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That's an interesting development if true, the Norwegians aren't part of the European Union proper but they are very associated with it.
Let's fuckin' get it. Everyone wants to get their nut up, fine by me. Uncle Sam's been quiet in the corner for a while.
no bullshit, if Europe actually wants to REALLY step up and be their own thing good on them, competition leads to excellence
 
no bullshit, if Europe actually wants to REALLY step up and be their own thing good on them, competition leads to excellence
They literally don't know how. The entire ideology of the EU is modern liberal managerialism. In their minds war's are impossible because all human interactions follow algorithmic outcomes of behavior and if an error occurs its not a failure of the system. There just weren't enough people managing the system and created a blind spot. The solution therefore is not to alter the system. Its to hire more managers. The idea that Europe would have to fight a war is impossible because if it did then that means their proper management failed. And it can't fail.
 
Trans rights activists storm the Iowa State Capitol as lawmakers consider a bill to remove gender identity as a protected class


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Zelensky just said Vance is VP and this meeting was between him and Trump. Unbelievable. He just said Vance should have sat there and shut up.
To be fair, the previous VP he dealt with was a drunk retard. He's not used to someone with an above room temp IQ in that position.
 
so am I the only person who thinks that the zelensky-trump-vance freakout looked entirely staged?
the fact that Trump really can't act for shit seems to contradict it, but yeah this is an amazingly perfect shitstorm in every possible way
They literally don't know how
I know, but it would be nice
 
yes. you have no idea how bad this makes zelenesky look in ukraine if you think it was staged.
I can honestly see the warmongers behind him seeing this as a chance to dump him
get him tooted to the gills, convince him talking shit to Trump/Vance face is a brilliant plan, then "whoops guess cokehead has to go"
Z man might not have been in on the work but I can see a way some parties were
 
The only thing that may salvage the relationship is Zigger-man showing up at a MAGA rally with a hat
Nah, the relationship is toast for now. The war is going to drag on for another year in the hope that Russia breaks against the line. Zelensky basically says it will be difficult to fight without American support but fight on they will even if its going to be difficult.
 
so am I the only person who thinks that the zelensky-trump-vance freakout looked entirely staged?
It Trump comes out ahead in this in any way, the "it was staged" thing will echo throughout the next 10 years, even as Zelenskyy hangs off the gallows and the new Russian Governor of the Russian state of Ukraine promises immediate rebuilding efforts and an investigation into the wartime atrocities of the previous administration.
 
I just have a really hard time believing that this actually happened, when I was watching it live I was like, this is what the public has been conditioned to think can happen because it happens in tv shows and movies but this hasn't happened since, what, the fucking shoe? and that was two equals, not a suppliant and a patron.

The outgoing Clinton administration did a lot of protocol sabotage to the Obama administation and I noticed that the general public didn't get it because the general public no longer understands, well, having manners. But most of that sabotage was signalling to the other power players, not to us. This really feels like kayfabe.
 
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