Pendulum Swing Watch 2025

[ZMOT]

That’s what agencies like the Consumer Protection Bureau are for.

asked null how that worked out

Look, if there really is some “bloat” as you say, indiscriminately axing at random is NOT the way to go about proper reform.

at some point it's faster and easier to knock it all down and rebuilt from scratch.

 

[AnOminous]

Pendulum swings suck. Pendulum swings are a law of nature. They take place over decades.

At a certain age, you realize all the panicking about them is bullshit, because you've seen them happen. It is never permanent "Nazis" or "Commies." It is just reactionary bullshit because whenever one "side" gets control it acts like it's permanent and nothing can ever undo it.

Then it gets out of hand and people get sick of it. And the other "side" takes it over.

This be zoomers.

First time?

 

[Jeff Gazetti]

at some point it's faster and easier to knock it all down and rebuilt from scratch.

I don’t think the Trump administration’s aim is reform. I think the goal is to just de regulate. I’m sure Musk and the other auto makers would love having the NHTSA not being able to mandate safety recalls.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Is Trump genuinely retarded?

"Yes let's appease this egomaniacal tyrant so that he maybe stops attacking Europe and sabotaging pretty please!"

He doesn't understand that Putin is a mad man that will not stop until Moscow is nuked.

Lmao. Even if any of that was true, why should Americans care about what happens to Europe? Fuck 'em.

Americans and Ukrainians shouldn't be going to war with Russia to keep fat gay Europeans safe from some imaginary Russian threat.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

The majority of us Zoomers are atheists.
Theistic belief is as an all time low with us and I imagine the generation that comes after will also follow through.

Maybe get data that isn't almost a decade old.

 

[DeusDry]

Truth is power. People don't care about what's true, they care about who has power. This is why you can point out basic truths again and again and not make any progress. Democracy is a farce.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

The majority of us Zoomers are atheists.

The majority of zoomers are not white and therefore not atheist.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

Maybe get data that isn't almost a decade old.

Atheists becoming religious almost never happens.

It's also really appearent that Zoomers are the least theistic generation, even theistic zoomers aren't all that religious.

The majority of zoomers is not white and therefore not atheist.

If non-whites have grown up and were raised in Western society, they are much more likely to become atheists.

This whole "non-whites are more religious" meme while probably will still be true is likely only by a short margin.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Atheists becoming religious almost never happens.

It's also really appearent that Zoomers are the least theistic generation, even theistic zoomers aren't all that religious.

Yeah the world population almost never gets forcibly shoved in their homes for a couple of years at threat of gunpoint. Using pre covid data to make point on the current day is retarded.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

Yeah the world population almost never gets forcibly shoved in their homes for a couple of years at threat of gunpoint. Using pre covid data to make point on the current day is retarded.

What the fuck does data on theistic beliefs of zoomers have anything to do with covid?

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

What the fuck does data on theistic beliefs of zoomers have anything to do with covid?

Many churches shut down during COVID, so if the only reason you are even a little religious is because your parents dragged you to church all the time you might have never gone back once churches opened back up again. For many (most?) zoomers they were still living at home with their parents during COVID.

A similar question could be asked regarding genderqueer shit - "Why are all these zoomers becoming queermosexual after being forced to stay home and only interact with ideas on social media?" The truth is what you think about shapes who you are in a lot of ways, and if you are prevented from thinking about something or encouraged to think about something else, who you "are" may change as a result.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

Many churches shut down during COVID, so if the only reason you are even a little religious is because your parents dragged you to church all the time you might have never gone back once churches opened back up again. For many (most?) zoomers they were still living at home with their parents during COVID.

A similar question could be asked regarding genderqueer shit - "Why are all these zoomers becoming queermosexual after being forced to stay home and only interact with ideas on social media?" The truth is what you think about shapes who you are in a lot of ways, and if you are prevented from thinking about something or encouraged to think about something else, who you "are" may change as a result.

There is data aside from churches.
Link/Archive

There is data not based on church attendence and before covid.

Not just that, if anything being forced to stay at home with Christian parents would only make them more Christian.

And from what I see from many zoomers my age, there is definitely a huge absence.
Even with Christian zoomers, they don't tend to be conservative like christian conservatives on Twitter would expect them to be.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

There is data not based on church attendence and before covid.

Of course, I think the point @Smashed & Slamed was making is that COVID/lockdowns were a pretty unprecedented societal force that changed a lot of stuff, and religiosity was likely affected by it.

Not just that, if anything being forced to stay at home with Christian parents would only make them more Christian.

On the other hand, it might make them hate Christianity even more if they hate that their parents were antivax because of Christian conspiracy theories. If being around Christians was all it took to become Christian yourself, society would be in a much better place but unfortunately a lot of kids go through an edgy atheist phase regardless of what happens in their lives. I know I did.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

If being around Christians was all it took to become Christian yourself, society would be in a much better place

That has been true for a long time.

Christianity was influential in western civilization for centuries. Yeah, society was Christian and because kids grew up in those Christian societies, they were Christian too. It was true for generations until the Millenials.
Zoomers are continuing that by at a faster rate and I imagine generation Alpha will easily follow.

but unfortunately a lot of kids go through an edgy atheist phase regardless of what happens in their lives. I know I did.

Not a lot.

Yes, I was one of those kids too.
I remember when I watched TJ Kirk, repzion and Darkmatter2525s atheist videos.
Those videos led me to believe that Christianity were the cause of every single problem in the world. But that wasn't the case for most Zoomer kids.

Thing is, most people who were watching those videos were millenial teens, not zoomer kids. Most zoomer kids were watching Annoying Orange and Fred. Atheism Plus was at its height when Zoomers were still in Elementary.

The vast majority of "zoomer atheists" didn't go through any "atheist phase." Many of them simply became atheist due to indifference to religion and seeing problems with the story of the bible. Atheist Zoomers simply don't care for religion, if you were to ask the average zoomer who Richard Dawkins was, they would go blank face on you.

And even the Christian Zoomers aren't really as Christian as previous generations. I only know of one genuine Christian my age who actually follows and reads the bible through and through. Most will at most put Christian text on their instagram pages meanwhile continuing to pop percs at strip clubs and hook up on snapchat.

 

[#FreeRoss]

I am seeing some talk about Zoomers and religion, so I thought I would chime in. I don't know if Christianity is in decline with Zoomers as much as that data suggests. This may be anecdotal, but there were several major Zoomer revival events on college campuses a few years back, so it might not be as great of a decline as you said. As far as Zoomers being atheists, I think, like you said, they didn't go through atheist phases. I was unique in that I did, and I watched atheist YouTubers, but most Zoomers probably just don't believe and at most watch atheist TikToks.

I think COVID is an interesting thing because I was basically in lockdown most of my life. It made me resent my mom and her form of Christianity. I grew up watching Joel Osteen and a lot of the sort of snake oil prosperity preaching, so after I revolted against my mom, I figured, Oh, if she lied to me about Santa and the Easter Bunny, why not religion? and then watched YouTube videos like those Sam Harris debate compilations, and it affirmed what I was thinking: if Christianity was so good, why is my mom such a hypocritical and terrible person? I thought my mom's horrible example of a Christianity represented Christianity as a whole when I couldn't be more wrong, so I think if you are stuck with Christian parents you hate, then you might revolt, but if you had good Christian parents, you might stay Christian.

After my atheist phase, to make a long story short, I started believing again and listening to Christian YouTubers, and very quickly I realized that my mom is basically what the Bible condemns. She's narcissistic, grudge-holding, almost never forgives, constantly envies others, lies, and she ran the family instead of putting my dad at the head of the household. She also cusses all the time, hates other people, etc. So I realized she didn't represent Christianity like I thought she did, and I was letting her bad example turn me away. when in reality she didn't represent Christianity at all. You can find bad apples in every religion, and she was like a rotten apple that I thought represented the fresh fruit that is Christianity. This is an issue that atheists use to justify their atheism: "My mommy was heckin abusive and a Christian; therefore, all Christians are bad." It's a stupid argument, and it's frustrating seeing people use it. The truth is most Christians are good, and narcissistic people don't represent Christianity properly.

So really, I should have never left the Christian faith in the first place. I think if my mom was good, I most likely never would have become an atheist or had that cringey phase of being a complete fedora-tipping atheist leftist, but instead of actually reading the Bible and taking us to church, Mom just taught me it's God when good things happen, when bad things happen, it's out of our control, and we are not allowed to question that fact or anything else about Christianity This poor theology and parenting made me an atheist, and I'm sure it made plenty of others leave the faith. If Christianity was just a free money hack and praying for good things to happen, why would I even care about it? If good things never happened to me, that would make her theology moot, but later I realized Christianity is not about only good things happening and praying for money.

so after all of this I eventually came back to faith. I don't go to church, so you are right that Zoomer Christians are not as devoted as past Christians were, but I am still somewhat of a religious guy. I know it's autistic that I used YouTube to watch stuff about religion rather than books, but it is what it is; I will eventually start reading books. Also, I have noticed on the topic of decline that YouTube's influence over the youth has massively declined. More people get information from TikTok and Twitter rather than YouTube now, So unlike millennials watching Amazing Atheist, Zoomers might watch a trad Christian TikTokers, but that's a different topic. On the topic of atheism, I have noticed many atheists also had bad Christian parents like myself. So I'm sure that plays a role in both Zoomers and millennials leaving Christianity.

TLDR: I don't think Zoomers are as atheistic as your poll suggests, and I am a former atheist Zoomer turned Christian. I also think parents can influence a child's religion based on how much a child likes their parent.

 

[Betonhaus]

That has been true for a long time.

Christianity was influential in western civilization for centuries. Yeah, society was Christian and because kids grew up in those Christian societies, they were Christian too. It was true for generations until the Millenials.
Zoomers are continuing that by at a faster rate and I imagine generation Alpha will easily follow.

Not a lot.

Yes, I was one of those kids too.
I remember when I watched TJ Kirk, repzion and Darkmatter2525s atheist videos.
Those videos led me to believe that Christianity were the cause of every single problem in the world. But that wasn't the case for most Zoomer kids.

Thing is, most people who were watching those videos were millenial teens, not zoomer kids. Most zoomer kids were watching Annoying Orange and Fred. Atheism Plus was at its height when Zoomers were still in Elementary.

The vast majority of "zoomer atheists" didn't go through any "atheist phase." Many of them simply became atheist due to indifference to religion and seeing problems with the story of the bible. Atheist Zoomers simply don't care for religion, if you were to ask the average zoomer who Richard Dawkins was, they would go blank face on you.

And even the Christian Zoomers aren't really as Christian as previous generations. I only know of one genuine Christian my age who actually follows and reads the bible through and through. Most will at most put Christian text on their instagram pages meanwhile continuing to pop percs at strip clubs and hook up on snapchat.

There might be a stage being set for a new religious faction to form out of this. If someone were to take the Christian bible and strip out the Jew worship and tie things to current understanding of physics, it may do well if it frames god as being able to act whenever there are odds or a chance.

 

[>IMPLYING]

The real issues one can observe in the origin of a lot of faiths have been exposed to more and more people for decades now, either as a sincere rebuke of the religion in question or a joke at its expense. I think even if you didn't follow a faith, having the faith being mocked and belittled is going to naturally devalue the valuable teachings and moral lessons within and people aren't going to appraise it as having worth. Maybe if Christianity stopped being the butt of a lot of jokes and was at least treated with a modicum of respect, younger people might see it was having a purpose. Maybe not convert outright but take into consideration the lessons that can be gleamed from it. When I was younger I did go through an absolutely insufferable phase as an atheist, even if I liked religion enough to take it on as a subject at college. But now, maybe influenced by my political leanings, I've come to value it - mostly Christianity - as being the bedrock to our morals, even if I don't believe in its divine inspiration. One need only look to other parts of the world where it was absent to see what became normalised within certain cultures to see the true value of Christianity.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

I figured, Oh, if she lied to me about Santa and the Easter Bunny, why not religion?

This is 100% the reason my wife and I decided not to do Santa or the Easter bunny. Children have implicit trust in their parents until they learn to not trust them. I'm not going to ruin my son's decision to choose Jesus because he can't trust anything I say. Some people are rabid about people like me "ruining a kids childhood" because we didn't do Santa. Ho ho ho