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Should be a wild four years.

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they have good-ass food. that's why. That and their customer service is unparalleled. Seriously, compare a Chick-fil-A worker to say, a McDonald's employee, it's like night and day
People say the same thing about In N Out, which also had massive lines and I always hated the taste of both.
 
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In order to match the F-22, between now and 2034, accounting for the planned production of roughly another 1000 planes over that period, another 200 planes need to crash, or about two every month. We're at 15 so far. Probably not gonna happen.



Your crash list includes crashes by Japanese, South Korean, and British crashes. There have been 9 American crashes and one in-flight fire.

10/638 x 100% = 1.4%, even lower than the 2.2% crash rate calculated earlier.



Do them yourself, faggot. I'm not your homework bitch.
lmao sorry to incovneiance you, just thought we were having a interesting a useful discussion. I appreciate your insight on how there isent quite as much disparity as I originally thought, the overall amount is a nuanced point.

your right there were 2 partner nation crashes but that would still put them on par with eachother despite the f-22 being in service for over a decade longer.

not trying to win any argument or try and make you sound wrong for disagreeing, I just suck shit at math and you seem to show a proclivity for it that's the reason I asked

I just think there is an important discussion to have about how much is being spend on these vs their performance in the field.
 
Few pages late, but absolutely. That's definitely been my experience in real life, too. The people that the left love to label as "racist" are in fact just normal dudes.

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It's because they're all people who can take a joke and recognize stereotypes. get a group of normal men in a room together with all different ethnic backgrounds and they'll be cracking each other up talking mad shit and making racist jokes about each other and feel no ill will towards another. It's always "man, that was fucked up.. but it's true! We are like that!"
 
Production cost of an F-35 is around $80 million. Production cost of an F-22 was around $120m.
its down to that now , the overall program is at 2 trillion so its not quite the "budget friendly" option

it will continue to get cheaper but I included the 110 figure as when they were purchased thats what they cost

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67 billion vs 2 trillion
 
if it stands cool or another long court fight .
L for fed unions
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U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole Jr. found that unions must first adjudicate their claims before the Merit Systems Protection Board or Federal Labor Relations Authority before suing in court.
the federal judge who had temporarily blocked President Trump and Elon Musk’s plan to offer most federal workers paid administrative leave if they resign by September 30 reversed course Tuesday, dissolving the temporary restraining order upon concluding he lacked jurisdiction in the case.

The American Federation of Government Employees had sued to block the deferred resignation program, arguing that its chaotic rollout and shifting legal justifications constituted violations of the Administrative Procedure Act’s protections against “arbitrary and capricious” decision-making, and that the promise to pay employees past the March 14 shutdown deadline could constitute an Anti-Deficiency Act violation.

But the government argued that the unions lacked standing in the case because the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act channels most disputes over federal personnel policy or decisions to either the Federal Labor Relations Authority, the Merit Systems Protection Board or U.S. Office of Special Counsel. This week, Trump has removed leaders from all three agencies amid a governmentwide purge of appointees in watchdog roles.

In his decision, U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole Jr., a Clinton appointee in Massachusetts, wrote that the union’s challenges are of the type Congress “intended for review within the statutory scheme,” referring to the need to file administrative appeals before going to court. He also denied the union’s request for a preliminary injunction.

“Aggrieved employees can bring claims through the administrative process,” he wrote. “That the unions themselves may be foreclosed from this administrative process does not mean that adequate judicial review is lacking.”

The administration said Monday that 65,000 employees had accepted the deferred resignation offer thus far. OPM did not immediately respond to a request for comment regarding what the new deadline would be.
 
your right there were 2 partner nation crashes but that would still put them on par with eachother despite the f-22 being in service for over a decade longer.

2019: Japan
2021: UK
2022: SK

3 out of 15 is 20% of all crashes. It's significant.

not trying to win any argument or try and make you sound wrong for disagreeing, I just suck shit at math and you seem to show a proclivity for it that's the reason I asked

Okay, fine, I'll do the math.

From 2004-present, a period of 20 years, we've seen 16 out of 187 F-22s lost due to accident.
From 2014-present, a period of 10 years, we've seen 15 out of 1000 F-35s lost due to to accident.

16/187 x 100% / 20 years = 0.43% per year
15/1000 x 100% / 10 years = 0.15% per year
Just in the USA:
12/638 x 100% / 10 years = 0.18% per year

In proportion to the number planes fielded, about 3 times as many F-22s are lost every year as F-35s.

I just think there is an important discussion to have about how much is being spend on these vs their performance in the field.

F-35 total program cost of $2T is an estimate for a program lifetime from 2000-2088 and thousands of planes. So when you take into account the scale of the program, it's not as insane as it sounds. At the end of the day the per-unit cost is 20%-40% less than the F-22.
 
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2019: Japan
2021: UK
2022: SK

3 out of 15 is 20% of all crashes. It's significant.



Okay, fine, I'll do the math.

From 2004-present, a period of 20 years, we've seen 16 out of 187 F-22s lost due to accident.
From 2014-present, a period of 10 years, we've seen 15 out of 1000 F-35s lost due to to accident.

16/187 x 100% / 20 years = 0.43% per year
15/1000 x 100% / 10 years = 0.15% per year
Just in the USA:
12/638 x 100% / 10 years = 0.18% per year

In proportion to the number planes fielded, about 3 times as many F-22s are lost every year as F-35s.



F-35 total program cost of $2T is an estimate for a program lifetime from 2000-2088 and thousands planes. So when you take into account the scale of the program, it's not as insane as it sounds. At the end of the day the per-unit cost is 20%-40% less than the F-22.
Alright, Im just saying taking all that into consideration, and thank you for doing that math, where did all that money go to if the unit cost of the f-22 was so much higher yet the program was so much cheaper and they have very similar crash amounts despite having so many more units

Was the sheer volume enough to account for this? I guess to a laymen taxpayer when I read how much we spent on this fighter I excepted 1 crashing to be IMPOSSIBLE forget a dozen or so.

You spend all this money to develop a plane that dosent have a more impressive safety rating than the one we spent a fraction on

Just on an international level it makes us not look great, do you think Its just recency bias on my part though and that its more standard than we might think for "significant" if not massive amounts of planes will simply fail for reasons not beyond sheer chance?
 
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Apparently the events in Lincoln Heights, Ohio are in response to a group of armed Neo-Nazis who displayed their signs at a nearby overpass not being arrested by local law enforcement. To my understanding the individuals were ordered to disperse but that was it and now the police are now defending their own actions.

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Why the hell are blacks freaking out about a bunch of Kanye West fans?


The National Socialist Movement isn't really relevant anymore relatively speaking so these guys seem to be its replacement in the Neo-Nazi sphere of far-right groups in the USA. To some it is all a big act but there is probably a handful of hardcore believers.

To get an idea of what to expect here is an image of the Blood Tribe and a image of the Goyim Defense League:
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Oh shit, it's those Ukraine guys. These dudes are so federal that they went to join the Azov Battalion an kill for Jews in the name of Whiteyness. Absolutely 100% assets of the same filth that Elon is defunding.
 
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