Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Tub of Absinthe said:
SWIFT is owned by Euros right? How will Trump allow Russian banks to conduct international transactions then? Also, these talks of easing sanctions right after declaring that he will nuke BRICS from orbit if he has to are really interesting. Looks like the old plan of using Russia as an "ally" against China in the upcoming hybrid war is back on track? I wonder if the Russians are planning to play both sides here.
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The conclusion was the same: trump tries to pull russia away from its allies - china mainly.
 
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TexWiller said:
Finally freed from the oppression of cheap energy
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The same thing happened earlier when it was still connected to the Russian grid:


- Some industries are more sensitive to spot energy prices and halt temporarily when they're disadvantageous
- Spot prices for big, power hungry businesses fluctuate wildly, compared to what individual consumers are experiencing
- Which power grid they're connected to has only a secondary effect on these prices. Connecting to the EU grid means they have more options to buy and sell energy at opportune moments because the sources are more diversified, meaning they're isolated from shocks such as higher fossil fuel prices
- Estonia largely covers its own demand
 
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Procopius said:
This one's a few days old, but I've only just seen the film and it's incredible. On the 8th February, the Baltics disconnected from the Russian electricity grid and connected to the European one. Old news. But they held a special ceremony, complete with an appearance from Ursula von der Leyen, and she put a thirty minute version on her X feed. And it's like watching a modern day Nuremberg rally. Here's the last few minutes, complete with the specially composed music, and a quasi religious ritual where they all grab hold of neon tibes and perform some sort of jedi mind trick. I'm honestly not exagerating
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That's actually relatively tasteful, compare that to the satanic ceremonial opening of a tunnel in Switzerland
 
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Male Idiot said:
Putin would be a fool to get away from China at this point. Even if the Drumpferor keeps his word, who can predict in 4 years his successor won't just go -Oh that was the previous guy, here Ukraine some more guns!
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Why not both? Reopening US ties while keeping the current trade mix reduces the bargaining power of China and India so Russia can get a bigger cut of the arbitrage percentage that the middleman powers are making bank off of.
 
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Krokodil Overdose said:
Why not both? Reopening US ties while keeping the current trade mix reduces the bargaining power of China and India so Russia can get a bigger cut of the arbitrage percentage that the middleman powers are making bank off of.
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Because China is a more reliably ally than the burgers. There is no trusting the burger. Especially since Trump thinks tariffs are a hammer and everything is a nail.
 
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Male Idiot said:
Because China is a more reliably ally than the burgers. There is no trusting the burger. Especially since Trump thinks tariffs are a hammer and everything is a nail.
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Correct. Also, the last time burgers succeeded in pulling Russia away from China (Detente), the Russian state collapsed and burgers ruled the ruins like a colony.
 
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Just Some Other Guy said:
The only mention of Kursk I saw was in the other thread where copers somehow think an ever dwindling incursion will be used to trade for literally every piece of ground the Russians have and continue to take in Ukraine.
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Why is a few hundred square km of fields, some trenches and light forest but otherwise nothing at all of any value in negotiations?

The correct response to "we can give you kursk in exhange of ..." would be "no deal. you can keep that part of kursk if you want. and if you can hold it"
 
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Cuckoman said:
Why is a few hundred square km of fields, some trenches and light forest but otherwise nothing at all of any value in negotiations?

The correct response to "we can give you kursk in exhange of ..." would be "no deal. you can keep that part of kursk if you want. and if you can hold it"
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Because paradox games taught them that territory control = victory progress.
 
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Caligura said:
Can anyone drum up what is the map gonna look like after all this blows over?
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If Ukraine surrendered now Russia will annex all of Kherson, Zaporozhia, Lugansk, and Donetsk.
If they keep fighting then they might lose places like Chernigov, Dnipro or Odessa. The absolute worst scenario for them will see Russia take the entire coastline and leave Ukraine landlocked, either completely in Galicia or still based in Kiev, with the Dnieper serving as a natural border as it did during the days of the Commonwealth.
 
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