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Should be a wild four years.

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zimzam88 said:
The trump wink to the guy who asked that question was hilarious. He loved it.

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It really is a funny thing. Like it borders autism levels now of not wanting to wear a suit, like Tim Pool never taking his beanie off. Even was asked by another nation head to dress properly, the man shrugs it off.

Also another poster talked about it earlier, but he really didn't have care in the world at that meeting and just seemed indifferent about shit. Like no sense of urgency. Did European nations gas him up that they're going to pickup the slack if US does pull out? Like he really didn't come off caring if US helped or not, unless it was to spill more blood.
 
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ADHD Concentration Camp said:
Yeah have some respect for the office! It’s not like this slob wears a t-shirt in the Oval Office every day or anything.
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Trump gave him a pass on his stupid outfit. Just like he gives Elon a pass on his stupid outfit.

But you don't get both - you only get to draw once.

I can totally understand why Trump is pissed the fuck off, because he's trying to help Ukraine get out of a bad situation (they're definitely not in a good one) and even preserve the neck of this fucking retard who won't bother with a suit, or at least "traditional Ukrainian dress" whatever that might be, and the fucktard won't even keep his yap shut. When you're negotiating from a bad position, even if you're helping someone negotiate from a bad position, you gotta do a little bit of diplomacy. You want Russia to get as little as possible, and it's much easier to do that if you're not fucking yelling at them the whole time.

Also it's clear Zelensky is a fucking idiot, because if the mineral deal is anything realistic, United States Companies are going to be raping Ukraine for wealth - which means that it'll officially be a country, but realistically it'll be a USA protectorate. Trump is going to have to get Putin to agree to that (both aren't stupid, they know they have a Kuwait being built), and to do that he needs the little yappy dog to shut the fuck up.
 
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InteracialBowelSyndrome said:
Starmer actually said he would put British troops on the ground in Ukraine, "As long as the US protected them."

Which means he wants US troops on the ground too.

He and half the EU want to get involved in a ground war in Ukraine.

Which would only lead to more war and enflame the situation.

Holy fuck, I can't believe that in this fucking day and age, US and China are litterally the only ones in the room who want an end to the war.

Fuck neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.
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The hand on that so many countries have for a war with Russia is wild, its like they think it will be like how everyone invaded iraq in 2003, they think it will be easier. So many people in the west think Russia will easy to beat.
 
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The Doom Slayer said:
"If you don't let criminals break into your house and rape/murder you you're going to jail."

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Man this thread moves fast.

I've been reading up on that California bill since a lot of guntwitter was mentioning it.

California, like the large majority of states, is surprisingly stand your ground, albeit through court decisions and jury instructions, not statutes like Florida. You are not obligated to retreat before defending against a deadly force threat with your own deadly defensive force.

The one bill seeks to remove that. Even worse, it also seems to remove presumptive protections during illegal forcible entries

Under the new bill, you have to attempt to retreat, if that can be accomplished with complete safety, before resorting to deadly force. While I do think that's a good personal policy, if it's law people are going to be second guessing themselves, and those split seconds of indecision will get people killed.

The bill still observes castle doctrine, that is, even if you otherwise had an obligation to retreat, that obligation is waived when in your home.

The real egregious thing about hte bill, and what Charlie Kirk was commenting on, was that it seems to remove deadly force presumptions.

In most (all?) states, if you encounter someone attempting to forcibly enter your house, you are given the presumption that you were facing an imminent deadly force threat. That, coupled with castle doctrine (meaning you don't have to retreat), makes shooting burglars and home invaders one of the most legally defensible shootings. The reasoning seems to be if someone is deliberately breaking down your door, and have the strength to do so, it's reasonable to assume they will turn that violence onto you once they're down with the door.

The proposed bills removes those presumptions. So, in addition to some niggers kicking down their door, the home owner now has to wait for them to manifest additional deadly force threats. And while the law abiding homeowner is waiting for that to happen, the home invaders will close the distance and stab them, or shoot them.


TLDR: This California lawmaker is a faggot and his bill will get law abiding people killed in their own homes.

EDIT: Oh yeah, it also takes away the ability to defend against forcible felonies unless the felony involves deadly force, i.e. armed robbery. Apparently, if your kid is being kidnapped but is otherwise not being harmed, whoops, sorry, you can't shoot the kidnapper.
 
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haha nice try using decade old data null, why don't we look at more recent data about the ukraine war itself 1(A) 2(A) 3(A)

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you mean women generally don't like war and don't support their husbands and sons being sent to their deaths for stupid reasons? nooooo my prejudiced views on women have failed me, i'm melting, i'm mellllttiinnngg

klab said:
It's census data. Whether Hispanics are White or not is debatable until we can get skin color on the census.
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race and ethnicity ARE separated on the census and have been since NINETEEN EIGHTY. you would know this if you took the census, but you didn't because you're a malding european faggot who just wanted to come in here and whine about america not footing the bill for your putin derangement syndrome war

every single image in their reports about the census data all have asterisks next to the white race percentage. if their data is so accurate why all the asterisks? it's because they're using jewish word tricks to purposefully conflate race and ethnicity to stick it to the goyim. every single definition for white will be "Non-Hispanic White" including the Census government pages themselves because they're gaming diversity bullshit

you can even go to the raw census data for 2020 and see the breakdown for yourself. look, you may say. the White box is only 61%. it's so small compared to a few decades ago. that's close to what all the glownigger propaganda charts told me! this is because you are an idiot. a buffoon. a simpleton. and, most importantly, a european. you are clueless. look a little further down where it helpfully shows you the tallied races if you include the "other" and "two or more" race selections. 71%, a comfortable majority, a difference made up by women and children who want to be speshul multiclassers and hispanics that got duped into thinking they're aztec or whatever by some youtube video made by an underemployed white historian. most of these people are whiter than the average italian guy in new york

this is all to make white people who statistically have a job and are actually productive to society feel like they should give up half their paychecks for niggers and wars on faraway continents

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@Get the rope Macaulay!
It’s not allowing me to quote your post properly for some reason

“You really think the EU has that much cash and arms they can shove into Zelensky's hands? from what i've seen they don't remotely have that money, every single time they said they'd give weapons its a pledge for shit to arrive in ukraine years from now. So unless they cut social services to shreds and risk endless riots they'd be fucked to try and give Zelensky a dime. Best case scenario Ukraine gets 5% of what the US could give them and instead of slow losses to Russia, they very quickly are overwhelmed.”

No I don’t think that. That’s exactly my point. If Europe wants to fund the Ukraine project like they are screeching about on X, they are going to have to shred their welfare state. Under normal circumstances, that is politically untenable. But now that they can publicly blame trump, they can cut the gibs in the name of democracy or whatever. The basic premise of my theory is that EU leadership knows what they have to do but up until now didn’t have the political capital to do it. They understand that trump is pulling the US out of Europe either way. So this gives them cover to paint destroying their social programs as a crusade against bad orange man, thus avoiding those riots you correctly point out. I don’t think it will work but it does make sense that that was the calculation
 
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phatdoobz420 said:
@Get the rope Macaulay!
It’s not allowing me to quote your post properly for some reason

“You really think the EU has that much cash and arms they can shove into Zelensky's hands? from what i've seen they don't remotely have that money, every single time they said they'd give weapons its a pledge for shit to arrive in ukraine years from now. So unless they cut social services to shreds and risk endless riots they'd be fucked to try and give Zelensky a dime. Best case scenario Ukraine gets 5% of what the US could give them and instead of slow losses to Russia, they very quickly are overwhelmed.”

No I don’t think that. That’s exactly my point. If Europe wants to fund the Ukraine project like they are screeching about on X, they are going to have to shred their welfare state. Under normal circumstances, that is politically untenable. But now that they can publicly blame trump, they can cut the gibs in the name of democracy or whatever. The basic premise of my theory is that EU leadership knows what they have to do but up until now didn’t have the political capital to do it. They understand that trump is pulling the US out of Europe either way. So this gives them cover to paint destroying their social programs as a crusade against bad orange man, thus avoiding those riots you correctly point out. I don’t think it will work but it does make sense that that was the calculation
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EU niggas be like "Press blue button for muslim rapists or red button for Ukraine" lmao
 
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This might actually be worse than not showing up in a suit (and not hiring a translator for a language where you kinda need one.)

For those who don't recognize the names, almost all of the pictured tweets are from prime ministers and presidents... Who have all just received a halfass copypaste response like they'd been left on voicemail. Zelenskyy has insulted just about everyone who might have offered Ukraine assistance. Watching Zelenskyy today gives me the feeling of being the older brother watching the younger brother fail at something easy in the video game. Stop fucking everything up and just give me the controller; all you have to do to beat this level is keep pressing the A button. Yet Zelenskyy presses B. Fascinating.
 
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cugel said:
The hand on that so many countries have for a war with Russia is wild, it’s like they think it will be like how everyone invaded iraq in 2003, they think it will be easier. So many people in the west think Russia will easy to beat.
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IMO Russia took enough of a beating in the war that they aren’t a threat to the us anymore. The only reason they’re still a threat to Europe is because Europe is retarded. We shouldn’t waste money on people who won’t defend themselves.
 
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