Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

New Perun video on Russian recruitment and casualties:

Much of it is devoted to the notoriously difficult topic of estimating Russian casualties, both across different categories, time periods, and age brackets, and in total. In the course of getting there, he goes over the history of Russian soldier "inflows" (as he puts it) since the start of the invasion, which will be mostly familiar to people following the war.

Towards the end, he mentions a curious recent surge in military contracts signed, and speculates it's because many Russians believe the war will end soon with Trump working out a deal, and figure they can pocket the sign-up bonus and be home again in a couple of months. If so, I don't share these contract soldiers' optimism, nor does Perun.
 
Why would you want for a union of countries that is economically and militarily subjugated by you to build an independent army? It took much effort and resources to make Europe wholly dependent on the USA and it is not in your best interest to reverse that. A reliant EU without any military aspirations should be most desirable for US' foreign policy because it only strengthens your hegemony. Why risk giving rise to a geopolitical rival again after the mistakes you made with China? Anyways, American isolationism is retarded and MacArthur had the right idea of how foreign policy should look like.
So, they can defend themselves. Simple as. Defending Europe is a financial strain on the US. The US isn't going to be able to afford it forever. People are getting sick and tired of paying to defend Europe while they retire earlier than Americans and get more vacation time and have better social programs. All this while Europeans act like faggots and treat America with disrespect.

Gee, I wonder why Americans don't want to pay for Europe's defense anymore.
I see that the MAGA cultists are still shitting up the thread with their retardation, since they cannot cope with how obviously incompetent and America-harming their Dear Leader is acting.
Yes, the president with the most pro America platform in decade is harming the US so much.

Nice broke brain take. How long did it take you think that up? LOL

Expecting the Euro fags to keep up a measly 2% of their GDP on defense funding. How awful.
 
That the Soviets were never really a threat. Here the Russians are in Ukraine and they can't even take the country. Even before they received a bunch of modern western weapons the Russians were being pushed back with just the old Soviet stuff the Ukrainians have had for decades. The US basically has no real enemies that are a true threat.
This is madness. Russia has like 10,000 nuclear warheads.
You, and people I've read on the Internet, seem to be working yourselves up to saying America shouldn't be in NATO, shouldn't defend Europe at all, even were they to increase their defense spending.
I don't recall now what was said about why the war's front is where it's at -- I think something about overextending -- but Russia had the same old Soviet stuff Ukraine had, and much more of it, which you didn't mention, so that shows the reason for any "being pushed back" wasn't a simple one.
The attacks by Ukraine on Russia's supplies of oil and ammo shows that's what they think is the way to keep from being defeated. If Russia is given a pause to rearm and resupply, Russia becomes a conventional military threat to Europe again, even without considering nuclear weapons.
 
IF we're going back to 90s, then yeah both Bush Sr and Clinton are to be blamed but more so for doing nothing as opposed to spreading their asshole to Russia (hello germany), Not only Chechnya but Bush Sr also didnt give a fuck about Russia stirring up shit in Azerbaijan/Armenia, Starting a coup in Georgia (Bush actually supported this lol), and Russia starting - sorry i mean "supporting" - 3 separatist movements in Trannystria, Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Can't be too harsh, the entire world fell for the "End of History" meme, its just that Europe fell for it the hardest.
I sort of stop the blame at Clinton because that is the earliest there is overlap with Putin; I mean you could blame Woodrow for not invading Russia when they went commie, blame Truman for not rearming germany to go stomp the commie fucks, Regan for not actually signing that legislation, etc. I sort of give the EU/US a pass on going nearly hands off post-USSR break up because they a) didn't understand the situation and B) didn't want Russia to chimp out and start tossing nukes. And we only really know that was stuff that needed to be stopped via hindsight.

Also, The first Chechen war I don't think was modern Russian geopolitik - that was Russia trying to not lose yet another oil field. The second chechen war is when the skullduggery started.

the Second Chechen war, even though Putim didn't start it (though it wouldn't shock me if he came up with the idea for the false flag), that is where Putin started to get the ideas that he put into play in Georgia. The weak response to Georgia is where Putin realized he could get away with what he did in 2014 with Ukraine, and 2014's anemic response made him think he could get away with just rolling steel in 2022.
And while its mainly France's fault, I do blame Dubya for doing Georgia dirty by standing by and letting France fuck them over after they signed on to help in Iraq when they really didn't have to by any stretch.
 
Who is this even addressed to? Is it a memo to yourself?
People who are dissatisfied with the thread being shit up.
You'd be surprised how many users don't know that even features in the post UI exist, let alone more hidden ones.

I filtered out the MAGA spammers days ago, and they're still copy pasting their garbage. Absolutely the right decision to make if you value your time. Since they don't contribute anything to the thread topic, you're not missing out on any worthwhile information.
 
So, they can defend themselves. Simple as. Defending Europe is a financial strain on the US. The US isn't going to be able to afford it forever. People are getting sick and tired of paying to defend Europe while they retire earlier than Americans and get more vacation time and have better social programs. All this while Europeans act like faggots and treat America with disrespect.
If the EU creates a strong military independent of the US, it will naturally push for more autonomy and develop aspirations of expanding its sphere of influence outside the continent. This will undermine the global power structure that currently strongly favors the US. As a hegemon, you win more resources and power by dominating the EU completely rather than allowing them to become another rival to your power. If you don't want global hegemony and the privileges and responsibilities that come with it, just fucking admit it. You can't be a global hegemon while isolating yourself from the entire globe as you actively antagonize it and beg for someone to replace you. China and Russia are already attempting to do this, and you should not add the EU to that mix. They are currently a captive, highly-developed consumer market for the US which is entirely dependent on you in terms of the military and increasingly energy. Again, why would you antagonize your cash cow? Do you seriously think that the life quality in the US will improve if the EU and China deconstruct your hegemony and become independent powers that you just cannot fuck with without any consequence?
 
If the EU creates a strong military independent of the US, it will naturally push for more autonomy and develop aspirations of expanding its sphere of influence outside the continent. This will undermine the global power structure that currently strongly favors the US. As a hegemon, you win more resources and power by dominating the EU completely rather than allowing them to become another rival to your power. If you don't want global hegemony and the privileges and responsibilities that come with it, just fucking admit it. You can't be a global hegemon while isolating yourself from the entire globe as you actively antagonize it and beg for someone to replace you. China and Russia are already attempting to do this, and you should not add the EU to that mix. They are currently a captive, highly-developed consumer market for the US which is entirely dependent on you in terms of the military and increasingly energy. Again, why would you antagonize your cash cow? Do you seriously think that the life quality in the US will improve if the EU and China deconstruct your hegemony and become independent powers that you just cannot fuck with without any consequence?
I don't think "Europe" has the potential to become a military competitor to anyone in the mid to long term, because unlike the US or China, it's not a unitary power, but a loose collection of more than two dozen independent countries. The degree of cooperation and integration they achieved is unique in the world and downright miraculous, but I see no appetite to confederalize the continent, and without confederation, there's no way member countries will agree to hand over control over military or foreign policy off to other countries.
You also need to keep in mind the primacy of domestic politics over foreign ones. Electorates don't really understand or care about the mid term implication of international crisis, but they will absolutely vote for insane demagogues over a 2% tax increase. Even if not spending 200 billion now to fix a problem will mean they need to spend an additional 5 trillion over the next 20 years to manage it.

I think the most probable positive outcome is the formation of cooperative blocs within the EU for purposes of self-defense and some small scale interventions Europe's periphery.

I haven't read much of anything about Chinese goals in Europe, so I wonder whether they're making offers to build genuinely mutually beneficial relations, or only to divide the West, or both, or some other thing that doesn't occur to me.
I personally think Chinese expansion in the Far East is a bad thing overall, but I also think Europe has no way to meaningfully affect outcomes there, and should thus not alienate the Chinese over it.
I think Europe is a far more important partner for China than Russia is, but arguably a less reliable (due to free elections) and less comfortable (due to civil liberties) one.
China could be an interesting new partner for Europe if there was a way to bridge differences. I wonder to what degree those are caused by European alignment with the US anyway.
 
Do you seriously think that the life quality in the US will improve if the EU and China deconstruct your hegemony and become independent powers that you just cannot fuck with without any consequence?
Yes. because history shows when a nation commits itself to empire building its the plebians (me) who suffer for it. The people who truly benefit from having client states are almost always the wealthy and well-to-do. Rome is probably the best example of this phenomenon. Sure the empire afforded many luxuries for the patricians and land owners of Roman society, but Rome itself throughout its imperial era was a hotbed of economic inequality, with a large portion of its teeming masses dependant on bread doles and other forms of welfare. Economic niches that might have been taken up by these plebs were instead the realm of foreign slaves (Themselves a product of Rome's empire building) to the enrichment not of Rome but of Rome's elite.

As this pertains to the US, not having to spend our own money propping up these client states means we have more of it to invest in ourselves while also allowing us to divert military resources toward the pacific. Europe's dependency on foreign energy isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

Nations which dont meet the 2% gdp requirements should be subject to either taxation equal to 2% of their national GDP to be divided between the other members or expulsion from the organization.
 
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As this pertains to the US, not having to spend our own money propping up these client states means we have more of it to invest in ourselves
Do you really think America's oligarchs believe in such investment in their own people?
while also allowing us to divert military resources toward the pacific
America will have to divert even more military resources to contain China in the Pacific if BRICSters catch on that America will happily withdraw support from its own Euro allies, emboldening them.
I think the most probable positive outcome is the formation of cooperative blocs within the EU for purposes of self-defense and some small scale interventions Europe's periphery.
Germany is already there as a growing European military power:
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I don't think "Europe" has the potential to become a military competitor to anyone in the mid to long term, because unlike the US or China, it's not a unitary power, but a loose collection of more than two dozen independent countries. The degree of cooperation and integration they achieved is unique in the world and downright miraculous, but I see no appetite to confederalize the continent, and without confederation, there's no way member countries will agree to hand over control over military or foreign policy off to other countries.
I worded it poorly. The EU does not need to become an equal or even a proper rival to the US in order to push for increased autonomy and influence outside of its borders. Its member states such as France and Germany merely need a sufficient armed force to support their interests in the Global South. France already had such influence over West Africa, but its power has waned somewhat. Even if confederated, the EU would never match the military power of the US within our lifetimes, but it doesn't need to in order to undermine the hegemony of the US.

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Rome is probably the best example of this phenomenon.
Could you cunts show some interest in anything but Rome? Stop sucking off Gibbon and actually read a different book. Besides, living standards in the Western Roman Empire are believed to have decreased significantly as its power projection waned and the state neared its collapse. If you wanted high living standards and welfare for the American lumpenproletariat, you should've either stayed the undisputed hegemon or never became one at all.

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Nations which dont meet the 2% gdp requirements should be subject to either taxation equal to 2% of their national GDP to be divided between the other members or expulsion from the organization.
Also, most nations in the EU that matter except for Germany meet the required spending on military/defence. If you want to tax Luxemburg or Cyprus, be my guest. For the original source go to: https://eda.europa.eu/publications-and-data/defence-data

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That's 2023 data; Germany already is spending 2.12% (estimated) of its GDP on defense expenditure in 2024, see page 4, graph 4.
Thank you! I didn't bother to look up any more recent overview than the 2023 one on Wikipedia. I genuinely do not know what the argument of users like @The best and greatest is. Most of the EU already meets the requirements for defence spending. Is there anything concrete that you people actually want or do you just blindly suck the dicks of geriatric politicians and Soros/Thiel stooges?
 
Thank you! I didn't bother to look up any more recent overview than the 2023 one on Wikipedia. I genuinely do not know what the argument of users like @The best and greatest is. Most of the EU already meets the requirements for defence spending. Is there anything concrete that you people actually want or do you just blindly suck the dicks of geriatric politicians and Soros/Thiel stooges?
Somewhere on this website (perhaps this very thread) I recall a poster of good standing explaining how European nations are prone to cooking their books with regards to GDP spending. The explanation revolved around the example of Artillery shells that would be given to a country like Germany where through bureaucracy magic these shells would be moved around and then labeled as part of the country's GDP expenditure on defense. I can't recall where I saw this as it was a year ago and I'm not particularly interested in digging for it to win an argument but that's my understanding of how countries in the EU achieve their spending requirements, by cheating.

Also not to shift goalposts or anything but 2 percent is rookie numbers and the requirement should be higher imo(4-5%)
 
Somewhere on this website (perhaps this very thread) I recall a poster of good standing explaining how European nations are prone to cooking their books with regards to GDP spending.
Nigger, everyone cooks their books. I cook my fucking books. Learn how world works and stop moving goalposts like some fucking weasel.
 
People who are dissatisfied with the thread being shit up.
And these people, are they in the room with us right now? Because I don't make much use of the ignore function, so unless Fatpacks is posting up a storm, I don't see people aside from you having this complaint. I'm sure the Other Thread doesn't like this one, but they're separated for a reason, and their dislike isn't pertinent to the functioning of this thread.
 
Nigger, everyone cooks their books. I cook my fucking books. Learn how world works and stop moving goalposts like some fucking weasel.
Shhh. No need to go at each other. The 2 % guideline was not meet for too long. Dissatisfaction doesn't go away within one year. Some places in the US are devastating. It's little wonder people are upset. Costs are clearly visible. Benefits not so much.
That the US can force laws such as the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act upon the rest should be taken of note. Is that law benefical? I don't have a clue. But I bet it's makes tax evasion via Swiss bank accounts more difficult.

Infighting is gay while there are ziggers around.
 
Motorcycle meat-wave POV:

The site is uploading like garbage today, there are more complete videos of this action.

Comrades 4 lyfe:




The state of Russian logistics:



They attempt building their own Baba-Yaga:
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@Ghostse Woodrow Wilson did sent the U.S. Army to Russia as the American Expeditionary Force Siberia in 1918-1919. It have been largely forgotten to put it politely as TPTB memory-holed it since it was the prelude of the things to come for the rest of the 20th Century and the start of thd 21th. With the govt sending the military all over the world with undefined or no objectives told to them, and restrictive rules of engagement.
 
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Infighting is gay while there are ziggers around.
Bro specifically called me out because he didn't understand my reasoning and then gets mad when I explain my reasoning to him. 🤷‍♂️

Motorcycle meat-wave POV:

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The site is uploading like garbage today, there are more videos of this action.
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Motorcycles in warfare is pretty neat. Top tier aesthetically and also reminiscent of the Japanese using bicycles. Would be interesting to see if this goes anywhere post-war
 
Bro specifically called me out because he didn't understand my reasoning and then gets mad when I explain my reasoning to him. 🤷‍♂️


Motorcycles in warfare is pretty neat. Top tier aesthetically and also reminiscent of the Japanese using bicycles. Would be interesting to see if this goes anywhere post-war
This isn't new, the Iranians did it during the Iran-Iraq War
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