Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Nopenopenope]

So Zelensky couldn't get enough votes to legitimize his presidency yesterday, right? Guess what, they voted again to get the result he wants and got it right the second time.

Ukraine proving that they do belong in the EU after all, running votes/elections etc until the desired result is achieved is how things are done there too.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

And here we go, followup on that warning from the Russians last week or just a coincidence?

turns out the "terrorists" are 2 old ass french boomers (48 and 59 yo)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukraine-peace-talks-donald-trump-russia-war-200-billion-kremlin-us-politics-g20/

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Hi9ay

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/ukraines-zelenskyy-proposes-prisoner-swap-to-jumpstart-peace-talks-with-russia-all-for-all-101740391855178.html

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/7f4Bz

 

[RealNigNog]

The EU leaders are so stupid oh my God. Are they all mentally retarded there? The fuck happened? France, Britain, and Germany used to have so many great, brave, and smart men. But what happened now? Did WW2 really kill ALL normal-minded people and only complete perverts, cowards, and RETARDS were the ones who survived?

 

[Radola Gajda]

Map is made by weeb Union guy so there is decent chance it is real. And if not it will happen sooner or later.
Kursk is counter terrorist operation for Russians so whoever is stuck there is fucked.
Also it is one of last sources of Ukropium and with negotiations it makes sence to finally close it and remove "leverage" Zelensky has.

 

[Male Idiot]

The EU leaders are so stupid oh my God. Are they all mentally retarded there? The fuck happened? France, Britain, and Germany used to have so many great, brave, and smart men. But what happened now? Did WW2 really kill ALL normal-minded people and only complete perverts, cowards, and RETARDS were the ones who survived?

Tldr answer is yes.

The long answer is more than 70 years of mutt brainwashing and internal sabotage that sometimes had the KGB help along.

 

[Tub of Absinthe]

If the EU pulls the lever on "steal all of Russia's offshore money reserves" it's going to be so fucking funny, the fallout would be unimaginable.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

If the EU pulls the lever on "steal all of Russia's offshore money reserves" it's going to be so fucking funny, the fallout would be unimaginable.

Would you care to elaborate? I am not a financier so I have very basic understanding of possible consequences.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Would you care to elaborate? I am not a financier so I have very basic understanding of possible consequences.

It would destroy much trust in "rules based order" in international finance for countries that aren't in NATO (or even ones that are).

 

[Uncle Holter]

If the EU pulls the lever on "steal all of Russia's offshore money reserves" it's going to be so fucking funny, the fallout would be unimaginable.

That might legitimately start WW3 if Putin decides to retaliate against the bankers.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Would you care to elaborate? I am not a financier so I have very basic understanding of possible consequences.

If EU banks are allowed to steal Russian assets they were trusted to hold and redistribute them to the country they're at war with that sets a precedent. No sovereign nation on earth would hold assets in those places any more. EU banks collapse. The end.

 

[Combustion Engine]

If the EU pulls the lever on "steal all of Russia's offshore money reserves" it's going to be so fucking funny, the fallout would be unimaginable.

This happens in every war. US did it with Japanese (after China hijinks, before PH), German and other Axis assets in WWII, and by the end of it there was nothing to give back even if they wanted (lmao). Might as well start treating it like a real one.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This happens in every war. US did it with Japanese (after China hijinks, before PH), German and other Axis assets in WWII, and by the end of it there was nothing to give back even if they wanted (lmao). Might as well start treating it like a real one.

Global finance was nowhere near as critically intertwined as it is now. The sums aren't comparable either.

 

[Betonhaus]

Would you care to elaborate? I am not a financier so I have very basic understanding of possible consequences.

If they do that would Russia just take more Ukraine in compensation?

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

If they do it there will be no trader with Russia-EU trade for next decade. What is the point of investing on foreign assets if they just gonna steal them.
That means no gas, no oil, no metal, etc.
And they dont really have alternative tofall into. I call the bluff. They dont have the guts to do it to themselves.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

One of the strangest things about this war is the large number of Colombian mercs that go to the Ukraine in droves. I'm sure many are lured by what they think is easy money but there has to be something else to it as most Latin Americans are very well informed about the meatgrinder, and believe fighting Russia over the Ukraine, which they see as historically Russian, is extraordinarily stupid.

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-15C is 5F, certainly cold and freezing but a lot of Americans where it snows can deal with it, I have.

 

[Combustion Engine]

Global finance was nowhere near as critically intertwined as it is now. The sums aren't comparable either.

Three times larger than the combined amount in WWII. Leaving any geopolitical implications aside, this paper suggests it could also backfire straight on the numbers. That article calls it a "weapon up in its sleeve", but it's more of a last resort, double-edged sword. Something that policymakers have only lately begun to realize about muh sanctions.

[...] calibrated model simulations suggest that seizing today’s Russia’s immobilized sovereign assets would lead to an increase in interest rate on U.S. government bonds of 60 basis points—assuming, as per the current sanction regime, that access of the Central Bank of Russia to U.S. financial markets is restricted—resulting in higher U.S. interest rate payments that would outweigh the amount of assets in case they were seized already after about three years.

U.S. risk-free rates react much more—they increase persistently by up to almost 60 basis points. This reflects the fact that Russia no longer buys U.S. bonds but only gold—which reduces demand for U.S.bonds. Such an increase in interest rates has material consequences for the sanctioning country. With U.S. public debt held by the public at USD 26.5 trillion end-2023, this would translate into higher interest rate payments of almost USD 160 billion per year — which would outweigh the amount of assets in case they were seized after three years.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

-15C is 5F, certainly cold and freezing but a lot of Americans where it snows can deal with it, I have.

Have you had to use a crowbar to chip deeply frozen human corpses away from the frozen mud they've been laying in for days/weeks and then try to carry them away?

I don't know what you're even trying to say here. Guys from a tropical jungle can't handle the cold, haha!

Ok?

 

[Mr Komo]

This happens in every war. US did it with Japanese (after China hijinks, before PH), German and other Axis assets in WWII, and by the end of it there was nothing to give back even if they wanted (lmao). Might as well start treating it like a real one.

That's the fun part. The only precedents for this in the past are countries at war. But there is no war. Russia has not declared war, they started a limited special military operation. Ukraine has likewise never declared war.

 

[Lookie-lou]

One of the strangest things about this war is the large number of Colombian mercs that go to the Ukraine in droves. I'm sure many are lured by what they think is easy money but there has to be something else to it as most Latin Americans are very well informed about the meatgrinder, and believe fighting Russia over the Ukraine, which they see as historically Russian, is extraordinarily stupid.

USA mindraped the fuck out of lonely Columbian boys over the drug wars. These morons think that fighting against putler will somehow topple Chavez's ghost and then Gran Colombia will be reformed or whatever..

Truth of the matter is much as all former neocon project these days: Venezuela, Cuba and even these soldier of fortunes home ground of Colombia are full of people whom generationally know when to to ignore the imperialist noise because it just creates a lot of death and starvation. And if that comes, they know its fully the fault of off continent imperialist sanctioning.