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Exposing Marwa Asfour said:
"The real shooter appears taller and lankier of Nordic or slavic descent with white skin and a pink hue to it. Whereas Luigi from Mario bros is a typical tanned wop with a greasy black mop top and bushy ass black unibrow."

"Yeah the dude in the actual assassination footage has pink skin like an eastern European or Anglo and the guy they busted in Altoona, Pennsylvania has olive skin like a Mediterranean."

"The kid from the hostel and from the taxi is Luigi. The guy who shot the CEO is not Luigi. Luigi was wearing a different outfit, has a different skin tone, different size and build, different eyebrows, and different eye color from the shooter."

"Olive skin does not become pink based on camera differences. Nose bridge width does not change based on camera differences. Thick bushy hair does not disappear completely based on camera differences."

“Autist with 10000+ hours on lookism forums here. It’s not the same guy. The periorbital countour, nasal bridge and brows are completely different. Also the shooter is fair-skinned with cool, pink undertones. You have to be retarded to think that Luigis face would look like this in any capacity even with concelmeant on. Shooters skull structure is of a progressive northern aurignacid type (North Atlantid, North Pontid, Nordid, East Nordid etc or Keltid/Dinarid influences), none of which Luigi remotely resemble.”

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There's a problem with these theories in that they assume that the CCTV images presented at the time were actually Luigi and not just people in jackets with masks that happened to look similar to Luigi.

It's entirely plausible that during the rush/clusterfuck following the shooting that the police released images of what they thought was Luigi (or "the shooter") but weren't actually Luigi - they may still not even definitively know if some of those pictures are of Luigi. Given the population size of New York City and the highly generic appearance that Luigi has it is highly reasonable that there were a few, if not several people that had very similar appearances and complicated their search.

All that really matters is that they found him in a McDonald's with a ghost gun that supposedly matches the rounds/shells fired from the scene. And anyone with half a brain that looked at Luigi's actual online reading history and thought process along with his back injury can easily tell that he's the guy with or without CCTV images from random stores.

Besides that, many of these internet investigators seem to have immense difficulty in understanding things like how focal length, white balance, lens/image distortion and poorly configured CCTV cameras or compression artifacts can create anomalies in images.

Whenever the court case happens I am doubtful that these CCTV images are even going to factor much at all - they supposedly have him with the gun, having recently departed a greyhound bus and they're probably not going to waste time including this sort of stuff.
 
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#FreeRoss said:
I have been thinking about this recently. Would Luigi Mangione have so many supporters if he were a fat neckbeard?
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No. Honestly was surprised when this nigga was caught. Also when are radicalized morons gonna start seeing this as cool instead of shooting up schools? What the fuck do you accomplish shooting up elementary schools or grocery stores? People are gonna forget about you in five seconds.
 
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@neger psykolog

I've been thinking about this, and ultimately I fall on the side that the message would be far more prominent if Luigi was never identified, for multitude of reasons.

I remember in the very early days of this event, when all the fanart and social media posting was focused on the action - yes, people were fascinated with the Adjuster, but what made his image powerful was how vague it was. All we knew was that he was a young man with a pretty smile that shot a CEO for unknown reasons. The image paired with the action was the perfect combination of personalisation and mystery to crystallise and form the image of a folk hero. In this very thread a lot of Kiwis shared their experiences with the US healthcare system and what the assassination meant to them. Luigi's identification has muddied the waters immensely, because as far as we know he is a very well-off young man with no negative experiences with UHC in particular, hasn't lost anyone to the healthcare industry that we know of, and lacks any discernible motive. We know from Luigi's digital footprint that he was concerned with declining masculinity and greatness in males, so perhaps he saw killing a parasite like BT as a manly thing to do. While the impulse is noble, the action seems more self-focused when framed in that light, especially as Luigi hasn't been given the chance to give his side of the story. The original motivation we all prescribed to the Adjuster, that he was avenging a loved one who died an untimely death, seems more romantic and heroic in comparison.

Because that original rush of excitement and theorising was dashed upon Luigi's arrest, it was replaced with thirsting over his attractiveness and a dissection of personal life. That lends very well to Internet slacktivism as media technologies don't encourage depth of thought, and are created by the very systems these "revolutionaries" claim to be so against in the first place.
 
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The Crescent King said:
@neger psykolog

I've been thinking about this, and ultimately I fall on the side that the message would be far more prominent if Luigi was never identified, for multitude of reasons.

I remember in the very early days of this event, when all the fanart and social media posting was focused on the action - yes, people were fascinated with the Adjuster, but what made his image powerful was how vague it was. All we knew was that he was a young man with a pretty smile that shot a CEO for unknown reasons. The image paired with the action was the perfect combination of personalisation and mystery to crystallise and form the image of a folk hero. In this very thread a lot of Kiwis shared their experiences with the US healthcare system and what the assassination meant to them. Luigi's identification has muddied the waters immensely, because as far as we know he is a very well-off young man with no negative experiences with UHC in particular, hasn't lost anyone we know to the healthcare industry that we know of, and lacks any discernible motive. We know from Luigi's digital footprint that he was concerned with declining masculinity and greatness in males, so perhaps he saw killing a parasite like BT as a noble thing to do. While the impulse is noble, the action seems more self-focused when framed in that light, especially as Luigi hasn't been given his chance to give his side of the story. The original motivation we all prescribed to the Adjuster, that he was avenging a loved one who died an untimely death, seems more romantic and heroic in comparison.

Because that original rush of excitement and theorising was dashed upon Luigi's arrest, it was replaced with thirsting over his attractiveness and a dissection of personal life. That lends very well to Internet slacktivism as media technologies don't encourage depth of thought, and are created by the very systems these "revolutionaries" claim to be so against in the first place.
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I agree with you but it's really difficult to predict, without Luigi being identified it could've just as easily devolved into conspiracy theories about the deep state or someone at UnitedHealth or a competitor having hired a hitman or any number of things. The narrative that gets cemented is difficult to predict and if even circumstantial or blatantly incorrect evidence had painted a picture of the shooter being a literal mercenary/killer for hire then the impact on healthcare may have been quite muted.

(and very obviously it would've been in the best financial/survival interest of the healthcare industry and it's shareholders to not turn said "unidentified shooter" into a folk hero and try to paint an alternative story about him being a mercenary or affiliated with organized crime somehow)

What can definitely be shown is that since this event/shooting happened, gayops by health insurance companies and the healthcare industry in general have been getting a lot more prominent negative attention than I've ever seen before - there were always sad/sob stories about grandma getting rejected for her 3rd pacemaker battery replacement and shit like that as well as Gofundmes for people that had been fucked over or were just shit out of luck for whatever reason, but Luigi's actions very clearly upped the ante in a way that brought discussion about healthcare to prominence...

Although to be clear there were always journalists and reporters doing exposes and uncovering scammy, corrupt and malicious shit these companies were doing way before Luigi came around. It just feels that post-Luigi people are actually reading and paying attention to them more (but that kind of claim is a bit hard to factually quantify, so I'll say its more just a "feeling").

The Crescent King said:
Because that original rush of excitement and theorising was dashed upon Luigi's arrest, it was replaced with thirsting over his attractiveness and a dissection of personal life. That lends very well to Internet slacktivism as media technologies don't encourage depth of thought, and are created by the very systems these "revolutionaries" claim to be so against in the first place.
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This isn't technically true - I think your vision is clouded by the pretty niche true crime/school shooter fandoms (though this isn't the same, it has some similarities). When it comes to some random person on the street they may be entirely unfamiliar with the thirsting that has followed Luigi. Younger generations are more likely to be aware of it - but since they have some exposure to true crime/school shooter-esque fandoms they may not see it as something that clouds their judgement of what his actions were.

Younger people are probably way more familiar with the idea that basically anyone who is famous or a celebrity will have people sexually fantasizing about them or "shipping" them with other people. Young people live in a world where in high school one of their classmates had her booby pictures shared around with everyone.
 
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Helvetia said:
I mean, just look at the way we reacted vs TikTok. We had archives of everything the moment they started trying to lock shit down, fatties cried into the camera to a Megan Thee Stallion song. They broadcast their stupidity and probably lead to some very nasty social footprint reports when they actually try and apply for a real job.
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We holier-than-thou kiwis are not like those evil TikTokers supporting a murderer; We kiwis are actually better because we archive posts supporting a murderer. Big difference, apparently.
 
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#FreeRoss said:
I said, We, as in you, I strongly oppose Luigi Mangione. So my post was making fun of his supporters and KiwiFarmers thinking they are superior to other websites.
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Can I get a free Ross with the purchase of an equal or greater Ross?
 
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I said, We, as in you, I strongly oppose Luigi Mangione. So my post was making fun of his supporters and KiwiFarmers thinking they are superior to other websites.
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You don't have to keep trying, I'm not going to send you bobs and vagena.

Also yes, my statement on closer reading was weirdly worded and wrong, I was high. The fact I was able to put fingers to keys to write that is truly a marvel.
 
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It's interesting how the support for this case went. Starting with the more romantic "unknown killer" phase when a lot of people supported it for the corruption of Insurance sector. As time went on those people stopped latching on to it and passed to the next controversy. With the gap being filled with thirstposters who also started moving on besides some core delusionals.

Nowadays even the meme of "We need a Luigi" became dead, and it's mired in a doublethink of Luigi being both guilty but needing to be innocent because of a literal "he meant to do good" or some inconsistency stemming from early deluge of information.

Of course the Insurance landscape hasn't changed in a meaningful way besides some billionaires losing/gaining some small fraction of their money. No copycats ever materialized because people who post online never do shit.

It would have been interesting what if the guy was Quasimodo looking motherfucker. Would that have created more copycats or at least longer public support?
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Nowadays even the meme of "We need a Luigi" became dead, and it's mired in a doublethink of Luigi being both guilty but needing to be innocent because of a literal "he meant to do good" or some inconsistency stemming from early deluge of information.

Of course the Insurance landscape hasn't changed in a meaningful way besides some billionaires losing/gaining some small fraction of their money. No copycats ever materialized because people who post online never do shit.
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It's way, way too soon to tell with a lot of what you're saying and claiming here.

I know people's sense of time is fucked in general nowadays but it has literally only been 74 (yes, seventy four) days since the shooting occurred. Not even a complete financial quarter has passed.

You're basing the idea that "we need a luigi" is dead based on the lifecycle of typical internet memes, but this really isn't one and it's going to take a while to see how things play out.

You also need to keep in mind that this was a literal black swan event: "a high-impact event that is difficult to predict under normal circumstances but that in retrospect appears to have been inevitable".

You're gonna need to be a lot more patient before claiming it didn't have an impact - there were audio clips of idiot CEOs saying really dumb shit like the below clip where the Nestle CEO infamously said something along the lines of "access to water isn't a human right" in 2005:

That shit caused a decent amount of outrage at the time and clip still gets circulated from time to time. That was 20 years ago. This is now. The question has now become, the next time an out of touch CEO puts their foot in their mouth what is going to happen (and it isn't a question that just pertains to the healthcare industry).
 
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neger psykolog said:
It's way, way too soon to tell with a lot of what you're saying and claiming here.

I know people's sense of time is fucked in general nowadays but it has literally only been 74 (yes, seventy four) days since the shooting occurred. Not even a complete financial quarter has passed.

You're basing the idea that "we need a luigi" is dead based on the lifecycle of typical internet memes, but this really isn't one and it's going to take a while to see how things play out.

You also need to keep in mind that this was a literal black swan event: "a high-impact event that is difficult to predict under normal circumstances but that in retrospect appears to have been inevitable".

You're gonna need to be a lot more patient before claiming it didn't have an impact - there were audio clips of idiot CEOs saying really dumb shit like the below clip where the Nestle CEO infamously said something along the lines of "access to water isn't a human right" in 2005:

That shit caused a decent amount of outrage at the time and clip still gets circulated from time to time. That was 20 years ago. This is now. The question has now become, the next time an out of touch CEO puts their foot in their mouth what is going to happen (and it isn't a question that just pertains to the healthcare industry).
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74 days is forever in political terms. If the subject of Insurers left the political sphere then the chance is gone, similar to how every riot that doesn't have results might as well didn't exist (British, Canadian Truckers...).

Without political change there's the question of if Insurers improved coverage and service quality which I doubt has happened in any meaningful way.

So what's left? United losing money over the aired bad press? It would just be the usual "don't be involved with controversy". You can't even use the assassination video to prove a point.

We're just waiting for the jail sentence with some cope that the guy getting life would make someone do a fedpost. I also heavily doubt Trump would give a parole to the person after also being nearly killed by an assassin.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
74 days is forever in political terms. If the subject of Insurers left the political sphere then the chance is gone, similar to how every riot that doesn't have results might as well didn't exist (British, Canadian Truckers...).
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Not everything moves according to political schedules and copycats don't materialize with regularity or predictability as you may like.
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Without political change there's the question of if Insurers improved coverage and service quality which I doubt has happened in any meaningful way.

So what's left? United losing money over the aired bad press? It would just be the usual "don't be involved with controversy". You can't even use the assassination video to prove a point.

We're just waiting for the jail sentence with some cope that the guy getting life would make someone do a fedpost. I also heavily doubt Trump would give a parole to the person after also being nearly killed by an assassin.
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What remains is the average rhetoric/tone used online - things can reach a boiling point after something like this and stuff can happen that is very hard to predict.
 
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74 days is forever in political terms.
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The Liberal politician Joseph Chamberlain is recorded in 1886 as having said: ‘In politics, there is no use in looking beyond the next fortnight.’

I hope we can all agree in this thread that nothing will directly change because of Luigi, except more money spent on security. Western politics, especially the United States, is slow to react to reactionaries, and with (essentially) a CEO as the president, Luigi will be held as an example. He might even get the death penalty, just to show "you fuck with us, we fuck with you", Trump made it easier for Luigi to be given the penalty. (source)

Luigi was pro RFK Jr. (source), I don't know a lot about the man, and I don't want to come in with a half-baked opinion. Still, if he can get in the ear of Trump regarding Doctor scepticism and freedom of choice, then maybe America will end up with a Swiss-style system where the onus is on you to find a doctor that you're comfortable with. The insurance just pays without pre-approval and networks and bullshit like that.

But, either way, Luigi will not be the cause. He might be the mildest catalyst. He's a symptom of a sick system.

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What remains is the average rhetoric/tone used online - things can reach a boiling point after something like this and stuff can happen that is very hard to predict.
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Trannies are in a love-hate with Luigi because UHC was pro-trans whereas he was also based for killing a CEO. Trannies are the loudest voices on the internet, which is probably why it feels so confused.

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Titled “Writings of Alleged Perpetrator of UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting Reveal Grievances Against Health Insurance Company, Disdain for Corporate Greed,” the intelligence report reads:

Based on a review of the hand-written claim of responsibility and social media presence of Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the UnitedHealthcare (UHC) CEO shooting, the NYPD Intelligence & Counterterrorism Bureau (ICB) assesses that the alleged perpetrator was likely driven to violence on the basis of grievances against what he perceives as a "parasitic" health insurance company and industry as a whole, as well as broader objections to corporate greed and a concern for modern society. He appeared to view the targeted killing of the company’s highest-ranking representative as a symbolic takedown and a direct challenge to its alleged corruption and "power games,” asserting in his note he is the “first to face it with such brutal honesty.” Mangione may have found inspiration in Ted Kaczynski — the violent, anti-technology extremist known as the Unabomber — echoing in his note and reflecting in his targeting a similar mindset of the need for unilateral action to bring attention to abusive corporate actions. Based on observed initial online reactions to the shooting, including celebrations of the killing of a health insurance executive and encouragement of targeting leaders across industries, there is a risk that a wide range of extremists may view Mangione as a martyr and an example to follow.

Within the three-page handwritten claim of responsibility on his person, Mangione wrote, “Frankly these parasites simply had it coming." presumably referring to the UHC CEO and/or similar executives. He lamented that the US has the "most expensive healthcare system in the world" yet "ranks #42 in life expectancy," noting that the profits of major corporations continue to rise while "our life expectancy" does not. He declared that these "mafiosa have gotten too powerful” and "continue to abuse our country for immense profit." He stated that, while many have “illuminated” this “corruption and greed decades ago," the issues persist. In a statement signifying that he likely views himself as a hero of sorts who has finally decided to act upon such injustices, he noted, “Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

“We assess that violent attacks on business leaders globally will almost certainly remain extremely rare in coming years…While left- and right-wing groups have praised the murder, almost all anti-corporate activists seem intent on nonviolent forms of protest, such as staging demonstrations or verbally confronting executives.”

 
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Helvetia said:
I hope we can all agree in this thread that nothing will directly change because of Luigi, except more money spent on security.
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I'm not sure if things will change directly because of him, but they are most likely going to change. There's a sort of balance that has skewed too much.

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Trannies are in a love-hate with Luigi because UHC was pro-trans whereas he was also based for killing a CEO. Trannies are the loudest voices on the internet, which is probably why it feels so confused.
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I didn't mean rhetoric specifically about Luigi or even UHC. I meant rhetoric about everyone & everything. As an example: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/community-feature-submissions.114933/post-20605102
Anyone who has been on the internet for a long time and can read the room will have seen have seen that rhetoric has only ever become more and more heated. "in minecraft" became a thing for a while, then it was "fedposting" and now... now people are starting to be increasingly open with what they want to say, they don't even really "want to say" it anymore, they're just starting to say it all. There's rarely a few days that go by nowadays without yet another online eceleb is basically indirectly saying that "x person should be shot".

Compare that to the same thing said 10 years ago and it would've gotten huge amounts of press and apologies would've been rolled out. Now the world really is a very different place.
 
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He's a symptom of a sick system.
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Ironically it's the education system and culture that birthed him. A person that was born with everything he needed, heck he could have probably used modern nepotism to join the company and actually change their systems. Instead he wasted his fortune for Logan Paul esque "do retarded things for likes".
 
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