Opinion The Nicest Swamp on the Internet - Reddit’s not perfect, but it may be the best platform on a junky web.

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In the ever-expanding universe of obsolete sounds, few can compare to the confident yawp of a dial-up modem. Back in the early days, the internet was slow, but we didn’t know it yet. Or at least we didn’t care. And why should we have? The stuff of the web was organic, something you had to plant and then harvest. It took time. Websites popped up like wildflowers. Far-flung enthusiasts found one another, but gradually. Nobody owned the web, and everybody did. It was open, and everything seemed possible. Everything was possible. Maybe it still is.

Strange things are happening online these days. Strange bad, clearly. But also strange good. One unexpected development is that Reddit, long dogged by a reputation for mischief and mayhem, has achieved a kind of mass appeal. If you ask your friends where they’ve been hanging out online lately, you’re likely to hear some of them say Reddit, actually, perhaps with a tinge of surprise.

Reddit’s founders didn’t set out to save the web. College roommates Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian wanted to create a mobile food-ordering service. But their idea didn’t make sense, at least not at the time. It was 2005; the iPhone didn’t exist yet. So they built something else, no less ambitious: a site that promised to be “the front page of the internet.” Reddit was a place to share all manner of memes, photographs, questions, embarrassing stories, and ideas. Users could upvote posts into internet virality, or sometimes infamy. Eventually, they built their own communities, known as subreddits.

The joy of Reddit comes from it being simultaneously niche and expansive—like an infinite world’s fair of subcultures.
For the first decade of its existence, Reddit was not exactly a respectable place to hang out. Like its spiritual cousin 4chan, Reddit was primarily known for, among other things, creepshots, revenge porn, abject racism, anti-Semitism, and violent misogyny. Endearing corners of Reddit existed, but you couldn’t get to them without stumbling over some seriously disturbing material.

Some of that disturbing material is still there if you look for it, but lately, the gross stuff has been crowded out by the good stuff, and more and more people have congregated on Reddit. Last year the company went public, saw a huge swell in audience, and became profitable for the first time in its history. And though its runaway growth slowed last quarter, Reddit says it now has more than 100 million daily users and more than 100,000 active communities.

The joy of Reddit comes from it being simultaneously niche and expansive—like an infinite world’s fair of subcultures, fandoms, support groups, and curiosities. There seems to be a subreddit for everyone and everything. There are mainstream subreddits with popular appeal, such as r/askscience (26 million users) and r/technology (18 million users). But there are also more esoteric forums, such as r/rentnerzeigenaufdinge, the German-language subreddit that’s devoted to context-free photos of retirees pointing at random things. (That group’s stated purpose: Hier bekommen alte Menschen die Bühne, die sie verdienen. “Here, old people get the stage they deserve.”) There’s r/notablueberry, where people share images of berries that are not blueberries, which other people often warn them not to eat. Some subreddits exist just to deliver a punch line, like r/Lurkers, a community with more than 41,000 members in which no one posts anything at all.

Asking someone where they spend time on Reddit opens a window onto their personality that can be surprisingly intimate. Here, I’ll go: I love r/whatisit, where users share photos of confusing objects they encounter; r/Honolulu, which is a mix of island news and extremely local references; r/tipofmytongue, where people ask for help finding or identifying “un-googleable” songs, movies, books, or other scraps of cultural memory; r/metropolis, dedicated entirely to Fritz Lang’s 1927 film of the same name; and r/MildlyVandalised, a place to share milquetoast visual pranks, such as a shelf of World Book Encyclopedias rearranged so their spines lined up to say WEIRD COCK. (Reddit may be less hateful these days, but it is still juvenile.)

There is a subreddit where violinists gently correct one another’s bow holds, a subreddit for rowers where people compare erg scores, and a subreddit for people who are honest-to-God allergic to the cold and trade tips about which antihistamine regimen works best. One subreddit is for people who encounter cookie cutters whose shapes they cannot decipher. The responses reliably entail a mix of sincere sleuthing to find the answer and ridiculously creative and crude joke guesses.

Not everything on Reddit is merely cute, of course. I have lost count of the number of friends who have mentioned to me that they add the word Reddit to their Google searches—a shortcut to the place where they know they’ll find the best information online. Google, once the unsurpassed King of Search, has become hostile to its users, surfacing hilariously unhelpful AI responses (including telling people to eat rocks and glue) and making it woefully difficult to retrieve credible information, even when you know exactly what source you’re looking for. Reddit, by contrast, offers truly specialized knowledge for every need. It provides travel tips to every conceivable destination and practical advice for every imaginable home-improvement project. One friend told me about using Reddit to find the right tension for his tennis-racket strings and the best embroiderer for a custom hockey jersey. And although the wisdom of the crowd is not fact-checked, Reddit’s culture tends to be equal parts generous and skeptical—meaning that good, or at least helpful, information often rises to the top.

Recently, on the r/creepy subreddit, someone posted about having found a tiny skeleton under the floorboards in their house. “Am I cursed for eternity now?” they wanted to know. The top reply came from someone who explained that they were a zooarchaeologist and could therefore be “95% certain this is a mouse skeleton,” and offered to send their own photo of a mouse skeleton for reference. “Hell yeah,” someone else chimed in. “Ask a random question and get an answer from someone who specializes in the exact niche. Amazing.”

How did this happen? How did Reddit go from being a disgusting fever swamp to an oasis of happiness, expertise, exuberance? Excising the most egregious subreddits was the first step, and not an uncontroversial one. Good and necessary free-speech debates followed. But the site has always given its users more control than other major social platforms. Reddit’s moderators are almost exclusively volunteers, and they are power users. They set the rules for the subreddits they run, and they tend to take their job seriously. The subreddit r/AskHistorians has a reputation for being one of the most heavily moderated communities on Reddit—rather than deleting some comments, it seems to delete most of them. If you don’t like that, and there are plenty of people who don’t, you can join another subreddit for history buffs. Or start your own.

On Reddit, it’s people—not the platform—who decide what any one community should be. (Reddit does still ban whole subreddits sometimes, as it did recently with a group posting violent threats.) Even the most ridiculous forums make their expectations known. In the subreddit r/DivorcedBirds, which is for sharing images of birds that “look like serial monogamists,” moderators specify the following: “Please post pictures of birds who look like they are twice divorced (or more!) and an original caption about their backstory.” Also: No photos of “human women”; no art, paintings, or Photoshop; and “no dead birds.”

Giving users this much control over a major social platform is basically unheard-of anymore. It’s a throwback to the early web, when people had to tend to the sites they wanted to be a part of, and it’s a stark contrast to the way other social-media sites have evolved.


Reddit is surging at a time when much of the rest of the social web has curdled. The mainstream platforms are overrun with a combination of bots, bigots, and bad AI, especially because platforms such as X and Facebook have declared that the substance of what people post is of no concern to them. Which is how we got to the point that Reddit, of all places, has developed a reputation as a force for good, or at least a force for reminding people of the promise of a decentralized open web.

For now, Reddit remains wildly original and startlingly generous, which is to say, deeply and gorgeously human.
The social giants that worship at the altar of megascale—Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, X—have chosen to do so at the expense of humanity. They train their algorithms to feed people the things that make them angry and afraid and keep them scrolling. Reddit has its own ambitions for exponential growth, but so far it has managed to retain a small-group feeling while still operating at scale.

The question is whether this is a sustainable model. What if this golden moment for Reddit is not a renaissance but a last hurrah—one final reminder of what could have been, before a tsunami of AI wipes out the places that once sparkled with humanity? Reddit recently unveiled its own AI product, Reddit Answers, to the disgust of many of its users. And some long-time users worry that something essential will be lost as normies flock to the platform.

For now, though, Reddit remains wildly original and startlingly generous, which is to say, deeply and gorgeously human. It provides connection to others, stokes curiosity, and—at least in some subreddits—leaves you with a feeling of time well spent, a rarity on other social platforms. Because as different as each Reddit community is, every good subreddit is irrepressibly captivating for the same reason: the people.

Recently, someone posted a question on r/AskReddit: “What have you done on this platform that you’re most proud of?” The answers ranged from earnest to irreverent. People described feeling good about having used Reddit to read more, and to challenge their understanding of the world. Others praised themselves for not posting mean comments when they had the impulse to. One person described having spent two years on a guitar subreddit learning 100 different solos. Another described how they’d posted a cookbook of reverse-engineered Panda Express recipes to the delight of other users (though not, apparently, to the delight of Panda Express). Somebody else felt proud of having taught fellow Redditors how to open a box filled with packing peanuts without making a mess. One wrote: “I’ve been helping strangers with their various math questions for over ten years!” Another: “I make people laugh from time to time.”

What Reddit does, it turns out, is give people a space that they can create and collectively control, and where they can ask one another question after question after question, in every possible permutation. The place is flooded with expertise and genuine wisdom, and it’s filthy with rabbit holes. But the only two questions that people ever really ask on Reddit, if you think about it, are these: Am I alone? Am I okay? And after all these years, in subreddit after subreddit, no matter what the topic at hand is, the same answers keep coming: You aren’t alone. And you might not be okay. But we’re here.
 
I was thinking recently that if I wanted to post to my local subreddit, it would take so much work to create an account, post for a period of time, get karma, establish far left posting history (since Conservatives will be banned). It could take weeks.

Do you live in my area? My local subreddit before the pandemic had pretty much absentee moderators and it was pretty good. Then they added a new mod (MarcusRex73) who came in claiming he was going to moderate with a light touch. Wrong. He's a totalitarian dipshit who is the epitome of who should not be a moderator.

Reddit has pretty much killed the discussion forums from the 2000's. Why spend money and time on maintaining servers when you can just start a subreddit?

The worst part about reddit, other than the mods, is the interface. It's either new threads or hot threads in view, unlike forums like this place where the most recently updated threads are in view. You can't go to new posts because they're all branched off into different replies.
 
Kiwi Farms is probably legitimately one of the only places left that you could post something of yours and get honest feedback.
Reddit won't let you be too critical or that's bullying, or straight up fucking lying saying it's great when it sucks.
4Chan will just say it sucks without even looking at it
Twitter will probably just steal it and claim it's theirs.

Of course that can all happen on the Farms, but at least here you don't get to be "anonymous" and you can (and will be) called a faggot for shitty behavior.
I'd never post anything I made here, that's just trouble, but I know somewhere there would be legitimate criticism for it's failings, and praise for it's positives.
So all in all, if we had to rank "niceness" on the internet, I'd definitely place Kiwi Farms over Reddit.
The "meanest" (and deadest) would have been Encyclopedia Dramatica, but that was the point. Everyone got fucking shit on there and that's why I miss that hellhole of a website.
 
r/indigochildren r/starseeds and r/gangstalking are fun to read for delusional schizoposting, but you go anywhere else and you start wondering if that's the way all the users are. Sometimes I wonder what makes a person post that they're autistic/furry/tranny before asking how to properly connect jumper cables. Is it anymore delusional to think you're being stalked by the CIA and are a reincarnated dinosaur alien then it is to think that anyone online gives a fuck what your identity labels are?
 
Its not only censored to shit, but if you know anything about power mods and shit, you essentially have all of reddit being controlled by what boils down to a handful of people. Even the most incredibly benign subreddits will be under the umbrella of some group of mods who control like 300+ subreddits and coordinate via their own private discords. So next thing you know a subreddit that you follow for mild amusement will just start throwing up LGBT+ banners and posting about pro abortion rights and talking about being a safe space for trannies and #freepalestine when you were just there to read about obscure cheeses or some shit.
Reddit is basically proof that Psyops are real. 'Redditor' after all is used as a slur along with 'Predditor'. Because it creates a certain mindset that they drag with them in their day to day life and other online spaces. Open mockery is the cure to being a redditor.

On the note of mods, not only they do it for free its also to feed their God complex. Very shameful.
 
Its not only censored to shit, but if you know anything about power mods and shit, you essentially have all of reddit being controlled by what boils down to a handful of people. Even the most incredibly benign subreddits will be under the umbrella of some group of mods who control like 300+ subreddits and coordinate via their own private discords. So next thing you know a subreddit that you follow for mild amusement will just start throwing up LGBT+ banners and posting about pro abortion rights and talking about being a safe space for trannies and #freepalestine when you were just there to read about obscure cheeses or some shit.
“Hi im a trans girl who is also lesbian am I welcome here? I have no knowledge or interest in this over 30s women only sewing group but I would love to post selfies of myself multiple times a day and scream when you ask me why I’m posting them. I’m also a furry who accesses little space frequently so I need this to be a safe place. Terfs btfo. Ps here’s a photo of my new skirt teehee justgirlythings”
- every hobby group I’ve joined

I mostly use Reddit when googling answers as half of the older ones are accurate, and for research purposes. Most of my experience with Reddit has been bad, and it seems that a disturbing amount of users frequent porn subs and post their own nudes.
 
How much did reddit pay to have this article written? Are they being publicly traded yet, or still trying to make an IPO happen? Either way, they obviously want some good publicity to hide how shit they are.

Reddit used to be kind of shitty collectively, with small areas that were fine. It's still shitty collectively, but the areas of "normal" no longer exist, because subs aren't truly allowed to deviate from wider reddit culture any more, and everything is moderated by one of twenty people. It has been cultivated into a collective of "unique" individuals who can't actually express any individuality.

Also, they're too botted and ubiquitous to actually be useful for anything. Reddit is the Dead Internet.
 
Reddit is surging at a time when much of the rest of the social web has curdled. The mainstream platforms are overrun with a combination of bots, bigots, and bad AI, especially because platforms such as X and Facebook have declared that the substance of what people post is of no concern to them. Which is how we got to the point that Reddit, of all places, has developed a reputation as a force for good, or at least a force for reminding people of the promise of a decentralized open web.

lol. lmao, even.

This (obviously paid for by Reddit) article is actually pretty representative of the site it's shilling. Completely no self awareness and/or simply lying through their teeth in a desperate attempt to convince us that they're not fully taken over by bots and organizations/companies looking to sell us something, whether it be a service/commodity/etc or ideas. Even the most normie of norms have to see right through it at this point. Fortunately for Reddit there's plenty of people that don't care that they're being force fed propaganda and advertisements. Unfortunately for Reddit, however, enough people are sick of their bullshit that their stock price has gone down 30%+ in just the last couple weeks. Will they learn from it? Doubtful. It's sad but the old.reddit we used to know is long gone. It was always pretty gay but it was still worth visiting until it fell to the machine like everything else worth a damn has.
 
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KF is just right wing reddit. This place is almost entirely children who want to be hardcore (but mom won't let them), right wing/religious normalfags whose everything became obsolete by the time 1990s rolled around and deranged MAGA trash. If you flip all this around you just get regular reddit, but pretending that this is some sort of oasis is ridiculous.
 
The problem with Reddit is that it is censored to shit.
Reddit's "blanket tolerance but also blanket censorship policy" seems to me the best available proof that the site's longterm purpose is to lobby for the legalization of pedophilia. "Normalize everything, criticize nothing" + Ohanian leaving when he started a family + total tranny immunity = Spez has decided to use his power to obtain legal 10 year old prostitutes.
KF is just right wing reddit. This place is almost entirely children who want to be hardcore (but mom won't let them), right wing/religious normalfags whose everything became obsolete by the time 1990s rolled around and deranged MAGA trash. If you flip all this around you just get regular reddit, but pretending that this is some sort of oasis is ridiculous.
You forgot all the old lesbians who aren't allowed to use any other websites to talk about their backyard gardens and drawers full of various lengths of wire.
 
4Chan will just say it sucks without even looking at it
And then tranny jannies ban you for some made up reason.

KF is just right wing reddit. This place is almost entirely children who want to be hardcore (but mom won't let them), right wing/religious normalfags whose everything became obsolete by the time 1990s rolled around and deranged MAGA trash. If you flip all this around you just get regular reddit, but pretending that this is some sort of oasis is ridiculous.
Faggot with reddit opinions whines other place with actual free speech, you love to see it.

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Leaving aside all the glaring issues with reddit's moderation policies, userbase, and content, I think that the UI is one of the most insufferable, ugly and unintuitive I've seen among popular websites.

I've been told by friends that it's better when you have an account, but I'm not ever making one, so for me whenever I expand a comment chain past ~3 messages, it moves to a new page with just the previously unseen messages from that comment chain. They way they continually inline towards the right looks shitty too, imagine being uglier and stupider than the youtube comments section. And finding threads is awful with the infinite scroll and upvote system unless you're directly searching for something.

The obvious solution is to just not use the place, but as the article mentions, it has become a massive repository for niche knowledge, on top of being a google SEO darling. If you're looking up shit about niche topics like specific software, you're likely going to end up on reddit at some point.

Seriously though, most Kiwifarmers actually read what you write, instead of skimming for something to be smug about. Redditors are so hostile over any disagreement, no matter how benign.
If only they would read the articles posted in A&N without immediately skipping to the bottom in order to be the first person to write NIGGER
 
Seriously though, most Kiwifarmers actually read what you write, instead of skimming for something to be smug about. Redditors are so hostile over any disagreement, no matter how benign.
Don't forget that KF is an actual safe space when it comes to cheese discussion. Reddit would judge both Based Eurocheddars and Comfy Fedcurds for "extremism".
 
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