Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Susanna]

To be fair I've never tried playing hearts of Iron 4 under the influence of cocaine, if I ever do I'll let you guys know if its anything like his leadership.

Nah, cocaine doesn’t make you into a lunatic. I could micromanage a HOI4 game all night if I do a line first. I suppose you would get some tunnel vision if you get into a flow of just focusing on one front for a time, but in general coke is very much a performance enhancer.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Looks like a new NPC update just dropped, and they loaded some new phrases for them to use against people they don't like:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=rootless%20cosmopolitan&hl=en-US

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But it's just a rehash of CCCP programming.

When you have no rebuttal call everyone an npc. why would honest ukrainian men run away instead of defending their homes from russian invaders? they don't want to die! why would honest ukrainian men have to be shanghaied off the street into UAF service instead of enlisting to protect their homeland? they don't want to die.

no one wants to die, but somethings are worth fighting and dying for. Ukraine as a nation isn't one of them. ukrainians wont fight for it, its european neighborhs wont fight for it, so america doesnt have to fight or support it.

 

[オプセック]

Nah, cocaine doesn’t make you into a lunatic. I could micromanage a HOI4 game all night if I do a line first. I suppose you would get some tunnel vision if you get into a flow of just focusing on one front for a time, but in general coke is very much a performance enhancer.

Uh, I won't go all out on this, but coke IS more on the overall "uplifting" side, that's why people like it and why it's relatively expensive compared to all the prescription "meth" type of stuff.
The latter is more on the sterile "wakey, wakey" side in my book.
P.S.: Actual meth is garbage, ofc.

 

[Cuckoman]

Arent the chinks one steal away from muh nanometers?

Probably. They have an enormous number of top-shelf engineers and scientists. They absolutely have the people and the skills to do it if they are forced to.
It will be expensive and probably never be profitable due to the small market for this but it would likely be possible.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Kiev's success in slowing down the Russians is entirely based on their ability to dig in incredibly hard, forcing the Russians to use heavy equipment to blast them out, and using drones to destroy said equipment when it gets concentrated. Abandoning what is effectively modern island hopping for a "elastic defense" when you lack air superiority and heavy equipment to conduct big counter offensives and win meeting engagements is so stupid that I not only doubt the claim, but believe that if Ukraine tries this, they'll revert back to digging in wherever possible. Rzhev and Kursk showed that with time, even flat, open terrain can be turned into a defensive nightmare, and Ukraine's had more than enough time to prepare.

That's not correct. This is a war of attrition, and as US materiel and money dwindles the AFU will re-enact the retreat of the Wehrmacht/SS from the Eastern Front, and the advance of the RuAF will resemble Operation Bagration.

I remind you that the Red Army launched its counterattack in June 1944 and the Victory Flag wasn't raised over the Reichstag until nearly a year later, on 8 May 1945 (exactly 80 years ago btw). The RuAF, as the successor to the Red Army, does not follow US military doctrine (neither does the Ukraine, they are still using Soviet era tactics). This has been a grind because that that what's going to win this war, and it's working.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

why would honest ukrainian men run away instead of defending their homes from russian invaders?

Maybe they see the Western profiteer ghouls as the invaders?

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Maybe they see the Western profiteer ghouls as the invaders?

Euromaidan was our 100% fault for sure, but 11 years later your brain should say "wait a minute, we got coopted by globohomo!" like the US and WMDs.

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-strikes-training-ground-during-formation-resulting-in-mass-casualties-ukraines-military-says/

Ukrians hold a drill on a parade ground, rooski drone sees it, parade grounds get blown up. massive losses by the sound of it.

 

[オプセック]

no one wants to die, but somethings are worth fighting and dying for. Ukraine as a nation isn't one of them. ukrainians wont fight for it, its european neighborhs wont fight for it, so america doesnt have to fight or support it.

Most nations aren't worth the paper they exist on.
If you really happen to be a citizen where that isn't the case, you won't even hesitate to heed the call.
So, to any sane person that shit isn't Ukraine specific.
War is a business and when you are doing the fighting, YOU are the sucker 9 out of 10 times.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Most nations aren't worth the paper they exist on.
If you really happen to be a citizen where that isn't the case, you won't even hesitate to heed the call.
So, to any sane person that shit isn't Ukraine specific.
War is a business and when you are doing the fighting, YOU are the sucker 9 out of 10 times.

As american we had great pride in our country til the dems made trannies a thing by law. hopefully a post maga america will be worth fighting for again.

 

[HalHalliday]

That's more of an inherent, capitalist fallacy than a socialist one. People like Trump will call themselves "builders" when they never laid one brick in their entire lives, because they think money "does" and they have all the money. Not saying socialists don't exhibit lots of dissociation, but this one is coming from the other camp. Still affects both, because neither side manged to ever do away with money.

I don't want to derail the discussion into political sperging, but allow me to say this:

I agree with you in principle. Both have this dissociative issue - Berle and Means, over 100 years ago, observed the alienation of corporate ownership from its control. However, being for-profit at least somewhat grounds its managers in reality, unlike bureaucrats in government, especially in a supranational entity like the EU. Therefore, I believe it's more of a socialist fallacy than a capitalist one.
After all, if you think a for-profit company is bad, just wait and see how bad a non-profit company can be.

The funny thing about Trump is that he's a billionaire New Yorker who has never laid a brick in his life, yet he's still more in touch with reality - and, by extension, with ordinary Americans - than any bureaucrat or career politician.
I wouldn't say he believes it's just the money that does the work the way an EU apparatchik does.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Without US support, can Ukraine fight Russia for another year without folding all of its territory?

I would like to remind you that despite all of Trump's bluster and posturing, the US aid to Ukraine has not yet been cancelled and he has just extended sanctions on Russia. Watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying.

 

[dvorak]

UPA flag made an appearance at a protest in Chicago yesterday. Reading the comments of the post, there are more than a few aware of it's 'nationalist' connotations, but it apparently just so happens to keep on appearing at every Ukraine protest in the Windy City. How curious!






Something, something Nazi sitting at a table with 10 other people blah blah blah, right Reddit friend?

https://old.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1j2aj85/todays_march_for_ukraine/

http://web.archive.org/web/20250304000411/https://old.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1j2aj85/todays_march_for_ukraine/

I would like to remind you that despite all of Trump's bluster and posturing, the US aid to Ukraine has not yet been cancelled

You sure about that?

 

[Chapalapachapa]

https://x.com/business/status/1896710626942005735

Zelensky bros?

 

[GrandDriveAuto]

https://x.com/business/status/1896710626942005735

Zelensky bros?

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I would like to remind you that despite all of Trump's bluster and posturing, the US aid to Ukraine has not yet been cancelled.

Now that aged like milk FAST.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

UPA flag made an appearance at a protest in Chicago yesterday.

Same in NYC-lower and upper left side of the crowd.

 

[Onepumpplumpchump]

Whelp the other thread is coping and seething about this. Maybe if Zelensky would have fucking kept his mouth shut we would be in a different situation.

 

[Betonhaus]

Whelp the other thread is coping and seething about this. Maybe if Zelensky would have fucking kept his mouth shut we would be in a different situation.

Have they gone into another purity spiral go get wrong think banned from the thread?

 

[Onepumpplumpchump]

Have they gone into another purity spiral go get wrong think banned from the thread?

I see someone else about to get threadbanned over there right now for using to much logic. Don't want to stir the pot anymore.

 

[Betonhaus]

I see someone else about to get threadbanned over there right now for using to much logic. Don't want to stir the pot anymore.

Do the ones that are thread banned from the come over here or just seeth in silence

 

[Feline Supremacist]

https://x.com/business/status/1896710626942005735

Zelensky bros?

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