What is your favorite piece of art where you disagreed with the artist?

[Daddy's Angry Juice]

Its as the title says, what is that one or many if youre such a maverick, piece/s of art where you didnt exactly agree with the stated meaning and instead chose your own?

 

[Cats]

I like a lot of Stephen King's writing, but I don't agree with his ultra-liberal politics or embarrassing levels of TDS. It's a shame because of how much of his work is really very clever in places, sure nowadays it's easy to meme on him being a middling hack who wrote a bunch of junk but I remember reading some of his select works as a kid and how they shaped my entry into horror literature. They set a bar for sure. Pet Sematary, The Jaunt, The Man In The Black Suit, Cain Rose Up, all of these stories are ingrained into my memory as milestones for modern horror literature. I grew up with Creepshow and some of his (albeit not as good as the book) movies/miniseries. Yeah, just a shame all he does nowadays is cry about Trump on twitter like a weirdo.

 

[internet friend]

OddWorld games like Abe's Oddysee. It has a very simple minded "Capitalism Bad, native good" message, but they're damn fun games. Beautiful looking too, even for the age.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Starship Troopers

 

[AirdropShitposts]

It'd be hard to pick for me because there's a lot. Maybe most evident in music I think, where the author is all like "fuck the powerful, fuck cops, but also we should have totalitarian socialism." Rage Against The Machine is an obvious example because they literally say the former stuff in the songs but it's basically any time any musician wants to make a political statement. Any band or artist seen as political has similar views like "the rich and powerful suck, corporations suck, we should have a single monopoly corporation that controls everything including art." I don't even care about the hypocrisy of releasing their art through corporations or being rich themselves compared to the willful ignorance. Yeah, totally gonna listen to the message of somebody who follows their premises to an inverse conclusion.

You can see it in a lot of "radicals" where they also do all this brave and stunning anger at Republicans or Tories while letting Democrats or Labour off the hook even if it violates the claimed principles. It's like, that doesn't make me respect your art, it just makes you a hack who abandons their principles to pretend the "good guys" have "won" or some stupid shit like that. Though it feels like that shows up less often in music and more often in comics or TV or movies or whatever.

Another reason RATM comes to mind even if they aren't my "favorite" band is because of when Paul Ryan named them as his and all the mouthbreathers were like "way to miss the point of the music!" Absolute simpletons who think you can only like something if you agree with it. Telling on themselves as always.

 

[The Snail]

I tend to do this with music. My favorites are "A Day in the Life of a Tree" by the Beach Boys, "Eyes Without a Face" by Billy Idol, and "Late Night, Maudlin Street" by Morrissey.

"A Day in the Life of a Tree" might already have been intended to be an alternative message song, but it always sounded as if it were paralleling the life of a tree with the life of men, and how "pollution" is killing or kills good men.

"Eyes Without a Face" was intended to be a song about a serial killer (or inspired) according to Billy idol, but to me I've always felt it was about someone with psychosis seeing himself in the third person, who might be going through a break-up. Primarily, when he says "One more bad dream, could bring a fall", he says it almost like "One more bad break, could bring a fog horn"- that lead me to think it more.

Lastly, "Late Night, Maudlin Street" is seemingly an autobiographical piece about Morrissey's time and life within his neighborhood, which subsequently was demolished. This interpretation is a bit more difficult to follow if you listen to the song, but I began to see it almost as if he personified his house into an imaginary friend (or girlfriend) who followed him around, and the song is him reminiscing to the spirit of them. Many lyrics almost point to it, especially the last lines of the song. Admittedly it doesn't change the stories all too much, but it creates a way more sad and interesting perspective.

 

[Marche]

The holocaust.

 

[batteredpancakes]

The Matrix.

 

[Two by Four]

Spoiler: I thought this was artists I disagree with at first

Anything by Jordan Peele. I disagree with his hamfisted politisperging in otherwise alright films. Us was shit but Get Out and Nope were decent; his characters are pretty shallow but I like how he does shot composition, setting/themes, timing, etc.

It's a shame, because I'd have no issue with him at all if he did the sensible thing and used allegory to cover his "muh black experiance" shit and make it more universal (like a good writer does), but if he did that then the normies and race grifters wouldn't know when to clap .

I always thought Jerry was supposed to be a not-so-good comedian in Seinfeld and the cutaways to his standup bits were supposed to be some kind of meta-gag.

 

[The Snail]

Anything by Jordan Peele. I disagree with his hamfisted politisperging in otherwise alright films. Us was shit but Get Out and Nope were decent

Funnily, Get Out was initially a lot more based (not that it holds that anymore). I only ever saw the clip in E;R's review, but if I remember correctly, Peele explained that his initial vision/allegory for Get out was primarily targeting white liberals and cuckholds who obsess about black people.

 

[Cats]

It'd be hard to pick for me because there's a lot. Maybe most evident in music I think, where the author is all like "fuck the powerful, fuck cops, but also we should have totalitarian socialism." Rage Against The Machine is an obvious example because they literally say the former stuff in the songs but it's basically any time any musician wants to make a political statement. Any band or artist seen as political has similar views like "the rich and powerful suck, corporations suck, we should have a single monopoly corporation that controls everything including art." I don't even care about the hypocrisy of releasing their art through corporations or being rich themselves compared to the willful ignorance. Yeah, totally gonna listen to the message of somebody who follows their premises to an inverse conclusion.

You can see it in a lot of "radicals" where they also do all this brave and stunning anger at Republicans or Tories while letting Democrats or Labour off the hook even if it violates the claimed principles. It's like, that doesn't make me respect your art, it just makes you a hack who abandons their principles to pretend the "good guys" have "won" or some stupid shit like that. Though it feels like that shows up less often in music and more often in comics or TV or movies or whatever.

Another reason RATM comes to mind even if they aren't my "favorite" band is because of when Paul Ryan named them as his and all the mouthbreathers were like "way to miss the point of the music!" Absolute simpletons who think you can only like something if you agree with it. Telling on themselves as always.

Oh yeah I love tons of RATM songs but their band members are fucking faggots. Tom Morello is a rich commie hypocrite and he's not even really that great a guitar player, more of a talented noisemaker. A smile was brought to my face in the comment section of one of his recent videos where he was playing something from his living room and didn't even tune his shit, it sounded horrible, and everyone was just commenting how big of a political retard and turd he was, it was great.

 

[Fastest Hand In The East]

It has a very simple minded "Capitalism Bad, native good" message

I think it's from a simpler times where the message was "THESE capitalists are bad and THESE natives are good"

 

[glue eater]

Starship Troopers

I take it you mean the movie since Verhoeven is a hardcore cuckold, while the book's was pretty much "fascism is based, actually".

 

[Druish Space Lasers]

The Sopranos. It's hilarious how much David Chase wants us to hate the characters in that show.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Usually if I like art it's got pretty universal stuff going on, I guess closest thing I can get to this is shit like well drawn political cartoons that turn the "wrong opinion" into some scapegoat to be swindled or murdered.

The Matrix.

am so sorry you did not like the message of existential cyber martyr neo dying for human freedom to return and the machines to stop harvesting us and I hope the agents hooked you up with some good shit for sending that. Whatever lobotomy they did to the watchowski bros after those movies happened it was clearly to make sure we would't think of escaping the matrix again.

I always thought Jerry was supposed to be a not-so-good comedian in Seinfeld and the cutaways to his standup bits were supposed to be some kind of meta-gag.

it is still a kinda meta gag because it's jerry, but not jerry because it's the character of the guy who is the guy but not the guy. it's like how in bee movie barry is played by jerry and basically is jerry but isn't jerry and is named barry but then you got bee larry king who's larry king but as a bee, and canonically in universe larry king the human also exists.
Seinfeld's strength is in his ability to just ramble about shit in a generally amusing way, though he's not the only guy that's done that he's the guy that got a show where he plays a guy named jerry seinfeld.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

The Mentors.

I really appreciate the message in some of their songs. I really haven't heard a better song about double penetration than, Sandwich of Love and S.F.C.C. (suck fuck cook clean) really speaks to me about female empowerment. The 4 F Club (find em feel em fuck em forget em) is a clever look into the modern dating scene. And who can forget Golden Shower whose lyrics were read aloud to congress (Bend up and smell my anal vapor/Your face is my toilet paper/Golden shower/I´ve got the power) when debating the new parental advisory stickers.

However I disagree with El Duce's political views. I find them misogynistic.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I always thought Jerry was supposed to be a not-so-good comedian in Seinfeld and the cutaways to his standup bits were supposed to be some kind of meta-gag.

That would actually have been a really great plot point for an episode of Curb. Or even an overarching theme, being a reflection of Larry's life.

 

[batteredpancakes]

am so sorry you did not like the message of existential cyber martyr neo dying for human freedom to return and the machines to stop harvesting us and I hope the agents hooked you up with some good shit for sending that. Whatever lobotomy they did to the watchowski bros after those movies happened it was clearly to make sure we would't think of escaping the matrix again.

I'd say the Watchowski brothers were pretty fucked up even before the making the Matrix like most visionaries are, but I'd wish they hadn't revised the entire meaning of the films. That's a awful stain that can never be taken away.

Although I do feel like there's something really poetic about the Matrix being written by the very kind of people who are trying to quash freedom. Of all the films that exist it happens to be the famous one about institutional control and censorship that has two degenerate tranny writers who think children should be castrated and wrongthinkers should be legally persecuted.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

James Cameron. Shoot some of the most badass action movies of all time - decades later calls testosterone a poison and praises Barbie movie for its retarded message of "women are asked too much of" that obviously cannot be ever applied to men too.

The Smiths. Love their songs, but Morrissey is a smug self-righteous idiot.

 

[The Lawgiver]

but I'd wish they hadn't revised the entire meaning of the films.

Clickbait article people revised the meaning of the films and they surprisingly denied that claim about ti being about trans shit constantly until one of them started claiming it was always meant to be that and the other one still saying it wasn't. I can't remember if it was the one that made the shitty recent sequel or not but that itself is a stain that I'm leaning towards just in the current year sequel-is of undoing the events of the prior movies to set up for more potential sequels in the most nonsense of ways.