Argue with a handful of individuals over the DOGE's "report your work" scheme. Both unemployed and employed are welcome

[neger psykolog]

Everyone giving their opinions about whether or not to reply to Elon's "what did you do last week" email is dumb.
There is only one way to reply.

This is what I did in the last week:

1. [REDACTED]
2. [REDACTED]
3. [REDACTED]
4. [REDACTED]
5. [REDACTED]

Preferably just use black bars and then link to whatever law it is they use when they answer FOIA requests to black out the parts about what donuts they were ordering half way through the JFK files.

Foolproof.

 

[byron]

I know it's popular to call you a tard

Logical fallacy: appeal to popularity.

Everything I've said in this thread is right. And the only responses have been lame personal attacks like calling me a fag or saying I've never had a job ...but also when someone brings up the military and I cite a parallel example from my military career, someone said me being an officer was why I'm wrong.

Not a single one of those responses is substantive!

Then there are the people who just hallucinate my position. They argue against a straw man. Someone said that I think there are 10,000 ghost jobs. No, I don't.

Or here, how about this hallucination:

>Hey boss, I've answered that email you did specifically ask us not to answer. That one from the guys who want to fire us all.

I didn't say or suggest that you should do something your boss explicitly tells you not to do.

This is very typical of the responses here, and it's how I know that I'm right.

OPM never sends emails. It would be like if the marketing department that happened to run a website your team used once all of a sudden demands to know what you are working on every day.

If I wanted to respond to your argument here in the way that appears to be typical for the people in this thread, I'd say something ridiculous and irrelevant like, "this is how I know you've never had a job."

Instead of doing this, I'm going to demonstrate how to respond to an argument in an intelligent way.

Step 1: I quoted you. Quoting you makes it harder for me to hallucinate a straw man. It also makes it clear which portion of your argument I'm addressing.

Step 2: I'm going to address it directly and substantively. You're making an analogy between DOGE and "the marketing department that happened to run a website your team used once"

I disagree with this analogy because the marketing department that happened to run a website your team used once has no authority over you. By contrast, if you're a federal worker, the chief executive (Trump) does have authority over you.

More importantly, a reasonable person is aware that Trump (who has authority) has tasked DOGE to search for people who can be fired. Therefore, a reasonable person will conclude that the email from DOGE is in line with their charge, and is authorized by a person with authority over you.

For that reason, I reject the analogy. This situation is *not* like getting a random email from a website. This situation is more like something I said earlier: your boss is Joe. Joe's boss is Sam. Sam brings in Bob to fire people. You get an email from Bob.

...in this case, replying to Bob, "UR NOT MY BOSS" is not a smart thing to do.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Logical fallacy: appeal to popularity.

Everything I've said in this thread is right. And the only responses have been lame personal attacks like calling me a fag or saying I've never had a job ...but also when someone brings up the military and I cite a parallel example from my military career, someone said me being an officer was why I'm wrong.

Holy shit, you're actually mentally ill.

 

[オプセック]

This is very typical of the responses here, and it's how I know that I'm right.

weird that you'd only engage that last meme post (which wasn't even directly targeting you anymore), when I laid out how the precedent of such orders might transfer to departments where no such explicit orders were given, which was one of my core contentions pages ago...

 

[byron]

Holy shit, you're actually mentally ill.

You only say that because you're not capable of presenting a rational argument.

weird that you'd only engage that last meme post, when I laid out how the precedent of such orders might transfer to departments where no such explicit orders were given, which was one of my core contentions pages ago...

If you feel I missed something, then please point it out to me.

At this point, after all the people calling me a fag and making up stuff I didn't say (like you hallucinating that I said to do something your boss explicitly said not to) - it is reasonable for me to doubt that I missed anything.

Sorry, but that's where we're at. It is not reasonable for you to ask me to scroll up pass all the "lol fag" and "you've never had a job" meaningless replies to find that one magical pearl of a substantive argument that you supposedly made.

If I missed something, repeat it. That's reasonable.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

You only say that because you're not capable of presenting a rational argument.

Mate, I couldn't even convince you to not choke out your boyfriend. How am I supposed to take you seriously after an argument like that? Especially if you also lie about your service in the army to win an Internet argument.

 

[Dr. Butt]

It makes me curious if any of the oil/mineral/money tycoons of older generations displayed similar behavior and only had kids for the sake of having progeny but otherwise just had baby mommas and nannies take care of them the entire time.

All rich people have been doing this since the beginning of fucking time, jesus christ. Are you seriously asking like you've never heard of this before?

 

[Drip Torch]

lol wtf? It sounds like you're angry that you can't make a good point in this thread.

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It's astounding to me that there are people in this thread who think the image above is a reasonable response.

Imagine your boss is named Joe. And Joe's boss is named Sam. One day, you see on TV that Sam has appointed someone named Bob to fire employees in your company.

The next day, you get an email from Bob asking you to please list 5 accomplishments.

...and you think reply, "I DONT REPORT TO BOB!!! I REPORT TO JOE!!!" is a smart thing to do?

Thankfully since I report to the state, not Federal (on this level) this doesn't apply to me. But there is no way that I would jump when someone who is not in my chain of command said too. It's clear that Elon, DOGE twinks or Trump dont have a clue to how government personnel operate. Not that they care, as long as they can have something to brag about on X. They only know how to create chaos that excites their ballwashers. This has nothing to do with efficiency. Plus that Trump is taunting the very people who work under him, which is true to form. This is a shitshow, simple as.

 

[Standardized Profile]

And that includes things like cabinet positions, departments, and other things authorized by Congress. And Elon Musk is completely not in that hierarchy. He's in some unelected thing called a "Department" but with no actual legal authority or statutory basis for its existence.

While it is commonly believed Elon Musk runs the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, and he seems to have great influence over it, he is not actually part of the US DOGE Service or the DOGE Service Temporary Organization. He's a presidential advisor and has no authority over anyone in the executive branch. That's why he never sends these little quests from his official email; he has his old interns send anonymous emails from hr@opm.gov (not even doge@eop.gov), and he uses his personal Twitter account to pile on the threats and bluster. Then he can play the "lol I was just pretending to be retarded" card.

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The idea of there being a significant number of ghost employees, or even a nonzero number of ghost employees, is absurd. Who volunteered their fingerprints and two forms of photo ID, and who keeps their PIV and/or clearance up to date? Who's issuing them PKI certificates to sign their midcycle and annual evals? Who's filling out their timesheets and certifying them? Who's going to mandatory meetings on their behalf? Who's maintaining their bank accounts for direct deposit? How is their nonexistence not noted every time a new supervisor does a meet-and-greet? Who's doing their annual training? Who's doing their annual equipment inventory? Most importantly, who's keeping the little light green on Teams?

 

[byron]

you also lie about your service in the army to win an Internet argument.

There's no evidence of my army service that you would accept.

The bottom line is that what I've said here is well-founded, and you cannot rebut any of it, and for some reason that makes you angry.

 

[College Ginger Packet]

Elon REEve Musk...?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You only say that because you're not capable of presenting a rational argument.


If you feel I missed something, then please point it out to me.

At this point, after all the people calling me a fag and making up stuff I didn't say (like you hallucinating that I said to do something your boss explicitly said not to) - it is reasonable for me to doubt that I missed anything.

Sorry, but that's where we're at. It is not reasonable for you to ask me to scroll up pass all the "lol fag" and "you've never had a job" meaningless replies to find that one magical pearl of a substantive argument that you supposedly made.

If I missed something, repeat it. That's reasonable.

We get it, you think billionaires are your friend and that you should feel honored to pay more in taxes so that Elon could get another tax break. You need to stop mindlessly consuming Fox News and Russian bot farm AI slop on social media.

 

[Bork Laser]

The idea of there being a significant number of ghost employees, or even a nonzero number of ghost employees, is absurd. Who volunteered their fingerprints and two forms of photo ID, and who keeps their PIV and/or clearance up to date? Who's issuing them PKI certificates to sign their midcycle and annual evals? Who's filling out their timesheets and certifying them? Who's going to mandatory meetings on their behalf? Who's maintaining their bank accounts for direct deposit? How is their nonexistence not noted every time a new supervisor does a meet-and-greet? Who's doing their annual training? Who's doing their annual equipment inventory? Most importantly, who's keeping the little light green on Teams?

According to this website: Some Jew in Brooklyn.

 

[Drip Torch]

A part of me wants to reply to DOGE Czar with

1. Cranked the hog.
2. Cranked the hog.
3. Cranked the hog.
4. Cranked the hog.
5. Responded to this stupid email.

 

[Blackhole]

@byron is a swarthoid that's absolutely obsessed with niggers and choking women. He is a turbosperg and probably Indian. Please stop replying to his bait, it gives him a boner.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Everyone giving their opinions about whether or not to reply to Elon's "what did you do last week" email is dumb.
There is only one way to reply.

This is what I did in the last week:

1. [REDACTED]
2. [REDACTED]
3. [REDACTED]
4. [REDACTED]
5. [REDACTED]

Preferably just use black bars and then link to whatever law it is they use when they answer FOIA requests to black out the parts about what donuts they were ordering half way through the JFK files.

Foolproof.

I would just say I was on vacation for every week this dumbass stunt keeps going on.

 

[TheMotherCucker]

Holy shit, you're actually mentally ill.

I love how it acts like this is a debate hall. There is no fallacy by appealing to popularity here either. This is a mosh pit dunking on Elon for being a pedophilic retard. The popularity of the sport is why it's done. This is for entertainment where appeal to popularity is the metric. He doesn't understand what a fallacy actually is. Committing the fallacy fallacy. This is like saying "ad hominem" in a roast. Like, hell yeah I'm insulting you, that's like, the point.

 

[byron]

Please stop replying to his bait, it gives him a boner.

It does honestly make me happy when I see that nobody is capable of rebutting a position I hold. I can't be sure that I'm right unless my ideas survive being testing. The biggest "fuck you" that anyone can ever deliver to me is to prove me wrong.

Calling me names, on the other hand, is demonstrating that you can't prove me wrong.

I love how it acts like this is a debate hall.

this is a threaded discussion forum. In any discussion, if someone says something that is factually incorrect, multiple people will correct them. That's the way it is in every forum, including this one.

If I said something like, "Elon Musk will be the next president" guess what the replies would be - the replies would link me to article 2 of the constitution and tell me that Musk is not eligible.

That's what happens when you're wrong.

What happens when you're right, but you've triggered people? Well, triggered people lash out like children.

This isn't a "debate hall" but I am trouncing all of you in (what passes for) debate.

There is no fallacy by appealing to popularity here either.

Yes, there is. It's a fallacy here just like it's a fallacy on, for example, reddit. Getting downvoted on reddit doesn't make you wrong, it makes you unpopular.

Committing the fallacy fallacy.

No, the fallacy fallacy is saying that someone is wrong *because* they committed a fallacy. For example, if someone says, "the earth is round, retard" and someone else replies, "you used an ad-hom so that means the earth is flat" <--- that is the fallacy fallacy.

 

[johnkimble123]

I disagree with this analogy because the marketing department that happened to run a website your team used once has no authority over you. By contrast, if you're a federal worker, the chief executive (Trump) does have authority over you.

More importantly, a reasonable person is aware that Trump (who has authority) has tasked DOGE to search for people who can be fired. Therefore, a reasonable person will conclude that the email from DOGE is in line with their charge, and is authorized by a person with authority over you.

For that reason, I reject the analogy. This situation is *not* like getting a random email from a website. This situation is more like something I said earlier: your boss is Joe. Joe's boss is Sam. Sam brings in Bob to fire people. You get an email from Bob.

...in this case, replying to Bob, "UR NOT MY BOSS" is not a smart thing to do.

OPM is nobody's boss, it's a separate department. OPM = DOGE is not an assumption anybody should make. That's not how any functional business works.

Since you hate my analogy, I'm going to double down. If marketing sends me an email demanding to know what I'm doing, I should not have to assume that is from HR. In fact, HR@opm, using logic (not an Elon specialty) would tell me this is for OPM employees. OPM is a weird department that sets policy for the bulk of govt workers, but it is not govt HR. Not singling you out, I don't think most people get that.

I'm employed, sorry emplyed, and have been at various places in my life, and I've never had to tell a random fuck what I did last week. See I'm using Elon's fucked up logic of running shit like a business, and it even fails that test. It's ok to accept that Elon is a shitty boss and at best, he had some pull as a marketing/face of the company once upon a time, but he does nothing for any company he touches to make it better.

 

[byron]

OPM is nobody's boss, it's a separate department.

I didn't say DOGE (or OPM) was anyone's boss.

Why is it so difficult for you to focus your mind and respond to the things I actually said??

Explain to me how it's possible that you read this:

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a reasonable person is aware that Trump (who has authority) has tasked DOGE to search for people who can be fired. Therefore, a reasonable person will conclude that the email from DOGE is in line with their charge, and is authorized by a person with authority over you.
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And you typed out, "but OPM is nobody's boss" and hit send. Explain it to me.

OPM = DOGE is not an assumption anybody should make.

No, that excuse isn't going to fly. This is national news. 100% of federal employees are fully aware of the source of the email. Absolutely none of them are confused and think it's a fishing email.

Furthermore, "list five things you accomplished" is not a significant ask. It should take you about 5 minutes to think about it (and feel free to think in the shower or while taking a shit) and then about 1 minute to type.

So the email is not a big deal, and every federal employee knows that it comes from the person that their boss' boss' boss.... etc. etc. has appointed to send it.