Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

I am under the impression that the Chernobyl area was under russian control, is it not anymore?
How can you tell which side a drone is? Does it play their national anthem? Fly their country's flag?

Drones fly everywhere, they have significant range and are too small to be detected and hit by AA ordinance reliably.
You can't really tell whose drone it is, especially considering that both sides jury-rig them from whatever is available.

Having said that, the dilomatic situation is going south for Zelensky, and a drone hitting Chernobyl on the first day of negotiations is just so very, very convenient. When in doubt, ask who benefits.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

Regarding the recent Chernobyl drone attack
I am under the impression that the Chernobyl area was under russian control, is it not anymore?
How can you tell which side a drone is? Does it play their national anthem? Fly their country's flag?

With answers other posters gave, I will post something else.

If you read an outlet - msm, ap, reuters, whatever - and you see "Ukraine says" in the title, you can disregard it as propaganda. From the day one we were bombarded with "ukraine says". Ukraine says russia ran out of missiles. Ukraine says russian meatwaves fail to breach their defensive lines. Ukraine says russia lost three Il-76 over odessa (still waiting for them to prove it). Ukraine says russia steals microchips from washing machines for their missiles. Ukraine says russia ran out of tanks. Ukraine says... see the pattern here?

Unfortunately for ukraine, the political and realistic tides are turning hard against them. In the past whenever public opinion forgot about them, they did exactly that, create a high profile outrage bait that will make people go "russia bad". Chernobyl is not the first nuclear power plant they went after. Zaporoże and Kursk were their favorite targets, but due to sheer incompetence they failed to induce any serious damage. And as someone else stated, always ask yourself - what has russia to gain from bombing chernobyl, zaporoże, kursk? Why use shitty drones when we know they have access to much more powerful weapons? If they REALLY wanted to fuck things up, they would drop one of their bunker busting bombs, or just launch an ICBM at it.

Point is, ukies are desparate and grasping at straws.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

If nazis trying to blow up Chernobyl 24 hours later isn't Chutzpah then what is?

 

[TexWiller]

You guys seem less retarded than the dudes in the other thread so, as a premise, these are genuine questions and I do not follow the war very much.
Regarding the recent Chernobyl drone attack
I am under the impression that the Chernobyl area was under russian control, is it not anymore?
How can you tell which side a drone is? Does it play their national anthem? Fly their country's flag?

I am very much aware that the damage is insignificant and hit only the outer part of the sarcophagus, contrary to how it is overplayed in the news.

well i will add some sperging to the "NUCULAR DiSaStEr1!!" headlines.

1st, what was hit is not the "sarcophagus" but a new structure built with international money called new safe confinement, which is basically a glorified industrial shed which protects from the element the area where the old sarcophagus is being dismatled, and to a lesser extent, imo, reduce the chance that some radioactive dust flying around. it also has cranes and other infrastructure to facilitate the work. this thing costed over EUR 2 bln and if you ask me is yet another international grift galore.

The engine found is a shahed engine, but at this stage could have been planted there. there was a russian drones bombardment last night but dont know if shahed were used and if that could have been a faulty guidance, EW, a mistake, you name it.
it could have also been a false flag and i certainly wont put that beyond the ukros.

the russians targeting intentionally the confinement makes zero sense. no military value. which also adds to the false flag possibility. very spectacular, guaranteed international outrage fuelled of course by the usual scumbags in the media, and pretty safe, probably nobody at work inside and as i said zero chance of radioactive incidents. until the start of the war and even before the new confinement was built chernobyl and prypiat were touristic attractions of sort.

 

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

Don't worry guys, there is a nearly intact engine that survived the explosion proving it was a Shahed drone. Clearly impossible to fake, especially on the 1st day of negotiations between the US and Russia. Those evil RUZZIANS just want to see a nuclear containment disaster on their border.

Stolen from reddit

 

[CaptainAutism69]

chernobyl and prypiat were touristic attractions of sort.

Been there myself, both as a tourist while living in Kiev, but also as a guest of a friend who was involved in the design and construction of the NSC. I've been inside the structure before it was placed over reactor 4's building. Incredible structure, shame that it's being used as a target.
Radiation in the local area was next to nothing...

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

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Don't worry guys, there is a nearly intact engine that survived the explosion proving it was a Shahed drone. Clearly impossible to fake, especially on the 1st day of negotiations between the US and Russia. Those evil RUZZIANS just want to see a nuclear containment disaster on their border.

Stolen from reddit

A completely intact Russian passport belonging to Samyslav Hydanov was also found at the site.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Zelensky suggested that EU countries store gas in Ukraine, which should assume the role of a “guarantor” of Europe's energy security.

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

Now would be a funny time for someone to make a Downfall (2004) edit based on Mr Z.

 

[Male Idiot]

like Al Bundy reminiscing about his high school football glory days.

Mock not the man who made 4 touchdowns in one game.

You guys seem less retarded than the dudes in the other thread so, as a premise, these are genuine questions and I do not follow the war very much.
Regarding the recent Chernobyl drone attack
I am under the impression that the Chernobyl area was under russian control, is it not anymore?
How can you tell which side a drone is? Does it play their national anthem? Fly their country's flag?

I am very much aware that the damage is insignificant and hit only the outer part of the sarcophagus, contrary to how it is overplayed in the news.

Generally, drones are really hard to detect as said above, and you can really easily just jank a drone together from civilian parts. There are russian only models, ukraine only models, and everything else they repurpose. So you can't ever be sure who flew the drone most of the time. This is before we even think of a false flag.

Drones fly everywhere, they have significant range and are too small to be detected and hit by AA ordinance reliably.
You can't really tell whose drone it is, especially considering that both sides jury-rig them from whatever is available.

Having said that, the dilomatic situation is going south for Zelensky, and a drone hitting Chernobyl on the first day of negotiations is just so very, very convenient. When in doubt, ask who benefits.

What this says. But there isn't really a big incentive to drone the facility except PR. Drone bombs won't blow it up and scatter everything high up into the sky, the bombs aren't that big.

If it was Russia, a glide bomb would have worked better if they wanted supermutants.

 

[kuuu]

Happy consoom more of our shit day.

I don't think any translation is necessary.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[The Ugly One]

i would argue that being the "subject" of a king is way better than to be the "citizen" of a democratic elected mafia.

WWI completely discredited autocratic monarchy. Everyone from the Windsors to the Habsburg-Lorraines to the Hohenzollerns to the Romanovs was more than happy to watch young men die by the million for no real reason that the common man could discern. That's why those monarchies that survived the revolutions of the 19th century were finally overthrown or neutralized after 1918.

If the Tsar had been willing to listen to the people and back out of the war after millions of commoners died fruitlessly, there might still be a Tsar presiding over some kind of parliamentiary monarchy in Russia. He and his family at least wouldn't have ended up getting murdered in a basement.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Live UA is claiming

Explosion in Mykolaiv happened when suspected female attacker with a backpack approach group of soldiersp​

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Someone taking payback on the street snatchers?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Now, if you say we should dissolve NATO and the US will pull out from europe entirely, I doubt any yurocuck will protest against that. But alas, your govt disagrees with letting the vassals of the empire go.

The issue is that when the Trump administration says the US is walking away from Ukraine and handing responsibility off to Europe, it is also signaling that we're walking away from NATO (and by default, Europe). That's why they're suddenly melting down because up until now they thought the US would back them up against any threats no matter what; thus, when Obongo and his pals decreed Russia was the big bad they played their part with gusto. Now, not only are they losing it over having to, you know, actually spend for defense and prioritize, they're actively pushing back. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chernobyl drone wasn't another stupid bong op to drag us back into this clusterfuck.

The best example of this is that ridiculous EU Foreign Affairs cunt Kaja Kallas, complaining that any US and Russia agreements without the advice and consent of the EU and Ukraine are invalid. This is a really bad sign for the people of Europe, for a couple of reasons. First, it means that she's asserting a right that doesn't exist (for the EU, the Ukraine under international law and norms is precluded since Zelensky hasn't been eligible to hold office since May 2024). Decreeing that any agreements between US/Russia can be ignored or challenged is an extraordinary position to take in this context.

Second she's implying the EU can support and even enter the conflict if she deems necessary to do so (which, by the way, is very similar to how those two other World Wars started off). No matter what the US (the nation that actually runs NATO) and Russia (the only other nuclear super power with the largest and best trained/equipped army in Europe) say or do, Kallas is subtly asserting the EU/Ukraine must be included, or else. It's ridiculous since there will be no way of maintaining the status quo in the Ukraine without the US/NATO,and Hegseth stated it very clearly: there will be no American troops in the Ukraine and thus, no NATO.

Like it or not, the US was able to restrain or get rid of idiots like Kallas, that was our most important role post-war in Europe. I get that the prior administration was batshit insane and like-minded yuro politicians went all out to do Biden's bidding, but when I say unfuck yourselves, what I mean is you really have to fight to keep those clowns out and under control because the US, like it or not, has undergone a huge political shift in the years after GWOT. Men (and women) will not flock to sign up to fight in spurious foreign conflicts anymore and any attempt at a draft would result in the rapid destabilization of the United States. When I say we aren't coming back a third time, I mean the US government knows they're finished if they try to force Americans go halfway around the world to fight and die in a war against Russia. USAID billions couldn't change that; Kallas and her kind are simply too far removed from reality to understand the new paradigm.

 

[Male Idiot]

Like it or not, the US was able to restrain or get rid of idiots like Kallas, that was our most important role post-war in Europe. I get that the prior administration was batshit insane and like-minded yuro politicians went all out to do Biden's bidding, but when I say unfuck yourselves, what I mean is you really have to fight to keep those clowns out and under control because the US, like it or not, has undergone a huge political shift in the years after GWOT. Men (and women) will not flock to sign up to fight in spurious foreign conflicts anymore and any attempt at a draft would result in the rapid destabilization of the the United States. When I say we aren't coming back a third time, I mean the US government knows they're finished if they try to force Americans go halfway around the world to fight and die in a war against Russia. USAID billions couldn't change that; Kallas and her kind are simply too far removed from reality to understand the new paradigm.

I do not disagree, but you need to understand that these Eu-crats got their positions made, fortified, and entrenched by the US deep state. Simply because Trump turned against the deep state does not suddenly make the deep state entrenchement dissapear. The system has been rigged using a human lifetime's worth of US occupation and lawfare red tape.

Imagine that Truman was a king and was friends with King Bong. He had his rich kingdom's resources and built a giant, super duper Kaiserkastle for King Bong.
Now that King Trump doesn't like King Bong's grandsone King Loicense. That does not make the giant castle dissapear into thin air, and the local bong peasants can do nothing to raze the giant Kaiserkastle down. It is just too big and too well built.

You can't just unfuck it. It is built into the system from the very bottom, like a zero day Apple product exploit.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I do not disagree, but you need to understand that these Eu-crats got their positions made, fortified, and entrenched by the US deep state. Simply because Trump turned against the deep state does not suddenly make the deep state entrenchement dissapear. The system has been rigged using a human lifetime's worth of US occupation and lawfare red tape.

Imagine that Truman was a king and was friends with King Bong. He had his rich kingdom's resources and built a giant, super duper Kaiserkastle for King Bong.
Now that King Trump doesn't like King Bong's grandsone King Loicense. That does not make the giant castle dissapear into thin air, and the local bong peasants can do nothing to raze the giant Kaiserkastle down. It is just too big and too well built.

You can't just unfuck it. It is built into the system from the very bottom, like a zero day Apple product exploit.

I do get it, and how and when it nosedived. I could apologize but I won't, simply because we have also been fucked over by the same cunts. We literally had an election stolen. Americans took out loans they are still paying off decades later to go to university and still can't afford to buy a home yet illegals were put up in five star hotels for free and given no interest loans to buys houses, cars and start a business. All of this so they could manufacture political support, in the US and abroad.

I'm not saying it because I'm scolding you, I'm saying it because we too are in the same situation. Trump is a respite, but he has an end date.

 

[TexWiller]

Zelensky suggested that EU countries store gas in Ukraine, which should assume the role of a “guarantor” of Europe's energy security.

that would be a fantastic idea. what could possibly go wrong? dunno, the green drug addict using the gas stored in ukraine as blackmail material?

Generally, drones are really hard to detect as said above, and you can really easily just jank a drone together from civilian parts. There are russian only models, ukraine only models, and everything else they repurpose. So you can't ever be sure who flew the drone most of the time. This is before we even think of a false flag.

also each side reuse stuff captured; a recent video from Patrick Lancaster showed exactly that, a russian lab repurposing ukr drones.

USAID billions couldn't change that; Kallas and her kind are simply too far removed from reality to understand the new paradigm.

Kallas, Rutte, Dracula, and the other assorted european russophobic psychos are the result of years of selection, where the most absurd, narcissistic lunatics have been selected and nominated to top roles. ultimately, they are all talk and no action.

just saw JD Vance speech at the Munich conference. wow.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It's ridiculous since there will be no way of maintaining the status quo in the Ukraine without the US/NATO,and Hegseth stated it very clearly: there will be no American troops in the Ukraine and thus, no NATO

It would be possible for the Bongs to set up shop in Ukraine, then start some shit and come running to the US for help under Article 5. Hegseth is heading that idea off at the pass with a preemptive "FAFO," just like the Turks were told when their adventure in Syria went south.

for the EU, the Ukraine under international law and norms is precluded since Zelensky hasn't been eligible to hold office since May 2024).

For the EU, "suspending elections during a crisis [that you caused]" might not be verboten, but Zelensky banned himself from negotiating with Russia.

 

[TexWiller]

For the EU, "suspending elections during a crisis [that you caused]" might not be verboten, but Zelensky banned himself from negotiating with Russia.

ppfft. for the EU suspending, cancelling, postponing, stealing election is daily business

just saw dracula von der leyen speech. barf. on which planet these criminals live?