Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

That sounds like mincing words and actually doing conscription like in Ukraine.

There was one wave of conscription in 2022 and after that there hasn't been a single other one. It is currently 2025.

You're either retarded or being wilfully ignorant/dishonest. Half your posts in this thread are repeating propaganda and having to be told no stalker child you're talking out your ass.

 

[オプセック]

There was one wave of conscription in 2022 and after that there hasn't been a single other one. It is currently 2025.

You're either retarded or being wilfully ignorant/dishonest. Half your posts in this thread are repeating propaganda and having to be told no stalker child you're talking out your ass.

>can ukies make relevant gains before trump cuts them off?
>>NO
>Are there norks?
>>maybe a few, not many and not on the front lines - no confirmation
>Aren't Ruskies a conscript army themselves?
>>Yes, but Putin halted conscription as of now.

YOU: Whoa, very derangement, much propaganda!

Really? Ouch!

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

There was one wave of conscription in 2022 and after that there hasn't been a single other one. It is currently 2025.

You're either retarded or being wilfully ignorant/dishonest. Half your posts in this thread are repeating propaganda and having to be told no stalker child you're talking out your ass.

My understanding is that Russia has a mandatory service requirement anyway (universal conscription policy) so "calling up the reserves" is really just re-enlisting former conscripts. Splitting hairs with more word games. Is that accurate? I really don't know.

 

[Kane Lives]

I don't buy the latest "we've cut off the aid" meme:

1. Trump said he would pull out of Syria too. The Pentagon said: "Lol, that's adorable. We're going nowhere."
2. Starlink is still operating in Ukraine.
3. Most of this aid is being delivered clandestinely, meaning that Trump's current position in non-falsifiable.

This.

We'll know the US is real if Musk phones his engineers and told them to shut it all down. Until then, this is a lot of kabuki,

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The memes will continue until morale improves.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Is this the 3rd time he said he is going to sign the agreement? DJT needs to keep him on read till he signs the agreement and gets it passed in the legislator branch, otherwise it's just another publicity stunt. How many more times is he going to renege on signing on the deal? Probably till DJT promises to nuke Russia so infinitely

This would be the 5th, 2 with Biden and 2 with Trump, he was offered in September last year if Trump won the election and he fucked them around and went to campaign with the Dems. 4th was Friday.

See I think it is 50/50 on Kabuki just because Trump was actually pissed off and he is actually a patient person. Zelensky I think is scrambling because he knows the Coalition of the willing is pretty unwilling. He is so obsessed with wanting to be in NATO though that he does not understand that is the reason for Putin's advancement into Ukraine, to stop that outcome.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Here is a German general from 1919 laughing about creating Ukraine through propaganda and plainly stating Ukraine is fake, gay and definitely retarded.
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"General Hoffmann" was this guy by the way

 

[Fapcop]

It’s been a year since Russian stormtroopers crawled a kilometer through old, Soviet era tunnels to get behind enemy lines and capture the fortress of Avdeyvka.

https://en.topcor.ru/57260-k-godovschine-vzjatija-avdeevki-rubezh-kotoryj-zastavil-poverit-v-sebja.html

The capture was a turning point of the war, a good article if anyone is interested.

I think the nazis, specifically porsche, did a gasoline-electric tiger, it sucked. super heavy, sunk in all the time. People forget how heavy the windings of high torque motors like that get. That's all weight wasted which you could've put into armor.

Yes, Ferdinand Porsche sperged for years about his electrical drive tank.

It was a shit idea then, and it’s a shit idea now. Russians are blowing up the power grids left and right, how the F would the logistics work during a war?

Pretty sure some MIC stooge will get the incredibly bright idea to mount portable generators on armored vehicles (at the low, low price of 20 million dollars each!) and drive around near the front line together with huge diesel trucks to recharge the tanks.

At least in Ferdinand Porsche’s case the Germans got the Elephant/Ferdinand panzerjager out of it, which was arguably pretty cool.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant

Given the competency crisis, in NATOs case, it’ll likely end with some 20 billion dollar program that manages to make a handful of electric tanks in a decade, that will proceed to get cut once everyone realizes how retarded it is.

 

[IKOL]

There was one wave of conscription in 2022 and after that there hasn't been a single other one. It is currently 2025.

Incorrect statements by both of you freckless bitches. And what you both call up "conscription" there (thanks to retarded newsmedia as per usual) was mobilisation. Yeah we had one at Year 1 of the conflict but never since.
Actual conscription never stopped, and still is a thing. Though you don't send mobiks to the warzone, they are just kids-to-grownups (18 to approx 27 if conscription age bar haven't went up after my departure, which is doubtful since I never heard of anyone in their 30 being conscripted) that have no skill, no knowledge and definitely not feeling keen to be the takers of the human life if there will be such a need.
Those who have signed off the contract though... That's whole other can of worms and a matter of different talk.
That is out of the way, next.

so if you ever did your 2 year mandatory service,

Mandatory service for conscript is one year. Not two. Two for those how have decided to sign up a military contract withough military experience, avoiding conscription but still eager to serve the country. Needless to say such individuals are still treated like mobiks correction: conscripts, and for good reasons.
The general military contract lenght is 3 years. + half a months if you're conscripted dolboeb who have decided it'd be neat to sign up the contract during your conscript days.

 

[ilovejews]

Trump and Vance sure made themselves look like belligerent asses. Was that the point?

The point is that Zelensky and Ukraine as a whole are Trump's bitches. As is the entirety of EU.
And all of them needed a reminder of this fact. Besides, what you're gonna do about it?

 

[IKOL]

Trump and Vance sure made themselves look like belligerent asses. Was that the point?

To show the mutts why disengaging with hohols was the only option.
AND EVEN THEN MUCH OF THESE RETARDS HAVEN'T.

Because you can't simply do the reprogramming of entire fucking movement that are oink-oink shills, one have to put way more effort to show that "the president" of oink-oink is jewnigger who don't want peace, he strive for war.

And no, they weren't hostile, at first. sieglensky's idiocy was the trigger, when he have started to say dumb shit that was a direct threat that US citizens will die for this swine shit land regardless if they want it or not. That US will get hurt, no matter if they will stand together with jewnigger clown or withdraw from this shitshow they themselves have fueled up prior.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Incorrect statements by both of you freckless bitches. And what you both call up "conscription" there (thanks to retarded newsmedia as per usual) was mobilisation. Yeah we had one at Year 1 of the conflict but never since.
Actual conscription never stopped, and still is a thing. Though you don't send mobiks to the warzone, they are just kids-to-grownups (18 to approx 27 if conscription age bar haven't went up after my departure, which is doubtful since I never heard of anyone in their 30 being conscripted) that have no skill, no knowledge and definitely not feeling keen to be the takers of the human life if there will be such a need.
Those who have signed off the contract though... That's whole other can of worms and a matter of different talk.
That is out of the way, next.


Mandatory service for conscript is one year. Not two. Two for those how have decided to sign up a military contract withough military experience, avoiding conscription but still eager to serve the country. Needless to say such individuals are still treated like mobiks and for good reasons.
The general military contract lenght is 3 years. + half a months if you're conscripted dolboeb who have decided it'd be neat to sign up the contract during your conscript days.

It's a retarded argument all the way around. Mandatory service is still conscription. My father was drafted for Vietnam and then proceeded to spend 30 more years in the military but that doesn't change the fact that he was drafted. He never would've joined in the first place if he wasn't forced to. When it was time to retire they almost didn't let him because of the GWOT, voluntary contract be damned.

Irrelevant word games.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

imho trump dumps z-man under the bus during his address to the us congress

 

[オプセック]

Trump and Vance sure made themselves look like belligerent asses. Was that the point?

Yeah, I kinda feel you on that, you already had to hate z-man to get into that whole spit-roast vibe, I can see how that whole kabuki number might have alienated some people - but on the other hand, anyone who still rooted for z-man is probably just an unhinged warhawk and/or complete imbecile, so the mob routine was probably "without alternative", as Merkel would've said.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

imho trump dumps z-man under the bus during his address to the us congress

If a WH speechwriter is reading this please slip in "Commissar Zelensky" a few times alongside "Governor Trudeau."

 

[IKOL]

imho trump dumps z-man under the bus during his address to the us congress

If a WH speechwriter is reading this please slip in "Commissar Zelensky" in there a few times alongside "Governor Trudeau."

Addendum on my part: please include this:

Also for the misfortune of my beloved Americans I have to inform you that stunning and politically transitioning Volodymir Zelenskyi aka "Cockesnort" have said that we are very mean spirited because we want peace, and that y'all die, horribly.

 

[Fapcop]

It's a retarded argument all the way around. Mandatory service is still conscription. My father was drafted for Vietnam and then proceeded to spend 30 more years in the military but that doesn't change the fact that he was drafted. He never would've joined in the first place if he wasn't forced to. When it was time to retire they almost didn't let him because of the GWOT, voluntary contract be damned.

Irrelevant word games.

This is dumb. Sorry.

Conscription in Russia serves two purposes.

1: Take up tasks that frees the contract soldiers and professional soldiers to be used elsewhere more effectively, and:

2: Give young men the basic skills and military experience so they can serve effectively if there is a war and they get drafted.

(And since the SMO is well… A special military operation and not a war, they’re not getting drafted.)

If you can’t tell the difference between spending a year in Volgograd learning to handle weapons, dig trenches and get fit, and being sent into bloody battle for three years as a contract soldier, I don’t really know what to tell you.

The two aren’t even necessarily linked, except for the part where Russia has a broad base of possible volunteers they can draw on, who they don’t need to teach how to disassemble an AK or throw a grenade, since they likely already tried.

 

[Chuckwagon]

Here is a German general from 1919 laughing about creating Ukraine through propaganda and plainly stating Ukraine is fake, gay and definitely retarded.
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Yeah, bearing that out, the first attempt at creating an independent Ukraine in 1917-21 bombed catastrophically the instant they lost German support. I don't think the Ukrainians won a single major battle in their original failed war of independence - got regularly dunked on by both Red & White Russians, the Blacks (anarchist useful idiots for the Reds), and Poland. Kiev itself was actually overrun by both the Reds and Whites at different times. AFAIK the Ukrainian People's Army was hopelessly lacking in motivated fighters compared to its adversaries and its best-equipped & most motivated formations, the ex-Austro-Hungarian Galician Sich Riflemen units, were stuck fighting (and eventually still lost to) the Poles in the far west.

Also the Entente never recognized the Ukrainian People's Republic; Britain, France, the US, etc. considered Ukraine to be a Central Power puppet, and a French expedition actually fought the Ukrainians with the (White) Russians to take Odessa for the latter's benefit. Besides the Southern Whites dunking on Ukraine as much as the rest of its neighbors, while the Entente twisted Kolchak's arm into recognizing Polish & Finnish independence, they also pointedly left Ukraine out of such protection, so that even if the Reds had lost the Russian Civil War there still wouldn't have been an independent Ukraine anyway. Since the Whites' fighting slogan was 'One & Indivisible Russia' and they considered Ukraine to be the 'Little Russia' in 'All the Russias', they never would've parted with it for nationalistic/sentimental reasons on top of the obvious economic benefits; Ukraine was home to quite a few of the high ranking White leaders in a literal sense too, besides Kolchak's family originally being from the Budjak area, for example Mikhail Drozdovsky (one of their sharpest frontline commanders, following his death an elite 'color' division of the Southern White forces was named after him - the others IIRC being the Alexeyev, Kornilov and Markov divisions) was from Kiev.

Fun final fact: the guy Germany found to become their top collaborator in Ukraine, Pavlo Skoropadsky, was a conservative Russophile who only sided with the Germans after the October Revolution because the alternative would be Ukraine being overrun by the Reds early, and after the Germans pulled out tried to bend the knee to the Whites in exchange for maybe some sort of autonomy after the war. Unfortunately for him, the Ukrainian nationalists of Symon Petlyura et al. didn't like that plan, threw him out in a coup while he was at his weakest (and killed the White Russian attache sent to his court, Feodor Arturovich Keller, for good measure) and decided to bet on 'total independence or nothing'. Well, anyone who's ever seen a map of Europe in the 1920s knows which outcome they got out of that bet...

 

[ChristianKiwi]

https://archive.md/Pzxl2

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When did Zelensky make the announcement intending to boost voluntary recruitment? Does anyone know?

 

[Fapcop]

>Aren't Ruskies a conscript army themselves?
>>Yes, but Putin halted conscription as of now.
Ouch!

It’s both. Yes, there is a general one year of basic service for young men, but Russia relies exclusively on professional contract soldiers in Ukraine.

I don’t see why this is so confusing.