What do you think is causing the male loneliness epidemic? - And what could be done about it?

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Over the last couple of decades, there's been a noticeable rise in young men struggling with loneliness, dating, and social isolation. Virginity rates among men under 30 have skyrocketed, and many report feeling disconnected from society.

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What do you think is causing this? Social media? Changing gender dynamics? Economic struggles? A combination of factors? Curious to hear different perspectives.
 
The shift from physical space to digital. Older generations went to the theaters, the local restaurant, bars, parks, etc.
We have also lost most competitive outlets and engage in surrogate activities that are both passive and isolated like viewing sports, or playing video games.
All your shopping is online so you won't meet people of similar interests buying hobby products.
The decline of religion has removed another physical space.
As work has shifted from industry to service the necessity for multiple people working on the same task has diminished and its common to find yourself in a skeleton crew with very few if any co-workers during your shift.
 
I don't really get this honestly. What do guys think men hanging out is supposed to be like? I spent a few weeks hanging out with my brother in law a little while ago. We rebuilt a cube truck. We spent the days cutting metal and welding and shit. We didn't hang out chitty chatting and talking about our feelings. Maybe if men spent less time watching cartoons and playing with children's toys they wouldn't be so lonely?
 
That chart specifies 'Zero Female Sex Partners' which is curious
Does male loneliness only count in regards to proximity to women and not other men in this case?
I was thinking the same thing actually.

I don't really get this honestly. What do guys think men hanging out is supposed to be like? I spent a few weeks hanging out with my brother in law a little while ago. We rebuilt a cube truck. We spent the days cutting metal and welding and shit. We didn't hang out chitty chatting and talking about our feelings. Maybe if men spent less time watching cartoons and playing with children's toys they wouldn't be so lonely?
I think it's more a problem that men have given up on trying to find a female partner. The prospect of dating a feminist is not very appealing
 
I think it's more a problem that men have given up on trying to find a female partner. The prospect of dating a feminist is not very appealing
That sounds like something that's entirely their own decision then. I'm still not getting this.

>men decide all women are feminists and don't bother trying to meet or talk to women
>men feel lonely because of something they decided to do
>this is somehow a societal problem

I guess I just find this confusing because I actually go outside and interact with people and other than the very obvious dangerhairs and weirdos you can see coming a mile away I don't really find women to be particularly feminist or man hating. I end up having random conversations with women in public pretty regularly.
 
Not enough of the surplus males Nature ensures are born are now killed at an early age by violence, war, or dangerous labour. The surplus is hanging around complaining loudly. Nature did not shape our species so that all of you get to reproduce. This is a shame for the individuals who make up the surplus, but nothing can be done about it. You could have some big meat grinder wars. That would definitely improve the living standards and prospects of the survivors.
 
For the last time, the issue is not the lack of sex. Stop putting so much importance on sex, that's how you get incels that go crazy that they cannot get laid before they hit the magical age of 30, or that they are forever furious because they didn't get laid before the age of 18 like "everybody else". Men lost their virginity past their 30's and started families in their 40's throughout history, it's meaningless bullshit that keeps distracting people from the real problem.

The real issue of male loneliness is exactly that, loneliness. No sense of belonging, no sense of brotherhood, no one to talk to or meet. Throughout ancient history, such places existed, such as Greek gymnasiums or Roman thermae. Those weren't just gyms and bathhouses, those were places where men of various ages and backgrounds met each other, exchanged knowledge and grew as people. Nowadays there's no such places. The closest you'll get are gyms, but those are not only mixed spaces, but more and more people just go there to put on earbuds, work out and leave, which makes them less and less of a social area. Not only do men have less and less spaces to meet at, more and more men lock themselves out of it, amplifying the issue even further.

So with the death of those male exclusive places and the rise of digital isolation, you get men that roam around aimlessly, cannot find their place in life, try everything to find it, including digital detox, and eventually develop depression. Everyone will foolishly associate their loneliness with a lack of sexual partner, but the issue is much, much worse than that. They have no one. Not even other men to talk to, and men need to talk to other men. Men also have feelings, men also have problems, men also have moments of weakness. If they're told on every step by everyone, both men and women, to just "man up" and magically wave those problems away because "they're a man" will inevitably lead to this negative feedback loop to reach it's peak, leading to the rise in male suicide. But of course everyone will point to every possible reason besides this one simple fact, because everyone refuses to even acknowledge it's a problem.

Men need other men, this is the real issue of today's world, and it's the real definition of male loneliness. Lack of female partners has nothing to do with it, and if you keep emphasizing that it is, you're part of the problem.
 
Men need other men, this is the real issue of today's world, and it's the real definition of male loneliness. Lack of female partners has nothing to do with it, and if you keep emphasizing that it is, you're part of the problem.
We need to destigmatize platonic handies. One of the biggest psyops the Jews ever pulled was equating homosexual activity with being gay.
 
Curious to hear different perspectives.
All those monkey brain needs that would once force you to proactively get out for social activities, for the most part, can be easily replaced with the phone in your pocket at any time of the day wherever you are, at an increasingly more customized and personal level, for no risk nor effort whatsoever. This effect is compounded by the algorithms and their effect on their perception of the world. Just as a dumb example, someone may compare themselves to exceptional individuals outside their expected social circles and class, publicized online, tanking the estimation of their own self-worth. I don't think we've hit the worst of this yet and tech will only make it more efficient.
Those weren't just gyms and bathhouses, those were places where men of various ages and backgrounds met each other, exchanged knowledge and grew as people. Nowadays there's no such places.
There's a concept for that, third places. It's a serious issue they are slowly disappearing from most people's lives. Some may not even have experienced them.
 
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