enough being a random actor attached to running one of the best-loved franchises on the planet into the fucking ground
imagine being a fan of the franchise and being that
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
Maaan I miss Avengers Endgame and the buildup to that.

Sure many of the movies were bland, but the build up was awesome. Was a "must've been there to experience" kinda thing; can't get that by watching them now...
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It was kind of like that with Harry Potter film/book coming every year.

"Shared Universe" killed the concept of sequential films.
 
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Mystery Spy said:
I couldn’t agree more. The myth that people can only relate to characters who look exactly like them is why so many MCU projects have bombed and "woke" comics and shows keep failing. In reality, people connect with others who share similar life experiences—not just superficial traits.
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Its a bit of column A and column B, people can relate/connect to fictional characters whether it be personality traits, their experiences, their names, or even their appearance.

Though I feel the MCU's stuff keeps bombing due to poor writing. She-Hulk being an unfunny show that decided to devolve into a plot about fighting an army of incels, The Marvels being heavily reliant on tv shows while also just being too full of quirky marvel humor, Thor 4 being too much of a shitty cartoon, and Ant-Man 3 that was just the worst of Rick and Morty while hyping up one of the most boring cinematic villains out there.

I feel this year is going to be an actual test for the MCU with Thunderbolts and Captain America 4, because Fantastic 4 could be carried by being a film of already popular characters that were not seen on the big screen in 10 years with an actual decent trailer while also being disconnected from the rest of the MCU. Whereas Thunderbolts and CA4 both are still in the main continuity.

Deadpool and Wolverine last year was successful due to the star power of both the characters/actors and being a decent film while Guardians 3 had faith in it due to the other films in that subseries actually being good.

Thunderbolts and Captain America 4 are going to really decide the MCU's staying power since Fantastic 4 has too much to be an anomaly to really count it as such. Same with whatever Spider-Man movie comes out since Spider-Man is one of the top 3 superheroes.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Though I feel the MCU's stuff keeps bombing due to poor writing.
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people don't want to admit it, but this is probably it. you had RDJ, Joss Whedon, and James Gunn all putting in their input in the thanos saga scripts, and all 3 vanished around that same time. beyond that the continuity got away from them, supposedly Dr Strange 2 had to change shit up because of covid delays and the writers couldn't know what happened on wandavision when they made the film and the delays on Dr. Strange 2 led to having to change a shitload from Spiderman as well, Apparently America the latina was supposed to be a part of that film and most of strange's idiot ball stuff in the original was just stuff her character was meant to do and she was supposed to be like a new part of Team Parker. Instead we got what we got

Doctor of Autism said:
Thunderbolts and Captain America 4,
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unless CA4 has some Winter Soldier-esque twist that can get asses in seats its another fucking flop, best case scenario it clears 600m worst cast it clears under 500 Million, apparently black man vs the president is turning off a fuck load of people, especially internationally, plus i guess lots of people didn't bother watching the tv series so they're wondering why the black dude has the shield. they've done years of reshoots and can't figure out how to make the plot work, its obvious Disney is lying about the budget too, this supposedly has a $180 million budget, which would make it the cheapest MCU movie in over 5 years, i'm calling bullshit considering this film was supposed to release this time last year and kept being forced later and later as more problems and bad test screenings happened. Easily a $200+ million film.

even reddit is cynical about thunderbolts and is just going "Miss Flo and the Russian dad's relationship is all i'm watching this for" and everyone has mostly guessed the plot down to who's living and dying and its going to live and die based on WOM and critical reviews.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
It was kind of like that with Harry Potter film/book coming every year.

"Shared Universe" killed the concept of sequential films.
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Not really; HP was linear and kinda dull 4th movie onward...

Granted most of the trilogies were shit in the MCU and any sequel was bland and uninspired, but they did tease Thanos in the end credits of the more important movie so...

It was a culture; introduce hero, tease Thanos in end-credits, see him in Avengers, then it all built up into Infinity War and Endgame...

Then, ugh... Phase 4 happened, where they replaced all the major heroes with girlboss counterparts and whatever bland movies/sequels whatever. I think Disney stopped giving a shit...
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
Then, ugh... Phase 4 happened, where they replaced all the major heroes with girlboss counterparts and whatever bland movies/sequels whatever. I think Disney stopped giving a shit...
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That's when Woke took over the MCU. It was no longer about telling a decent story, but race maximizing like with Black Panther or Captain Marvel and that plan failed miserably. It's also why nothing got built up through those two phases.
 
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