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Bit out there, but there's a couple of rather old webcomics I was wanting to ask a bit about. Haven't seen them really mentioned on this site before, so I got curious:

First was Latex BLUE; it was this old comic from 2001-2006, made by the author "Dragonfly". Apparently, it was made for the sake of "opening people's minds" to sexuality and such; in the comic, this meant shoving as many fetishes as possible into the plot, to the point where the whole comic is... pretty much completely NSFW. Seriously, there's just pages upon pages of the author's MCs doing nothing but mindlessly fucking various things; one of the first things the two "protagonists" in the comic do is start raping a decapitated - but still alive - head.

I know the Webcomic Relief guy did a review on it, and the Bad Webcomics wiki still has an article on it; any here ever do a review on it? Couldn't find anything.

The other one was called "Peter is the Wolf"; it's this comic about a werewolf named Peter who accidently infects his girlfriend with lycanthropy, and from there on, it turns into this bizarre and inconsistent mess about werewolf politics mixed haphazardly with constant furfag sex. First heard about it a decade ago or so; apparently it went on hiatus around 2023, but it was still never officially abandoned last I heard. Anyways, all I remember was the story either talking about political drama or brainless sex, or the occasional "humans are the REAL MAWNSTERS but also weak because FURRIES ALL POWERFUL AND PEACEFUL" shit. Anyone happen to know more about it?

Also, it... really doesn't feel like it's been a full year since I wrote those "Twin Fire" reviews; I really need to get on to that...
 
Remember when capeshit was about fighting aliens and monsters and shit? That was nice.

Where the fuck does the L come from? peopLe?

"In practice, I'm 100% a cop, but nooo, I'm a Good Guy unlike them!" there aren't a lot of shining beacons of morality saying that shit.
My bad, it is League, not organisation. However there is zero distinction between league, organisation, association, assembly etc. You would think they have a different command structure but it is just buzzwords being thrown around so it does not matter much.

that sort of attitude also generally comes from narcissistic contempt. it is not "I do my job better than them, they are amateurs" it is "I am morally better than them on every level". This is usually how civilians get killed or you get yourself or others killed. Very mature, author, very mature to state. Totally not childish...
 
'The second-to-last chapter from Meier’s POV... There are 3 more chapters after this and Tassi is likely the last"
Confirmed NoP2 is coming to an abrupt end with probably a round 100 chapters. 3 more would make 99 but he'll probably do some sort of epilogue anyway. It's been an underwhelming and frustrating ride. So many concepts and plot threads not taken advantage of. We still don't know what's going on Marcel and Slanek, for example. No idea if Sovlin or Kalsim or Isif are still alive. Is Dustin actually still breathing and working at an obscure lab, or did Jones have him killed? Where are Nulia and Haliska? I hope he takes a long break before he starts NoP3, if he chooses to write such a thing.
 
I know this may not really fit this thread, but I was reading some pages on 1d6chan earlier and I couldn't help but notice just how familiar it's description for Beast: The Primordial is to many of the stories discussed here.
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The protagonists vary from being quite unlikable to being Garth Ennis writing tier levels of cartoonishly fucked up and evil, yet they always get portrayed as being in the right. Meanwhile the antagonists who oppose the protagonists exhibit traditionally heroic traits, yet always get portrayed as "DA REEEEAAL EVIL HECCIN CHUDS!!!". And although some of them may not be as messed up as Beast: The Primordial's creator, I wouldn't be shocked if they have plenty of skeletons in their closet.

This sums it up perfectly:
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I know this may not really fit this thread, but I was reading some pages on 1d6chan earlier and I couldn't help but notice just how familiar it's description for Beast: The Primordial is to many of the stories discussed here.

That's actually something I've noticed myself; it's bizarre how you can basically just replace "Beast" with "Furry" and get it to work completely. Especially with the amount of stories that have furries trying to sell their souls for power...

Seriously, the amount of creepy sex shit the fandom tries to justify is ludicrous; just look at Chakona Space. Doesn't help that Beast's Night Mother sounds almost exactly like some of the furry "gods" in various stories. Granted, given the amount of perverts and offenders in the fandom, it's no surprise that Beast works well; Venn Diagram between the two groups is practically a fucking circle.
 
On the subject of NoP: SpacePaladin has made a public post explaining his feelings on NoP and NoP2 and what he is gonna do now in 2025.

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I never had especially high self-esteem. I was the quiet, nerdy fellow that would sit around daydreaming about science fiction, and it was a form of escapism. I had some cool ideas that I couldn’t find anywhere else, so at a point where life seemed at a standstill, I decided to start posting on r/HFY—a place where I was a lurker.

I’d stopped writing in much more than an academic sense. I didn’t believe that people would want to read what I wanted to say, compared to some great writers that I admired. I sat for hours trying to find the courage to post my first one-shot about sacrifice. From there, I improved more as a writer and was willing to take more and more risks; I wrote serials and they took off!

Nature of Predators was a trope-breaking epic that lived in my head all-day, every day. I wanted so desperately to make people happy; I was always quiet, mind you, but I read EVERYTHING! Every comment on Reddit or chapter discussion, every subreddit post, I answered questions nonstop. And for a time, it was amazing. People loved what I loved and that feeling was what gave me purpose. I never stopped, I spent every free second on it.

If you’re spotting some red flags and unhealthy habits in there, then you’re right. NOP was an obsession, what I loved the most, my everything. In my attempts to please people…yes, for the selfish reasons that I wanted them to like my work…I would change many things. I grew frustrated when those same adjustments that were asked for became the headline criticisms on every third thread, from the changed pacing or the flawed human characters. I would answer questions that I had neither interest nor knowledge in, then see those used as reasons to mock me.

What was the most upsetting was that I wanted to do something different, and I felt like there was a fundamental disconnect between what the fans wanted and what ignited my passion. I poured everything into NOP2, a mountainous amount of content for free, and felt that it was rejected by many, that I was reviled by my own fandom.

And in terms of both lore and focus, the truth is that I am someone who cares about people, characters, and ideas, not the minor details or technology. I set out to write soft science fiction, and wound up trying to cobble together explanations for things I didn’t understand. I wrote lore documents, thinking somehow that this would win people over.

I didn’t just lose the thread; I lost myself. It got to a point where all I could hear was the haters, and I hated that. I hated the idea deep in my soul that…they might be right. Those were the words I couldn’t hear all along. In every teardown I saw of my book, my resentment grew and the excitement fizzled until it died. It felt like the narrative continued to get worse, whether it objectively did or did not.

Some people just don’t cope well with that kind of negative attention, and I…I certainly didn’t hold up. Anger wasn’t the worst part; it was when I opened the word processing document and my first thought was how people would hate it. It was when I began to believe I wasn’t good at anything. By the time I realized I was in late-stage burnout with NOP, the spiral fed itself.

The good news is that my passion for writing itself is still alive, and I want a fresh start with positivity and renewed excitement. I must apologize if I’ve ever let anyone down in terms of how I’ve reached the ending or with any behavior that has been reactive/unfair. I ask for forgiveness, and to be judged on the self-work I’m attempting for more sustainable habits.

I’ve taken time to myself in the hopes of learning my limits and avoiding such a situation. I’ve tried to remember that I’m just writing for fun, no matter what expectations others might have. I’m ready to start a new journey without letting number metrics or a few barbs determine my value or the quality of my writing for me. I hope the next chapter will be happier and rejuvenating.

There’s a few things I’ve realized, like how the internet feeds the most negative voices. You cannot be reliant on what people think. You have to write what you want. Not everyone will like that…and that’s okay.

TLDR: I’m saying this for my own closure, but also publicly posting so that others know that your feelings are valid. Follow your passion, rather than becoming reliant on the validation of others. To do otherwise is a path to unhappiness, and will take away YOUR VISION. Others may have written things differently, but you should be able to tell your story your way.

Tl;Dr He admits he wasn't really in his element, and the fandom wanted harder sci-fi than he was willing and able to provide. Took a while for him to admit to himself and come to terms with that, and understand why people disliked it. He has made peace with it now, and moving on to write other stuff. NOP2 will end on chapter 99. Don't let your memes be dreams JUST DO IT.

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Tl;Dr He admits he wasn't really in his element, and the fandom wanted harder sci-fi than he was willing and able to provide. Took a while for him to admit to himself and come to terms with that, and understand why people disliked it. He has made peace with it now, and moving on to write other stuff. NOP2 will end on chapter 99. Don't let your memes be dreams JUST DO IT.
Fans are oftentimes hard to appease. And I can respect him for coming to that conclusion and wanting to do something different.

After reading NOP1, I just felt burnt out. Like the last quarter of the story just kinda soured it all for me (that and the one gojid e-dating side story). Because it started to feel like fanfiction of itself. Like it was constantly trying to outdo itself while still hammering down on the singular premise of "humans scary". You wear yourself out on it after a bit.
 
Poor dude can't take criticism, to the point he thought people actually hated him? Oof. I don't think anyone actually hated the guy.
It's kind of sad because he wasn't a terrible writer (at least by internet standards). Some of his stuff was genuinely pretty fun to read. He just needed to refine his craft a bit and not rush things.
 
Tl;Dr He admits he wasn't really in his element, and the fandom wanted harder sci-fi than he was willing and able to provide.
I don't think the problem was soft or hard sci fi, I think large parts of nop 1 were writen ahead of time and when he ran out of prepped chapters and push came to shove, instead of taking a break to think the road ahead he just started writing on the fly and improvising resulting in a noticeable drop in quality.

NoP 1 was a huge hit not because of its robust sci fi, but because it had a powerful emotional core and well writen characters which people loved to watch.

Chapter 140 removed that core, so now you had a sci fi story without an emotional core and without sci fi, instead of restoring the core which was the reason the story was a hit he tried to pivot toward sci fi instead which wasn't his strong suit and that's how we ended up where we are with nop.

He basically completely misunderstood what made his original writing great and fumbled the ball beyond recovery.

I don't mind him leaving nop behind and moving on to other stuff with all his accumulated wisdom and knowledge, hell I'm hyped to see what he comes up with now, I just hope he doesn't take the wrong lesson from this fiasco:

Emotion is his strong suit that's what he should focus on, and the sole reason NoP started turning into a clusterfuck is because he pivoted away from it.
 
NoP2 officially joever. The ending was like... fine. I also found an interesting tidbit in the comments from SP himself - namely, he DID have a plan for Marcel and Slanek but decided to drop it because he thought it was too dark and he was tired of Marcel discourse. The gist of it was that Marcel was going to kill himself with a note that said 'bring me back when you can bring Slanek back'. The implication being Slanek is comatose at best, and that robo-Slanek and robo-Marcel would have a happy reunion. But he just dropped this plot thread cold, much to my annoyance, as Slanek was my favourite character in the whole franchise and the fact his return was teased and cut really pisses me off. Dude said he has no intention of ever coming back to NoP (I sincerely doubt this is the case, give it a year and he'll start writing little stuff for it again) and does not want to answer any lore questions and that he'll leave it all up to fanfic writers (which I feel has a very snide undercurrent of 'since you people think they do a better job than me', although I might be reading too much into that). I'll check out Prisoners of Sol at some point and see if it's better than the pretty sloppy NoP2. He's gushing about how good it is, which tbh actually bodes pretty well. Anything he hypes up tends to actually be solid.

The comments also had a very long critique of NoP2 from a Patreon user called EliasArt2Life. I'm going to copy and paste it under a spoilerbox because it sums up my feelings toward the story almost 1:1. I only differ in that I don't necessarily agree with his initial point about NoP1 (I didn't really lose track of any characters in it) and I still don't like Taylor, even now. Dude just sucks. SP has been replying to a lot of comments, but not this one, which doesn't surprise me at this point.
Okay, before I go into characters and plot points, I want to talk about the series as a whole. NOP1 had a problem with having too many characters. Now, I didn’t feel this way, but I noticed that it was common in the comments for people to beg for information about other characters and occasionally complain when a POV went on too long. In total, NOP1 had 8 POV characters: Tarva, Meier, Slanek, Sovlin, Kalsim, Isif, Onso, and Glim. NOP2 solved this problem by reducing the number of POV characters to 4: Taylor, Tassi, Meier, and Quana. I honestly think that this was a good decision. My only qualms are that I think it would have been a bit better with 5, not 4, and there’s a distinct lack of alien POVs. At its core, NOP1 (I’m EXCLUDING the miniseries and side stories from this) was given from alien points of view, with only 1 of 8 POVs being from a humans, and that human died early on. NOP2 has a 50/50 split, and one of those POVs (Quana) ended right at the end (and I believe she had the fewest number of chapters on TOP of that). A fifth POV from an alien might have made this feel more in line with NOP1.

Of course, the real question is if this series should even BE like the original? Think about it; to perfectly capture the feel of the original, either the Remnants would have to be the main focus, or the Consortium would have had to fear humanity, both of which would have felt like a copy-paste of NOP1. NOP2 takes place in a different era than NOP1, so why SHOULDN’T it be different. Overall, I’d say that different is good, but perhaps straying a little more towards NOP1 would help make people feel the same way they did with NOP1.

Now for, what I consider, the big problem that this series had. I think the problem was introducing too many plot points and characters. Now, I’m not saying that you can’t make a story with tons of plot points and have it work out, but it’s a very difficult thing to do. In this case, tons of plot points were started, but ended unceremoniously. The Anti-Bissem speciesism? They fight it for a while, and then it sort of fades away after Meier makes his speech, and gets brought up less and less until the story says that the Bissem are generally accepted. The Yotul rivalry with humanity? Never really goes anywhere past the start of the series. Jones offering to work unofficially? Never brought up again. The Ghost Farsul appear more than halfway into the story, continuing the almost forgotten plot point about the starlight incident and tying into he Remnant plot-line. Then they get raided and beaten offscreen. The Consortium’s robot army? Beaten in the first major confrontation.

That’s not saying that EVERY plot-line is bad or unsatisfying: Space Paladin has a love for writing intrigue plots, and it shows. The slow, subtle burn of everyone realizing just how bad the Consortium is was done incredibly well! The idea of the Ghost Farsul tying together the Consortium, Sivkit, Starlight, and Remnant plots was GREAT, it just needed to be fleshed out more. A more substantial backbone to support the weight of so much of the plot. Adam Meier’s plot-line of guiding the SC away from the complacency it’s fallen into was also well done. The SC plot-line was intriguing, and a GREAT example of some of the pitfalls that can occur after you topple a millennia old civilization and then build a new institution. And the Sivkit plot-line was something I doubted would interest me, but ended up being a great addition to the story after all!

In terms of characters, a lot of them were either left un-fleshed out, or dropped without much content. Arjun and Cala were introduced at the same time, but only Cala is still hanging around Taylor by the end, and her role has been mostly reduced to making expositionary comments. Compare them to Carlos and Samantha from NOP1, who had similar roles, and you’ll get what I mean; Sovlin’s guards had distinct personalities and worldviews that played off of Sovlin to provoke his growth. Cala does that at first, but then Taylor accepts her and that interplay kind of stops. Syba also is MIA, after helping Meier with talking to the Shield, she soon vanishes from the story. Hathaway also disappeared. After the terrorist attack, he gives a speech to convince the a Tellarians to stay on Tellus, and then disappears until Taylor’s finale where it’s mentioned he got jailed. Hathaway stopped acting as an antagonist (well, to be fair, he wasn’t the most consistent antagonist before that). Dustin, Nulia, and Haliska were super important to the story at the start, but the Jones comes along and uses them to manipulate Tassi, and then they disappear. We don’t see Nulia and Haliska once (although they are mentioned a few times) after they turn in Tassi, and Dustin appears less and less until he vanishes and is only indirectly involved with the plot. This is neither a satisfying send off, nor a good utilization of these characters’ potential. There could have been a heated confrontation, or one or more of those three could have had a change of heart or apologized to Tassi. But there’s not, which makes Jones’ manipulation feel more like an excuse to get those three out of the story than anything else. Overall, I think that more effort should have been put into the characters that we DID have, rather than adding more and saturating the cast, only to need to prune it later. If cameos are to be included, I think it would be better if they were more like William Kane and Rauln. They appear for one scene, and then bow out, without giving any inclination that they’re going to be sticking around.

Okay, now that the overview is done, let’s talk about the major plot-lines.

The Consortium Conspiracy, although it ended a little too easily for all the buildup, was pretty good! I think it was obvious that something was up, but that’s not the point. The enjoyment I got from the slow reveal of just how bad the Consortium was made for a VERY engaging and satisfying story. I like how the abuses used by the Consortium are similar (if not the same) to the ones voiced by the Bissem and Meier early in the story, making it clear that this is a path the SC could have gone down as well. The fact that they knew everything from the start was good too. However, that realization ALSO makes some of their early actions… a little shakey. Just what their plan is/was is unclear? They don’t really seem to have an end goal. They sort of just become a cybernetic galactic threat at the last moment, but if that was always their goal, why not expand after they realize that the Federation is gone? I mean, sure you can probably hand-wave it away, but it’s kind of hard to figure out what they were really planning. That’s okay for the Federation, who were stuck in the past, but NOP2 posits that the Consortium was trying to embrace and abuse the future too fast. Not thinking things through to that extent doesn’t seem like them.

The synthetic plot-line. Ah! Everyone’s FaVoRiTe topic. Okay, honestly, I think it’s GOOD that this plot-line got so many people talking and discussing it. For writers and artists, getting people to talk and debate is a crowning achievement! For that ALONE, I think this was a good plot-point. But aside from that, I think it was legitimately well thought out and structured. Especially the attention to detail of everyday things a synthetic human wouldn’t experience. I feel like the ramifications of a near synthetic galactic apocalypse needed to be expanded upon, though. Once again, this plot-line ended too soon.

The Remnant plot-line. I feel like this was a missed opportunity. With the Ghost, there was a potential for the Remnants to become an actual threat, manipulating the SC, to try to tear it apart. But their manipulation was cut WAY short, their fleets get swept aside, they and the Ghosts are beaten offscreen, we don’t really get a look into their society, the way we did with Aafa or the rest of the Federation, and the members of the Remnants don’t do much to differentiate themselves from one another (aside from the Yulpa and Malti). The Ghosts are also underused. They mostly seem to exist to turn the conflict back onto the Consortium and to give exposition. Despite their threatening introduction, we don’t see anything of them, not get to understand much of who they are and how they’re coping with the state of the galaxy.

The SC plot. Actually decently done and fleshed out. It introduces the problem, there’re twists and turns, strife, and moments where people have to put aside their differences to come together. My biggest gripe is that it gets mostly completed with Meier’s speech in the middle of the plot. It would have been better if it had added nuance (because no one wants just more of humanity bending the knee and predator suspicion) and been stretched out to conclude alongside the battles against the Consortium and Remnants. While the SC struggles to get along, we’re loosing the war, and us reconciling our differences coincides with us winning. Cliche, I know, but cliches exist for a reason; they work.

Okay, now for characters.

Taylor and Gress were the two I was most skeptical of. I was worried that Taylor had been through too much and would need more time to heal before entering into a relationship, and I felt that Gress’ treatment of Taylor was off putting. I thought that even if the story SAID they made it work, it would be unconvincing. I am happy to say that I was proven dead wrong! Taylor’s recovery and growth felt surprisingly natural for its rapid pace, and having Gress go through his own mental crisis which forces Taylor to grow up more and become GRESS’ rock was a FANTASTIC narrative decision that actually got me really invested.

Tassi. I liked getting the Bissem point of view as a group of (mostly) untainted aliens at the start, and wish that it was more heavily relied upon. However, Tassi’s own mental health breakdown overshadows most of the potential for that. I enjoyed her POV, but eventually found her perspective on things became a bit predictable. The loss of the First Contact Team from her POV also hurt this, as she lost 3 people to bounce her point of view off of. Loxsel wasn’t exactly a person she could bounce her thoughts off of, and Meier wasn’t always there for her to bounce her thoughts off of. Overall, a good character, but needed aliens to be around her. Most of the most interesting NOP1 characters had humans around them all the time (Tarva, Slanek, and Sovlin).

Adam Meier. Honestly, this was a REALLY good concept for a character, and this series knocked it out of the park with this one! A combination of discovering one’s own identity, a man out of time, and people only seeing you by your legacy. A very interesting set of traits and character plot-lines, and I’m satisfied with how they came out. I don’t really care what people argue about in the comments, if Meier is actually a person or not; the story says and treats him like he’s real and sapient, so I’ll go off of the story. Not like we have ACTUAL synthetics of this type IRL we can point to as reference for inaccuracies. Also, the best part, HE CHANGED HIS NAME SO I CAN STOP GETTING WHIPLASH READING THESE STORIES AND THE COMMENTS!!! (Joking)

Quana. I’m going to be honest, I don’t really like Quana’s POV, and it’s not just because her decent makes me uncomfortable. As I said early on, NOP1 was primarily told through the eyes of aliens. So, for one of our TWO alien POVs to be so heavily overshadowed by baseless hatred… I feel it just strips the narrative of even more of its already sparse use of alien viewpoints, when it’s already not using its full potential.

Cherise. Not a POV character, but I think she deserves this mention. I liked seeing her go from a downward spiral to regaining her lost innocence. I wish we got to see more of that recovery I feel like most of her tine was spent before her descent.

Conclusion: I won’t say that NOP2 is perfect, nor that it doesn’t have major problems, but overall I still think it was good and worth reading. The characters, ideas, and plot were good, they just ended too soon, and needed a bit more time to cook. I’m thankful for what we got.
 
Dude said he has no intention of ever coming back to NoP (I sincerely doubt this is the case, give it a year and he'll start writing little stuff for it again) and does not want to answer any lore questions and that he'll leave it all up to fanfic writers
Dumb reaction from him. Kind of a waste, if he kept working at writing I think he's actually got a little potential. Some of his content was legitimately a good read when he wasn't rushing things or half-assing to get stuff done.

Hope the guy doesn't just give up.
 
After reading NOP1, I just felt burnt out. Like the last quarter of the story just kinda soured it all for me (that and the one gojid e-dating side story). Because it started to feel like fanfiction of itself. Like it was constantly trying to outdo itself while still hammering down on the singular premise of "humans scary". You wear yourself out on it after a bit.
For me the predator disease twist felt like the "jump the shark" moment, looking back.

Retroactively every federation character looks like a complete psychopath. The Arxur I get, they are a bunch of alien super nazis and act accordingly. But for the federation species to be "We are all about love and unity and banding together but also we will just watch unflinchingly as one of our own species is tortured and terrorized for a verbal tic." Comes across as absolutely fucked on a species level. Like, monkeys standing on their children to avoid burning to death bad. And yet somehow the story is about how humanity is also bad because Humanity First, like it's even the same scale.

The biggest problem though, is how much the beginning of the story clashes with the later parts. It feels like the acceptance level actually starts going backwards from when they all thought the humans were going to kill everybody. In later half NoP Tarva would have been stripped of command for suggesting they were human, because she would be seen as having predator disease. Not a soul would allow the exchange program and they would have fainted and opened fire when Noah entered that conference room.

I overall enjoyed the series, but the flaws of SpacePaladin's work are apparent, especially if you read his earlier work "why humans avoid war." Take the idiocy of NoP and crank it up a couple million degrees, where humans reveal some weapons that are too deadly, and suddenly get branded a level 16 theat and get the super racism treatment.
 
For me the predator disease twist felt like the "jump the shark" moment, looking back.
I honestly did not feel like it was much of a twist. I remember several people on the reddit predicting that twist months before it was even revealed. The conspiracy behind the Kolshian/Arxur was where I feel like it just became stupid. Because there was no real end goal to that conspiracy. It was just a way for the plot to neatly take out both major opposing factions.
Retroactively every federation character looks like a complete psychopath. The Arxur I get, they are a bunch of alien super nazis and act accordingly. But for the federation species to be "We are all about love and unity and banding together but also we will just watch unflinchingly as one of our own species is tortured and terrorized for a verbal tic." Comes across as absolutely fucked on a species level. Like, monkeys standing on their children to avoid burning to death bad. And yet somehow the story is about how humanity is also bad because Humanity First, like it's even the same scale.
That's how they came off from the start. Sovlin tortured Marcel for a week or so for no reason, the entire practice of extermanators, ect, ect.

And I agree, HF was really bungled. I feel like SP15 kept trying to one-up how bad they were just because fans of the series were very public about how they agreed with what HF did. So he overcompensated hard.
I overall enjoyed the series, but the flaws of SpacePaladin's work are apparent, especially if you read his earlier work "why humans avoid war." Take the idiocy of NoP and crank it up a couple million degrees, where humans reveal some weapons that are too deadly, and suddenly get branded a level 16 theat and get the super racism treatment.
I think that's my biggest issue with his work as a whole. Everyone is just a idiot, except our main characters who are 100% smart good boys even when they do dumb things.
 
That's how they came off from the start. Sovlin tortured Marcel for a week or so for no reason, the entire practice of extermanators, ect, ect.
The Marcel and Exterminator stuff is understandably stupud though. It's a result of indocrination, but justified indoctrination by years of terrorizing from the Arxur as a species. There's a logical throughline of having a basica part of society be "predator bad, forward eyes bad."

But being as unflinchingly cruel as what bonsen went through in the ADHD special? It's one thing to torture a "predator", but it's not as sensical to he so borderline sadistic to a member of an "In Group" species like that. However much sympathy a tortured Marcel got from any alien, it should have been less than seeing a tortured child or family member in a facility. It doesn't fit with their own values they espose of being "empathetic prey." And if it's such a strict system, I don't know how something like Slanek's training was ever approved in the first place. So many characters should have been institutionalized earlier in rhe story, like that psychopath bird from the earth invasion.
 
And yet somehow the story is about how humanity is also bad because Humanity First, like it's even the same scale.

To be fair, Humanity First is basically the furry fandom's designated "strawman" group; they first showed up in Chakona Space if I remember correctly, but they've popped up in other furry settings since then. Regardless, the characterization is ALWAYS the same, with HF getting crammed into stories for the sake of some cheap "humans are EVIL" crap.
 
To be fair, Humanity First is basically the furry fandom's designated "strawman" group; they first showed up in Chakona Space if I remember correctly, but they've popped up in other furry settings since then. Regardless, the characterization is ALWAYS the same, with HF getting crammed into stories for the sake of some cheap "humans are EVIL" crap.
Yeah, but it's extra retarded coming from NoP. It's one thing when it comes from NoP. It's one thing seeing it in a misanthropic fantasy like Avatar or the other stories here, and another when a soldier joins HF for the evil reason of... not wanting to be murdered for having ADHD himself, and seeing the most pro-human figure in the story classify him as "minimum risk."
 
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