War ‘F--- Trump and his deal’: Ukraine’s US veterans rail against peace plan

US military volunteers fighting alongside Ukraine’s armed forces have branded President Donald Trump a “jackass” over his peace talks with Vladimir Putin, saying Ukraine’s future was not a “business deal”.

Hundreds of former US troops have fought on Kyiv’s side in the conflict over the last three years, following Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky’s creation of the International Legion at the start of the war.

Most have reacted furiously to the news last week of Mr Trump’s private phone call to Putin, in which he apparently ruled out Nato membership for Kyiv and conceded that Moscow could keep Ukrainian territory it has currently occupied.

“F--- Trump and his sh---- supposed peace deal,” said Ryan O’Leary, an Iraq war veteran who leads Chosen Company, one of the largest foreign volunteer units in Ukraine.

“Any peace deal is ultimately up to Ukrainians alone, who should be included directly in talks. Neither Trump nor his administration should have any say in how the war ends. Only the soldiers and the Ukrainian people should have that say, not some jackass and his jackass cabinet members sitting behind their white picket-fenced houses on a golf course.”

Ex-US soldiers are believed to make up the largest national contingent of Western military volunteers in Ukraine, at least 50 dying in combat and many more coming home seriously injured.

They regard Mr Trump’s concessions as squandering both their own military sacrifices and those of their Ukrainian comrades – a sentiment reflected in their distinctly undiplomatic language.

“Trump is a coward, sucking Putin’s d---,” said Charles Carter, another US volunteer, who previously served with America’s 101st Airborne Division.

He said he regretted that Mr Trump had not been shot dead by the assassin whose bullet nicked his ear during a campaign appearance last July.

“The fact that the bullet missed his f---ing face by only an inch is a worldwide travesty.”

The anger voiced by US volunteers reflects the wider split that the Ukraine war has caused within America’s military community, which traditionally leans Republican. Some have taken a hawkish attitude, regarding Putin’s aggression as a fundamental threat to global democratic values.

Others, including Mr Trump’s Vice-President JD Vance, a former US Marine, take an isolationist approach, regarding Ukraine as the kind of messy foreign war that America should no longer get embroiled in.

While neither the Biden nor the Trump administration has sanctioned US citizens going to fight in Ukraine, volunteers who have done so have often been vocal advocates for US support for Kyiv, appearing on TV shows and addressing US politicians in Washington DC.

Early last year Mr O’Leary, a former Iowa National Guardsman, visited Washington to implore pro-Trump Republican lawmakers to stop stalling a bill for a Biden administration weapons package for Ukraine.

Among the keenest US advocates for Kyiv’s cause is Alex Drueke, an Iraq veteran from Alabama, who was captured by Russian forces during his first mission as a volunteer in Ukraine in June 2022.

He spent nearly four months in captivity, during which time he was beaten repeatedly, subjected to torture by electric shock, and told he would be executed as a mercenary.

Since his release as part of a prisoner swap deal, he has given speeches to schools, community groups and policy forums, trying to convince Americans not to withdraw support for Kyiv.

Mr Drueke told The Telegraph that he was planning a series of public speeches marking the war’s third anniversary next Monday, in which he would take issue with Mr Trump’s actions.

“The world needs to be reminded that 50 per cent of us did not vote for this horrible man, who is not only destroying his country from within, but the world outside too,” he said.

“I fear he will demand a lot of concessions from Ukraine while demanding none from Russia, and there will be no security guarantees to stop Putin re-arming and invading again.”

He added: “My advice to Ukraine is to fight to the last woman and child, as Putin is going to wipe Ukraine off the map anyway. I say that, even if I have to go back and fight myself.”


source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...l-putin-us-military-volunteers-ukraine-peace/
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Isn't US basically paying for all the war? You do as your boss say and keep quiet.


Going to war as a mercenary used to be a somehow decent way of life though, but back in a time when we still considered honor a virtue.
I dunno about honor but it was certainly a good way to making a living. Mercenaries were more numerous than city/nation armies and basically a way of warfare in Italy at any given time after fall of Rome and establishment of Italian "nation."
 
I wonder how many war crimes these American expats committed in Iraq/Afghanistan and how many they are doing in Ukraine at the moment given how they seem to want to keep the carnage going just to sate their desire for said carnage
To be fair, the average psychopathic HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG TACTICOOL failperator tends to not last that long against a foe that has access to artillery and aircraft. So I honestly doubt they'd get close enough to those GODDANG RAGHEAD LOOKIN RUZZIAN TERRORIST GOATFUCKER COMMIES to canoe them in a fit of tard rage.
 
Trump is doing you and your Ukrainian buddies a big favor. Because otherwise the money is going to run out and the weapons are going to run out and Ukraine will end up with a far worse outcome than whatever is going to be negotiated now.
They are already getting a far worse outcome than whatever they were getting in Istanbul in March, 2022.
 
I don't want to see the US covering the check for a bunch of slavs either, but if you broker a peace with Putin today, how long does that give the Ukrainians until the next Russian oligarch king comes to shake them down? Ten years?
Don’t know, don’t care. If the Ukies had stopped bombing Russians in the East wanting to separate and inviting Western leaders to come rape their kids and put bio labs for corrupto-bucks maybe Russia would have stayed in Russia?
 
"Among the keenest US advocates for Kyiv’s cause is Alex Drueke, an Iraq veteran from Alabama, who was captured by Russian forces during his first mission as a volunteer in Ukraine in June 2022. He spent nearly four months in captivity, during which time he was beaten repeatedly, subjected to torture by electric shock, and told he would be executed as a mercenary."

If this is even true, this asshole should have known what he was signing up for. And if he did, he should STFU and accept that this is one of the possible consequences of his decision.

It's like a North Atlantic commercial fisherman suddenly shocked and outraged by the fact that he's gone overboard during a heavy storm.
 
Any peace deal is ultimately up to Ukrainians alone, who should be included directly in talks. Neither Trump nor his administration should have any say in how the war ends. Only the soldiers and the Ukrainian people should have that say, not some jackass and his jackass cabinet members sitting behind their white picket-fenced houses on a golf course.”
Then why are you there?
 
They regard Mr Trump’s concessions as squandering both their own military sacrifices and those of their Ukrainian comrades – a sentiment reflected in their distinctly undiplomatic language.
These mercs sacrificed their shit for nothing. it's true. It's like afghanistan and Iraq but at least we got tangible goods and tons of medical knowledge from those wars. What do you get dying for a corrupt, US aid laundering, weapons trafficking slav shithole like the ukraine?

To be fair, the average psychopathic HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG TACTICOOL failperator tends to not last that long against a foe that has access to artillery and aircraft.
if you read the spec ops thread in community, the high speed low drag guys tend to kill each other pretty well too. at least delta anyway.

He added: “My advice to Ukraine is to fight to the last woman and child, as Putin is going to wipe Ukraine off the map anyway. I say that, even if I have to go back and fight myself.”
is he going to support deporting ukrainians from the us and eu?
 
These mercs sacrificed their shit for nothing. it's true. It's like afghanistan and Iraq but at least we got tangible goods and tons of medical knowledge from those wars. What do you get dying for a corrupt, US aid laundering, weapons trafficking slav shithole like the ukraine?
Large deposit of rare earth
 
Large deposit of rare earth
that's what ukraine has, but will the US get any of it while the ukrainian government exists?

The people fighting get little if any tangible benefit from some corporations exploiting rare earth resources.
I doubt the ukrainian mercs are getting much warfighter experience either. are they coming up with anti-drone tactics?
 
They are already getting a far worse outcome than whatever they were getting in Istanbul in March, 2022.

As best anyone knows, that deal was:

1) Some form of Ukrainian Neutrality
2) Recognition of Russia's annexation of Crimea
3) Russian partial annexation of the two Donbas proveinces along the pre-war lines of control in the area,
4) Ukrainian recognition of Russian as an official language
5) Lifting of sanctions against Russia
6) Some form of controls extremist on groups in Ukraine

By rumors, Ukraine had agreed to 4-6. There was a path to getting to (1). But the sticking point was how to do 2-3. There were negotiations over creating a "lease" on Crimea for the Russians and solving the Donbas problems through some form of extreme autonomy which left them kind-of within Ukraine but not really.

Then Boris Johnson showed up on behalf of Biden and the others and told Zelensky to fight. They really thought at that time that they could decisively win.
 
“My advice to Ukraine is to fight to the last woman and child, as Putin is going to wipe Ukraine off the map anyway. I say that, even if I have to go back and fight myself.”
He has the same mindset as Japanese military officers who wanted to keep fighting WWII and staged a coup against their emperor.
 
FWIW these losers were so useless that Ukraine stopped general international recruitment to the legion and relegated them to areas where they could do the least damage. Think about that. A country with massive manpower issues fighting an existential war determined that these NAFO turds were actually doing more damage to the war effort than help and thanks but no thanks'd bringing any more of them over.

Imagine unleashing Reddit on a country and giving them guns and telling them they were fighting nazis. What you'd expect is what you got. Most were completely worthless main character syndrome bluesky types baggaged to the hilt with mental illnesses (both diagnosed and undiagnosed) and little life skills at all, let alone warfighting abilities. Then you had the scammers and grifters trying to build their social media brands by doing a tour in Ukraine. You also had a large contingent of vetbros from the GWOT that had no idea that warfare against an opponent that could actually fight back and have fire superiority would be dangerous and grimey as fuck. Riding around in a convoy with half the total ordanance of WW2 at your disposal to drop on any house or hut that you take sniper fire from did, surprisingly enough, not prepare them for modern warfare against a great power that the ability to employ that level of firepower against you. Most lasted a few weeks before finding an excuse to go home. Maybe 1% actually had the experience and skill and fortitude to be contributers. And Ukraine quickly realized it was better to just fold them directly into competent UK fighting units rather than waste them on the troonforce.

All in all it was basically CHAZ/CHOP faggotry redux. Everyone imagines their "contribution" will be sitting around holding queer poetry readings and dictating dogma while unnamed others do the gritwork to keep the machine going. These war tourists were as much of a laughing stock to Ukranians/Russians as they are to us.
 
Democrats have been screwing over the Ukrainians since Bill Clinton got them to give up their nuclear missiles. I assumed it would eventually go this way when Biden was poking Putin with a stick. Getting Ukraine to help him launder money and support his brain-damaged son with a job were just happy extras. I just didn't expect all this joyous schadenfreude.

It's like the end of Friday, except it's Ice Cube who gets gay raped while the 'Hood laughs at him.
 
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