Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

He gets elected because democracy in the 21st century is a joke and having a clown run the coming focal point for the world makes God piss Himself laughing.
Slight correction. He got elected because he got chosen by a particular oligarch whose name escapes me right now.

(Ironically he ran on peace with Russia among other things.)

That’s how politics works in 404. You don’t get elected without having the backing of an oligarch, even “pro Russian” Party of Regions had oligarch support.

What really says it all about Zelensky is that he last year jailed the oligarch who originally paid his and his party’s way, because the current crop of goons in the Ukrainian central administration got greedy and wanted a cut of his business empire.

He’s a piece of shit. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.
 
He kind of is.

It’s obvious how this plays out.

Trump stops funding Ukraine. Ukraine starts failing even harder and begs for more aid and boots in the ground from Europe.

Parts of Europe (including UK) agree, because Putin is a buwwy and heroes stand up for victims. Also Putin is trying to take over the world, we’ll be speaking Russian in ten years if we don’t blah blah.

Russia is now more directly at war with the rest of Europe. More white people dead. WW3 looms.

To Europe, Trump will be portrayed as a big nasty reckless meanie who defunded our + Ukraines defences, allowing Russian gains. Which “forced” Europe to fight harder to defend Ukraine. Which caused escalation of the war. Not that Europe kept pouring fuel on the fire of an unwinnable war.

Trump knows how the script of these theatrics will play out and has so far done nothing to avert it.
I don't understand this line of reasoning, since it works on this ignorant assumption that:
-EU and Europe are synonymous
-every European leader is a Reddit tier mongoloid hivemind
-every European leader would act like a mongoloid no matter what the US does

First of all, what the EU eurocrats say is separate from what European leaders say. The "Be strong, be brave, be fearless" xeets went out of EU leader accounts, not European leaders. It's a major difference, EU eurocrats can only somewhat steer what European countries can do, but European countries still have sovereignty over what they ultimately do.

Second of all, European leaders are much smarter than they make themselves look like. If they thoroughly drank the "fuck drumpf slava yookraeney" Kool-Aid then the EU help towards Ukraine wouldn't have ended on offloading parts of older military equipment while replacing it with brand new one from the US, since that's how most of it looked like.

Third and most importantly of all, who's to say that the decisions of Europeans leaders up to this point were made despite the fact that the US was doing all the heavy lifting in the Ukraine aid? Who's to say they won't do a 180 on supporting Ukraine the moment Trump pulls out of it?

Not to mention how each European country has it's own internal politics, and in each country, what the government and media says, and what the people actually think are two completely separate worlds. Europe is not a hivemind, and in some capacity European leaderships are aware that their geopolitical actions will affect the internal politics. Plus, the EU doesn't have direct control over what European countries do. See rising conflicts between Poles and Ukrainians in Poland despite being bombarded with pro-Ukrainian propaganda on the daily, and the current Polish government under the leadership of Donald Tusk allowing Polish miltary by the Belarussian border to shoot immigrants, something that the Eurocrats would never allow.

The way I see it is that it'll play out differently. Eurocrats will keep up their delusions, but many European leaderships, AKA people that actually have a say on what's gonna happen, will have a wake-up call.
I saw this chart being pushed.

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If you actually look at it for more then five seconds and think about Ukraine it's hilarious and shows how fucking useless the EU was.
Europe as a whole was very passive in their aid to Ukraine, because the US was doing all of the heavy lifting, basically using margins to show their unbridled support. But now with them gone, they'll calculate what it would cost to support Ukraine the same way US did. Most leaderships will realize that it's insanity, they still need their own military and helping Ukraine would mean destroying their own defenses, so they'll do a 180 on the support. It's possible some governments, like Germany's, will be so disillusioned they'll double down and drive themselves to further ruin. Rest assured that one way or the other, Zelensky's support from Europe will also dwindle from the result of the US backing out of providing aid.

Then, depending on whether or not Zelensky will face the truth or not, a few scenarios can happen:
-he'll still insist on fighting the war with rocks and sticks, if he really lost it, he will start to make asinine demands for European countries to send all of their military to Ukraine where they'll rightfully say he lost it and cut all support like the US, his own people will see that he has completely lost it, where he either gets assassinated and the new leadership becomes a wildcard or ultimately Poland will border with Russia as Ukraine loses the war proper,
-he finally wakes up and finally decides that it's time for peace now that he can't fight any longer, but even if he achieves it, it'll be on way, way worse terms than he'd have if he didn't chimp out at the White House, or better yet, realized that he wouldn't win those 1-2 years ago.

Not to mention that even if Trump pulls out of aiding Ukraine, this doesn't give Putin a clear path to a direct war with Europe. If you look at geopolitics like at a game of HOI4, sure. But the US has a lot to lose if Europe goes into full war with Russia. For example, if the Netherlands were to be nuked, that's ASML gone, and without ASML you have no semiconductors, and those Intel fabs in the US become useless the moment a Twinscan breaks, since TSMC is not the only dependency bottleneck in semiconductors that are super important in this day and age. Not to mention many many other little intricacies like that that would put Russia into direct conflict with the US if they wanted to do a Total Europe Death scenario. You have to be insanely ignorant if you think that the US is completely out of the equation in whatever happens between Europe and Russia just because the US doesn't help Ukraine anymore. Trump knows this, Putin knows this, they both know it would lead to WW3 and none of them will be dumb enough to let such a scenario happen.

This scenario could only happen if we'd assume the most ridiculous, exaggerated stereotypes and generalizations are the representation of reality, which obviously didn't help NAFOfags win the war with the army of troglodytes that didn't discover fire yet.
 
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This is about UN voting this week, but somewhat applies here
Rough translation:
Wait a fucking minute
Autobalancer has gone nuts
You are now on red!
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neo-banderism, which is what has ruled Ukraine since their 2nd colour revolution; is a maximalist ethno-supremacist cult pretending to be a cargo cult of western goods to get what it needs for victory. Any capitulation is an automatic lynching for any leader of Ukraine.

At least it seems it will be until every man with most of his ancestry west of Vinnytsia between the age of 15-80 is dead. Zelensky is doing a masterclass of that.
But he's going to get shot in the head anyway when reality makes it impossible to maintain the delusion, by which time Ukraine will be worse off for not making any concessions and he'll be the scapegoat. I'd be surprised if there weren't any rumors behind the scenes in Queef that he might accept Putin's protection. We know, he knows and the Banderites know he knows that he's not playing with the same stakes as a typical diplomat.
 
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He clearly hasn't been the one in charge of the war. The country is non-functioning and propped up by others paying the bills. What does Ukraine even look like once the war is over? It's a mess and he'll be the face of that. Not those that orchestrated it. He probably has no clue what comes next and probably doesn't want to be responsible.

Now the puppet masters behind the scenes don't have the backing of the US President they have no actual power. Yet they're still pulling the strings and manipulating him and it'll just make things worse. He's being further strung out
The difference is that nobody is there to say "cut!" The puppet master probably moved on but Zelensky is still playing his role.
 
So this is the thing actually, having an armed force made of primarily Arab immigrants actually would be a smart move if the eu’s goal is to oppress the native European population. Putting refugees in power means they would have complete loyalty I would assume and would follow the globohomo elites in lockstep.
They wouldn't have any loyalty at all. Janissaries were brainwashed conscripts with no families or identity outside of being state slave-soldiers and even they were constantly pulling coups.
 
Since Trumps son knows about it, Musk knows about it and Vance knows about the forceful mobilizations I think that is Zelensky's cue to immediately apologize and start begging to Trump. The reason I say this is because the yesterday's massacre is going to be incomparable to rape Trump might commit on March 4th because I heard he is having a state of the union address on that day.....Its not a good look that you got into a shouting match with Trump and Vance and Trumps inner circle of friends are openly talking about your forceful mobilizations on Twitter all a few days away from a big speech event happening.
Imagine if Coach gets namedropped in the SOTU.
 
Are there any examples of soldiers disobeying orders because of their religion in recent history?
In America during WW1 (and maybe WW2) there were instances of Amish and Mennonite Christians being imprisoned for refusing to register for the draft on account of their religion being strongly pacifist.

Edit: Maybe that doesn't count though, as they didn't become soldiers to begin with.
 
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They wouldn't have any loyalty at all. Janissaries were brainwashed conscripts with no families or identity outside of being state slave-soldiers and even they were constantly pulling coups.
Let me put it this way: the loyalty of a mercenary is based on pay, right? The problem is that if you hold military power, you also control the circumstances of your pay. A mercenary army will always be disloyal shits. I'm no Medievalist, so I'm talking out my ass, but didn't Manzikert destroy the Eastern Roman Empire with a mercenary army flipping to a higher bidder?
 
Just a European chickenhawk I found on Twitter:
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Easy to send your ex-countrymen to die when you live in a country thousands of miles away that has opted out of the war you advocate for.

More tweets from this genius:
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Stanford, back when they were a good school. was one of the top military R&D labs in the world. Today, they hire people like this to research "Human-Centered AI", whatever that is:
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Let me put it this way: the loyalty of a mercenary is based on pay, right? The problem is that if you hold military power, you also control the circumstances of your pay. A mercenary army will always be disloyal shits. I'm no Medievalist, so I'm talking out my ass, but didn't Manzikert destroy the Eastern Roman Empire with a mercenary army flipping to a higher bidder?
Besides bidding wars causing them to flip sides willy-nilly, the other problem with mercenaries is they want to get paid to fight as many battles as possible, which means staying alive as long as possible, by avoiding risks whenever possible. So mercenary armies weren't really concerned with winning and tended to chicken out if they thought a battle was too challenging/dangerous. I can't think of specific examples atm, but I know the Western Roman Empire had problems with mercenaries fleeing battles at the appearance of challenging circumstances, which would cause battles to be lost that were otherwise winnable.

Tying this back to current events- I wonder if Ukraine's lack of progress is at least partially because of mercenaries not taking risks so they can stay alive and keep being paid.
 
Hey, you know who else has oil and tankers, and competitive pricing? RUSSIA!
Alternatively we can just stop power projecting across our "big beautiful ocean". I think it's a good middle ground. And we can't have a ground force without naval support. So we should pull our bases too.
 
I always had two videos saved.
One for a scenario where Russia would win, which then I'd play this - https://youtu.be/ZrsYD46W1U0?t=754
Then there is the case if Ukraine were to somehow push Russia out of their borders, I'd play this - https://youtu.be/Itdm46ZVLfA?t=177
I think it's getting closer and closer that I might be listening to the first.
 
teal a lot of his stuff to post on the Farms.

Just a European chickenhawk I found on Twitter:
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Easy to send your ex-countrymen to die when you live in a country thousands of miles away that has opted out of the war you advocate for.

More tweets from this genius:
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Stanford, back when they were a good school. was one of the top military R&D labs in the world. Today, they hire people like this to research "Human-Centered AI", whatever that is:
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I quickly scanned this guy's Shitter and found this gem.... Pure faggotry.

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