Unpopular views about music

Rick Nekieta said:
I was going to counter with "Reba is lionizing her degenerates, whereas outlaw country didn't lionize outlaws", but that kind of fell apart before my fingers even hit the keyboard. Point taken.
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However, he also rues his decision to shoot that man down, if for no other reason than spending years in prison and knowing he'll never be free again and being tortured by seeing those trains going away from Folsom.
 
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William Murderface said:
However, he also rues his decision to shoot that man down, if for no other reason than spending years in prison and knowing he'll never be free again and being tortured by seeing those trains going away from Folsom.
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Johnny Cash, though, had a brand of Christianity that was heavy on repentance, that's exactly why he went to Folsom Prison to sing to the inmates. He believed in true redemption.
 
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Rick Nekieta said:
First, the prostitute apologetics of teenage prostitution contained in "Fancy" speak for themselves and are disgusting in their own right. Second, the protagonist of "Night the Lights Went Out In Georgia" allowed her own brother to die for a crime of which SHE was guilty. What the fuck is going on with Reba McEntire?
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I suspect the judge wasn't going to let her brother off no matter how innocent he was. He was a dead man as soon as the cops picked him up. All that was left for little sister to do at that point was start stacking bodies of those she thought had a hand in it (his wife, the sheriff, the judge).

Also, Fancy seems to be more about how a girl with zero chances in life managed to become a success, even if it meant she had to work on her back to do it. It's a theme in history.
 
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William Murderface said:
I suspect the judge wasn't going to let her brother off no matter how innocent he was. He was a dead man as soon as the cops picked him up. All that was left for little sister to do at that point was start stacking bodies of those she thought had a hand in it (his wife, the sheriff, the judge).

Also, Fancy seems to be more about how a girl with zero chances in life managed to become a success, even if it meant she had to work on her back to do it. It's a theme in history.
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The sheriff and the judge (or the backwards southern lawyer) were not punished. The tracks and the corpses preceded Andy's entrance onto the scene. Killing her brother's unfaithful wife and her lover didn't undo the infidelity and now he had MORE problems than before. At least if he had been the one to do it, he would have had the satisfaction of dying for HIS revenge, which he had ultimately decided to be more important than his future. He was in a position to have a future without a revenge or a revenge without a future, but she changed the scenario to one where he had neither (he had the outcome of a revenge, but not the satisfaction of doing it himself, "just" the culpability as if he had.

The reason they hung an innocent man is because the guilty party elected him to take the blame, which is our protagonist. The tragedy would be sympathetic to our protagonist if she confessed and were not taken seriously. We know this didn't happen because her brother's wife was never found, which would have been information available to them if she had confessed.

If anything, Andy's immediate desire to flag down Law Enforcement implies he had only intended to use the gun as a means of intimidation to force a liar to tell the truth and get himself emotional closure. Any way you look at it, the good guys lost.
 
Rick Nekieta said:
The sheriff and the judge (or the backwards southern lawyer) were not punished. The tracks and the corpses preceded Andy's entrance onto the scene. Killing her brother's unfaithful wife and her lover didn't undo the infidelity and now he had MORE problems than before. At least if he had been the one to do it, he would have had the satisfaction of dying for HIS revenge, which he had ultimately decided to be more important than his future. He was in a position to have a future without a revenge or a revenge without a future, but she changed the scenario to one where he had neither (he had the outcome of a revenge, but not the satisfaction of doing it himself, "just" the culpability as if he had.

The reason they hung an innocent man is because the guilty party elected him to take the blame, which is our protagonist. The tragedy would be sympathetic to our protagonist if she confessed and were not taken seriously. We know this didn't happen because her brother's wife was never found, which would have been information available to them if she had confessed.

If anything, Andy's immediate desire to flag down Law Enforcement implies he had only intended to use the gun as a means of intimidation to force a liar to tell the truth and get himself emotional closure. Any way you look at it, the good guys lost.
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Fair enough, but the lyrics clear up one point:

Well, they hung my brother before I could say
"The tracks he saw while on his way
To Andy's house and back that night were mine"


So she disappeared the cheating whore of a sister-in-law, Brother gets caught, tried, convicted, and ends up on the rope before Sister can admit to the crime.

I will admit it has been some time since I heard either version of the song (Vicki's or Reba's) so I totally blew that one. Mea culpa.
 
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William Murderface said:
Fair enough, but the lyrics clear up one point:

Well, they hung my brother before I could say
"The tracks he saw while on his way
To Andy's house and back that night were mine"


So she disappeared the cheating whore of a sister-in-law, Brother gets caught, tried, convicted, and ends up on the rope before Sister can admit to the crime.

I will admit it has been some time since I heard either version of the song (Vicki's or Reba's) so I totally blew that one. Mea culpa.
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I will concede two points

a) I hadn't considered the idea of the wheels of the law going so fast that that the sister couldn't have stopped it (rejected confession on Tuesday, hanging on Friday scenario)
b) My fundamental gripe about a country song containing an element of tragedy is rather backwards to begin with.

In conclusion, I don't think I thought this one all the way through.
 
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Rick Nekieta said:
For the record, I LOVE outlaw country, it is my favorite genre alongside 80s hair metal and power ballads. I am not dissing the message of outlaw country. I just had a random thought earlier today and decided to air my grievance on the farms rather than keep it to myself like a mature adult.
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And you should, let me hug you bro. I am gonna cry when Willie dies. He can't even smoke weed any more. I intended no criticism.
 
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I just confused myself by asking myself the question whether I like "Amanda" by Waylon or "Amanda" by Boston more. Both of these songs are 10/10 bangers.
 
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Cosplay Girlfriend said:
The singles are almost always better than the rest of the album, that's why they're the singles. Unless you have the rare album with no bad tracks or one that has a bunch of deep cuts, otherwise the rule stands.
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I find it's often the opposite with "perfect" albums. The singles are what got the actual album sold but are dumbed down versions of the band's actual greatness. Blue Oyster Cult would be an example of this. The singles are good and there are a few real bangers, but they're really dumbed down and the real core of their music is in the cryptic lore shit.
 
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Might be better suited to the guitar thread but whatever.

I hate all this digital amp shit. These glorified emulators. It's lead to bands all sounding the fucking same, which is brutal considering its always the bands where the music is the draw and not the singer. I dont care how great your fucking sweeps are or how gnarly your bassist is when they sound like literally every other player on youtube or soundcloud.
I've heard more unique tones and sounds coming from 13 year olds fucking around with tube amps in Guitar Center the last 10 years than I have from any band or solo artist. It's to a point I'm unironically nostalgic for shitty modeling amps like Line-6 Spiders and Fender Mustangs.

Also fuck all these guitar players who literally can't even play their own shit, so they have to splice takes together. If you do this, you're a hack. Either write shit you can actually play, or practice it to the point you can actually play it for the recording. I can tell when you're splicing, especially in videos, and it's pathetic. It's guitar player autotune and you don't deserve respect.
 
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Deadly Nightshade said:
I love new wave/synthpop Ministry more than industrial metal Ministry. Granted, I like some of their heavier songs and their Filth Pig album but that’s my limit for the time being. Not to mention Uncle Al was once a sexy man back then.

Although, I’m honestly worried about how the remastered version of With Sympathy will sound like; I’ve seen the Cruel World footage and was not a fan. I can only hope it doesn’t sound like Lacuna Coil’s Comalies 2.0, the original was perfect without the generic blast beats and Cookie Monster vocals they currently use for ‘modernity’ reasons.

I hope Uncle Al releases those final two albums he promised before they deport his ass back to Cuba.
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Don't really care for With Sympathy, but Twitch is one of my favorite albums in the Ministry catalog and surprised the fuck out of me when I finally listened to it. Probably helps that Jourgensen actually had creative control on the album where he had damn near zero on With Sympathy according to his biography and is why he disowned that album for so long. As for the remaster for With Sympathy, it'll be hard to say how that'll come out. Won't be shocked if he sticks to his modern industrial metal sound, but then again he did do a modest rerecording of "Everyday Is Halloween" for Youtube (yes, I know he did an industrial metal version of it too. The Youtube version is the better rerecording, even for this metalhead) and didn't alter "I'd Do Anything For You" when he finally released that cut track.

If I can get the time off, I might check out his new tour since he's just performing tracks off of With Sympathy and Twitch.
 
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AnOminous said:
Johnny Cash, though, had a brand of Christianity that was heavy on repentance, that's exactly why he went to Folsom Prison to sing to the inmates. He believed in true redemption.
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I think that is a very interesting point you made. You can also see his belief in redemption in the song Man in Black, where he sings the line.
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime
But is there because he's a victim of the time
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It's interesting to read about outlaw country's left-wing anti-establishment themes. I have read that Johnny Cash and the rest of the Highwaymen hated the stuck-up conservative viewpoints of Nashville, so they sang about more liberal topics like marijuana, helping the poor, etc. The aforementioned man in black was made after Richard Nixon asked Johnny to make a song bashing the Vietnam protesters, only for him to make an anti-war song instead.

It's cool to see someone on the left who was an actual outlaw instead of the fake astroturfed rebellions we see on the modern-day political left. Country music is generally thought of as conservative, but Johnny Cash and other outlaw country artists rebelled against the Nashville establishment in a time when it was unpopular to do so; compare this to modern-day country singers who will post a Black Lives Matter logo on Instagram or come out as gay in a time when it's safe to do so and call it rebellious, or even worse, will make terrible protest songs like "highway women"
 
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It's Time by Imagine Dragons is so down syndrome motivation.
 
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