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Should be a wild four years.

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Glory to the United States of America.



Some quotes from George Washington for the occasion:
Unhappy it is though to reflect, that a Brother's Sword has been sheathed in a Brother's breast, and that, the once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with Blood, or Inhabited by Slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous Man hesitate in his choice?
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Every post is honorable in which a man can serve his country.
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" The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die. "
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If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war
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LiquidKid said:
Trump is only doing so well right now because he’s using the system exactly as it is currently written. If he undoes the term limits, we’d get situations like FDR the moment a Democrat gets back in office. Don’t forget, Obama was bitching about how he could have won a third term as he was walking out of the White House when Trump won in 2016.
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It depends on how you do it.
If the law is changed in the way a few Republicans have proposed, in that you're only barred from seeking more terms after two consecutive ones, I actually can't see it backfiring.
It would bar Obama from getting the chance to run again, and the only situation where somebody would even be able to take advantage of it would be rare ones like Trump's. Neither party would be stupid enough to intentionally give up Incumbent Advantage in the General Election to get the same guy more terms.

That said, I'm still not fond of the idea of Trump having a 3rd Term purely because I think he'll be far too old to be trusted with the job. I'm just explaining how a 3rd Term could happen without giving Obama any funny ideas.
 
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StudMccool said:
Its widely believed by historians this helped shortened the conflict my may years and stopping it becoming the first proto world war much like the Crimean War
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That's...not entirely accurate. Russia's diplomatic support definitely was a point against the UK and France getting involved in the conflict, but both of them had their own reasons for not doing so that weighed very strongly against the idea. The UK was opposed to the Confederacies embrace of chattal slavery, and were deeply concerned of the possibility the war could still not be won and put British North America (Canada) in jeopardy.

The French for their part were mucking around in Mexico, and even that was proving a headache. Russia viewed the situation in more broad stroke terms of wanting to shit in the Brit's cheerios by backing what at the time was one of Britain's most dangerous geo-strategic rivals. The UK and the USA prior to the civil war almost ended up in conflicts over a variety of different issues. Russia, who at the time was locked in a hegemonic contest with the UK saw the USA as a potential ally. But this alliance would be for fighting Britain, not the Confederacy. Russia's naval presence was a show of force, showing the Brits they had the capability to deploy militarily to the Western Hemisphere, but beyond that their presence was ceremonial and Russia never engaged in any of the hostilities.
 
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When George Washington fought in the French and Indian War, during the Battle of Monongahela, Washington miraculously survived without a wound- his horse was shot out from under him, and multiple bullets passed through his jacket, but Washington was untouched. Seeing this, the Indian Chieftain there prophesied that “he [George Washington] will become the chief of nations, and a people yet unborn, will hail him as the father of a mighty empire!”
 
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The Gene Genie said:
If they were complicit or actively involved in the fraud/moneystealing operation, why wouldn't those people be at the top of the pile to get rehired or weaseled in as a "contractor" or something? Those people would be the first to be rehired by a Democratic Administration.
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If they were that corrupt why wouldn't they be in the private sector foing something similar? Buddy, you don't seem to understand how long 4 years is and how many people are being fired. This is also assuming all the apparatus that they had before like usaid remain intact and unchanged which is looking like it's not going to happen. This took decades of having systems in the right place inte tionally or unintentionally and putting all the toys back together after they're smashed isn't going to happen. They might be able to glue the heads back on but those institutions are fundamentally changed forever and it's never going to work the same. They're going to need new schemes
 
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DSaC said:
It depends on how you do it.
If the law is changed in the way a few Republicans have proposed, in that you're only barred from seeking more terms after two consecutive ones, I actually can't see it backfiring.
It would bar Obama from getting the chance to run again, and the only situation where somebody would even be able to take advantage of it would be rare ones like Trump's. Neither party would be stupid enough to intentionally give up Incumbent Advantage in the General Election to get the same guy more terms.

That said, I'm still not fond of the idea of Trump having a 3rd Term purely because I think he'll be far too old to be trusted with the job. I'm just explaining how a 3rd Term could happen without giving Obama any funny ideas.
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So in this interpretation theoretically you could just not seeking reelection after you finish your term, come back in 4 years, win again, serve your second term then repeat the process till your dead. This sounds like a nightmare if the democrats can squeeze out another Obama tier politician.
 
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