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Trump turns Congress speech into a sordid campaign rally, igniting a Democrat fightback
The Guardian (archive.ph)
By David Smith
2025-03-05 06:58:28GMT
Well, at least he didn’t give a Nazi salute, declare war on Canada or pull the plug on Nato. You never know these days. But this was the night that Donald Trump finally turned the once reverential occasion of a speech to Congress into just another sordid campaign rally.

Deigning to address the branch of government he has so comprehensively sidelined in his first six weeks in office, Trump went off script and went long (a record 100 minutes). He lied, he weaved, demonised immigrants, he sold his economy as the greatest ever, he played the victim, he praised Elon Musk, he lambasted Joe Biden, he repeated himself and he lied some more.

And how Republican senators and representatives lapped it all up. They leaped to their feet countless times, clapping and cheering, shouting, “Yes!” and “Thank you!”, chanting, “USA! USA! USA!” and “Trump! Trump! Trump!” and “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

Among them was congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, sporting a red “Trump was right about everything” cap and clutching a mini-Stars and Stripes as if listening to him in a sports arena on the campaign trail.

But this was a Trump rally with a difference, putting all the tensions and faultlines and sickness of the American body politic on full display. Half the chamber was made up of Democrats, forced to sit and have their noses rubbed in the dirt like Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy at last week’s Oval Office shakedown.

They looked grim, they looked glum, they looked as if they were reliving the 5 November election nightmare all over again. More than a dozen Democratic women wore pink in protest. When Trump entered, Democrat Melanie Stansbury held up a sign that said, “This is NOT Normal,” until Republican Lance Gooden across the aisle, grabbed sign out of her hand and tossed it in the air.

Once Trump got going, several Democrats held up round black signs that said, “Protect veterans”, “Save Medicaid” and “Musk steals”, and when flipped around, the signs said “False” on the back, so they could factcheck Trump instantly (those arms must have got tired).

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib began with a piece of paper on which “That’s a lie” was handwritten but later upgraded to a mini-white board that said at various points: “That’s a lie!”, “You cut cancer research”, “What about the immigrants that worked for you?”, and “Cut Elon, NOT Social Security.”

Most spectacularly, when Trump began his speech by declaring that the presidential election of 5 November “was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades,”Republicans quickly jumped to their feet with chants of “USA! USA!”, while Green shouted, “You have no mandate to cut Medicaid!”, prompting House Speaker Mike Johnson to order the House serjeant at arms to escort him from the chamber. Republicans cheered and shouted “Get out!” and “Na na na na ... goodbye!”

‘It’s a lie!’ shout Democrats​

Rarely has the divide across the aisle been so bitter and glaring. It was hard to believe that, when Trump first stood on this spot eight years ago, he repeatedly called for unity, proclaiming: “We all bleed the same blood. We all salute the same great American flag. And we all are made by the same God.”

There was none of that in 2025. These are the days of miracles and thunder, of owning the libs and perhaps owning chunks of the world too. Trump described his own presidency as the most successful in history, beating George Washington into second, and Biden’s as the worst ever.

Then he whined: “I look at the Democrats in front of me and I realise there is absolutely nothing I can say to make them happy or to make them stand or smile or applaud – nothing I can do.

“I could find a cure to the most devastating disease, a disease that would wipe out entire nations or announce the answers to the greatest economy in history, or the stoppage of crime to the lowest levels ever recorded, and these people sitting right here will not clap, will not stand and certainly will not cheer for these astronomical achievements.”

Poor unloved, unappreciated Donald. But Speaker Johnson and vice-president JD Vance giggled like mischievous schoolboys. Republicans again stood to applaud and Democrats remain riveted to their seats in silence.

The president went on to trumpet his “department of government efficiency” and all heads turned to look at Elon Musk, wearing a suit, in the public gallery. Republicans again hollered in praise as Musk, nodding and saluting, milked it for all it was worth.

But later, when Trump declared that “the days of being ruled by unelected bureaucrats is over”, some Democrats laughed, stood up and pointed at the tech oligarch who is taking a chainsaw to the federal government.

Just as at a rally, Trump did the weave, talking at length about illegal immigration and transgender children, then circling back later to do it all again. Congressman Jamie Raskin could be seen making a looping gesture as if to say: this is getting repetitive.

An exultant, ego-driven Trump boasted: “The media and our friends in the Democrat Party kept saying we needed new legislation, we must have legislation to secure the border. But it turned that all we really needed was a new president.”

Among the senators, Chuck Schumer stared down at his phone. Dick Durbin looked bewildered. Amy Klobuchar grimaced. Cory Booker seemed crestfallen – his belief in the better angels of our nature had been mugged by reality.

As the night wore on, several Democrats walked out in protest, some revealing shirts that read “Resist” on the back. One shirt said, “No kings live here”; another said, “President Musk”.

The clashes continued. When Trump repeated a false claim that millions of dead people over 100 years old are receiving social security payments, Democrats shouted, “It’s a lie!”

When Trump admitted “there will be a little disturbance” from tariffs but “we’re OK with that”, a Democrat objected: “No, we’re not!” A Republican retorted loudly: “We’re good, we’re good.”

When Trump declared “we are also once again giving our police officers the support, protection and respect they so dearly deserve”, several Democrats yelled back, “January 6!”

When Trump said the US needs Greenland for national security, adding that “One way or the other, we’re gonna get it,” a Democrat shouted, “Not a king!”

But when, with British ambassador Peter Mandelson looking on, the president remarked on how the US had sent billions of military aid to Ukraine, it was Democrats who started clapping, while the party of cold war warrior Ronald Reagan sat on its hands.

Trump asked sarcastically: “You want to keep it going another five years?” Then he spotted Senator Elizabeth Warren and said mockingly, “Yeah, Pocahontas says yes.” Warren fought hard to retain a cold smile as she continued to applaud.

Yet still Trump kept going, delivering a speech that somehow managed to be both menacing and boring at the same time, spending less than two minutes on inflation and prices, the issue that was arguably central to his election. At one point there was even a yawn on the Republican side from congresswoman Nancy Mace. People have been primaried for less.

When it was over, however, Mace went up to him and gushed: “Best speech ever!” Greene was not far behind with: “Mr President, that was a great speech!” Other voices chimed in: “Home run!”, “Slam dunk!”, “You rocked it, Mr President.”

By then the Democrats had bolted for the door, having metaphorically done what Nancy Pelosi did five years ago when she tore up Trump speech’s in this chamber. They had given hope to the resistance and shown the world what they are against. Now can they show the world what they are for?
Trump speech repeatedly rocked by Democratic disruptions
Axios (archive.ph)
By Andrew Solender
2025-03-05 03:46:49GMT
Even before President Trump took the podium to address a joint session of Congress on Tuesday, Democrats began disrupting the proceedings. Within minutes, a lawmaker was escorted out of the chamber.

Why it matters: The Democratic protests from inside the chamber represent an unprecedented level of coordination that reflects the immense grassroots pressure the party is facing to mount a resistance to Trump.
What happened: As Trump walked down the aisle, Rep. Melanie Stansbury (D-N.M.), the ranking member of the House's DOGE subcommittee, held up a sign reading "This is NOT Normal."
  • Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Texas) reached across the aisle, grabbed Stansbury's sign and yanked it out of her hand. Stansbury later fundraised off the moment.
  • Soon after, dozens of Democrats held up signs reading "SAVE MEDICAID," "MUSK STEALS" and "PROTECT VETERANS" — which, when flipped around, also said "FALSE" on the back.
  • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) held up a whiteboard on which she wrote various messages, including: "Cut Elon, NOT Social Security."
Between the lines: The use of signs came despite Democratic leadership urging its members ahead of the speech not to use props or use any tactics that would make them the story.
  • Many members of the Democrats' more establishment wing opposed the use of disruptive tactics and opted for silent forms of protest such as outfit coordination and refusal to clap.
  • But progressives argued to colleagues privately, and told Axios, that their constituents were demanding to see more vocal resistance to Trump by the party's elected officials.
Zoom in: As Trump began speaking, even more raucous disruptions began. Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), one of Trump's fiercest critics in Congress who plans to try to impeach him, stood up and shouted, "Mr. President, you don't have a mandate."
  • Republicans shouted back in an attempt to drown him out. After a back and forth in which Green refused to stop heckling, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) ordered the House sergeant-at-arms to escort him out.
  • Other Democrats repeatedly peppered Trump with heckling throughout his speech, often shouting, "Those are lies!"
  • As Trump spoke about law enforcement, several House Democrats shouted about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Several House Democrats — including Reps. Maxwell Frost (D-Fla.), Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas), Maxine Dexter (D-Ore.), Andrea Salinas (D-Ore.), LaMonica McIver (D-N.J.) Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-Calif.) — walked out of the speech several minutes later.
  • Crockett, Salinas and Dexter revealed shirts that read "RESIST" on the back. Frost's shirt said "NO KINGS LIVE HERE," and Kamlager-Dove's said "PRESIDENT MUSK."
  • Rep. Delia Ramirez (D-Ill.), who did not walk out of the speech, wore a shirt that said "NO KING. NO COUP."
  • More groups of Democrats gradually walked out throughout the speech, including Reps. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), Jared Huffman (D-Calif.), Dave Min (D-Calif.) and Bill Foster (D-Ill.).
What they're saying: After he was ejected, Green told reporters the mandate he was referencing was a mandate to cut Medicaid and other government programs.
  • "It's worth it to let people know that there are some people who are going to stand up," the Texas Democrat said of his ejection.
More from Axios:
Editor's note: This story has been updated with additional details.
 
As a Texan Kiwi Farmer, I must publicly apologize to this board, America, and the World for the recent behavior of our congressmen.

The Democrats we have are just as bad as anywhere else, especially uppity race-baiting niggers like Jasmine Crockett and Al Green. The inner city districts that vote them in are littered with shitholes that make impoverished places in some of our red rural areas look like paradise.

D.J. Daniels, the sweet cancer surviving boy, Honorary Houston Police Officer, and now Secret Service Agent is a Texan. He couldn't get any respect from the Democrats, let alone Texan Democrats, who rolled their eyes, refused to stand or clap, walked out, or were thrown out for insubordination like Al Green.


"[Trump is] up there, he's spewing all kinds of nonsense and bullshit, let me just be real, and we weren't just going to sit for that shit." -Jasmine Crockett said on Instagram after walking out.

(My electirc power is currently out so I'm mobilefag posting, so forgive me for not being able to imbed the video of that negress saying that. God forbid those Democrat fucks say anything positive after these extreme winds and a few tornados decimated some areas of Texas, including some of their districts.)

If you Google "Texas Congressmen" and click on the Democrat ones, then hit news, they all spew the same deranged talking points about DOGE and Ukraine. Completely worthless and an embarrassment to my state.

On the Republican side Senator Cornyn and Congressmen Chip Roy, Jake Ellzey, and especially Dan Crenshaw have also been a bit retarded lately so I'm sorry for that too.
 
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What exactly is abnormal about this? Outside of it being NOT normal that a bunch of politicians are holding up petulant signs during the state of the union?
The uniparty Democrats lost! That is NOT normal! The Founding Fathers could never have envisioned a future in which someone not a DC Elite was ruling over us!
 
Trump speech repeatedly rocked by Democratic disruptions
Did they watch the same speech we did those protest barring the first one were wet farts mainly because they are so cucked and old they can’t even protest properly, maybe this is why they have to hire antifa these people couldn’t stand for an issue if their political career depended on it.
Trump turns Congress speech into a sordid campaign rally, igniting a Democrat fightback
Jornos are sucking hard cope if they call color coding and gay micro signs fighting back, or was the tick tok speech were they copied homework better in their eyes genuinely the Democratic Party is more cooked today then it has been since after they flipped from slavery to slavery with extra steps.
 
Democrats Are Acting Too Normal
The Atlantic (archive.ph)
By Tom Nichols
2025-03-05 06:21:18GMT
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American politicians of both parties have always known that giving the response to a presidential address is one of the worst jobs in Washington. Presidents have the gravitas and grandeur of a joint session in the House chamber; the respondent gets a few minutes of video filmed in a studio or in front of a fake fireplace somewhere. If the president’s speech was good, a response can seem churlish or anti-climactic. If the president’s speech was poor or faltering, the opposition can only pile on for a few minutes.

So pity Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, who got handed the task of a response to Donald Trump’s two hour carnival of lies and stunts. Slotkin gave a good, normal speech in which she laid out some of her party’s issues with Trump on the economy and national security.

It was so normal, in fact, that it was exactly the wrong speech to give.

But first, it’s important to note that it was a good speech. Slotkin wisely decided to forego any stagey settings, appearing in front of neatly placed flags instead of in her office or a kitchen. She gave a shout-out to her home state while managing to avoid folksy familiarity or posturing. She also stayed away from wonkery, speaking in the kind of clear language people use in daily conversation. (Okay, there was some thudding language about investment and “jobs of the future,” but these are minor speechwriting offenses.)

And to her credit, Slotkin reminded people that Elon Musk is an unaccountable uber-bureaucrat leading a “gang of 20 year olds” who are rummaging through the personal data of millions of Americans. As a senator from a state bordering Canada, she asked if Americans are comfortable kicking our sister nation in the teeth.

So what’s not to like? Slotkin—like so many in her party lately—failed to convey any sense of real urgency or alarm. Her speech could have been given in Trump’s first term, perhaps in 2017 or 2018, but we are no longer in that moment. The president’s address was so extreme, so full of bizarre claims and ideas, exaggerations and distortions and lies, that it should have called his fitness to serve into question. He preened about a cabinet that includes some of the strangest, and least qualified, members in American history. Although his speech went exceptionally long, he said almost nothing of substance, and the few plans he put forward were mostly applause bait for his Republican sycophants in the room and his base at home.

It’s easy for me to sit in my living room in Rhode Island and suggest what others should say. But in her response, Slotkin failed to capture the hallucinatory nature of our national politics. As a former Republican, I nodded when Slotkin said that Ronald Reagan would be rolling in his grave at what Slotkin called the “spectacle” of last week’s Oval Office attack on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But is that really the message of a fighting opposition? Is it an effective rallying cry either to older voters or to a new generation to say, in effect, that Reagan—even now a polarizing figure—would have hated Trump? (Of course he would have.) Isn’t the threat facing America far greater than that?

Slotkin’s best moment was when she pleaded with people to do more than be mere observers of politics, and said that doomscrolling on phones isn’t the same thing as genuine political engagement. And she issued her own Reaganesque call to remember that America is not just “a patch of land between two oceans,” that America is great because of its ideals. But her admonition to her fellow citizens not to fool themselves about the fragility of democracy, while admirable, was strangely detached from a specific attack on the source of that menace.

Did Americans vote for Kash Patel to lead the FBI, or RFK Jr. to run the Department of Health and Human Services, or Pete Hegseth for secretary of defense? Trump took time to recognize and praise all three of those men in his speech. So why not ask that question—directly and without needless throat clearing about the importance and necessity of change?

Slotkin’s response reflected the fractured approach of the Democrats to Trump in general. Some of them refused to attend tonight’s address, some of them held up little ping-pong paddles with messages on them (a silly idea that looked even worse in its execution), and others meandered out. One, Representative Al Green of Texas, got himself thrown out within the first minutes, a stunt that only gave Speaker Mike Johnson a chance to look strong and decisive, if only for a moment.

I’m not a fan of performative protest, and initially I thought the Democrats who chose to attend the address made the right call. But when Trump referred to Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts as “Pocahontas,” they could have left en bloc, declaring once they were outside that they would take no part in any further demeaning of the House chamber—or, for that matter, of American democracy. Instead, they sat there and took it, their opposition to Trump a kind of hodgepodge of rage, bemusement, boredom, and irritation.

Slotkin’s address suffered from the same half-heartedness that has seized the Democrats since last November. Her response, and the behavior of the Democrats in general, showed that they still fear being a full-throated opposition party because they believe that they will alienate voters who will somehow be offended at them for taking a stand against Trump’s schemes.

Slotkin is a centrist—as she noted, she won in areas that also voted for Trump—and her victory in Michigan proved that centrism can be a powerful anchor against extremists. But centrism is not the same as meekness. America does not need a “resistance,” or stale slogans, or people putting those slogans on little paddles. It needs an opposition party that boldly defends the nation’s virtues, the rule of law, and the rights of its people.
 
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The uniparty Democrats lost! That is NOT normal! The Founding Fathers could never have envisioned a future in which someone not a DC Elite was ruling over us!
It’s not like George Washington famous supporter of political parties could foresee that parties would have a negative effect right?!?!? I’m just totally blown away folx I thought red team vs blue team was good :) not :( I just don’t know what to think anymore please CNN most trusted name in news tell me pweeese.
 
Democrats Are Acting Too Normal
You know when they wheeled out the dysgenic half blind black woman I felt kinda bad for her she clearly was just a punching bag fill in speaker the party was using for their aims, the problem is instead of just going with the poor wretch they quietly had her give a tard prebunk.

This is all to say that when a genuine uniparty glowie showed up and announced herself in front of me. I was shocked I had all-ready prepared my mind to listen to some unfortunate sacrificial retard they dragged up from the dei of dei candidates, not a member of the actual deep state who went on to give the most “clean tm” and “safe tm” condemnation. It was almost surreal an agent smith giving the exact concern baiting nanny state tone and rhetoric one would find in a post talking about how “it’s just a conspiracy” and “ you have to think that this is dangerous to talk about guys.” It’s like in the middle of a circus the ring leader went out in a regular t shirt and pants and pretended that this wasn’t a carnival and the clowns shooting them self’s out of canons for the past hour were actually normal every day office drones.
 
Not sure if posted but MNSBC melting down at Democrats and their signs.
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Whatever filter they are using for MSNBC is legit making everyone on that panel look like a bizarre uncanny valley android with plastic skin. Like, even the white lady in the middle has the uncanny look.
 
It's images like this that really reinforce my superstitious and probably autistic theory on the Mandate of Heaven. It was just so bizarre watching the democrats absolutely cower tonight. There was one early effort at disruption and then nothing. Just silently slinking out of the room.

And when you compare what came before and how people react to it, it's really something. I agree. It's like waking up from a nightmare. Literal demons were reigning over our society. Faceless, masked demons telling us everything has to be destroyed.

Everything we believed before was wrong. The only thing bad about abortions was that there weren't enough of them. Humanity needs to die to save the planet. The true enemies of freedom are people who believe in God. The country needs to be torn down and replaced with something else. Don't ask what.

And then a goofy reality TV star saw the Crown of America lying in the gutter and decided, "I can take that crown up. I can put it on my head. Nobody else seems to see the value in it."

And for the utter arrogance of that act he was forced to wager his fortune, his life and sacred honor. And the man that emerged from that crucible was someone his enemies couldn't even muster up the will the wave shitty placards at.
 
Elissa Slotkin giving the Democrat official response. 'She' looks almost fucking identical to that ukrainian tranny broadcaster that got CRP killed, ugly outside and in.
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Watching this dumb bitch made me feel probably how a woman feels when an incel tries negging her to get her to sleep with him. Democrats have zero actual values or value and it’s never been more obvious. All they have left is petulant scolding
over the course of tonight the wife went from being mad at me for being too mean when repeating jokes from here as we compare notes for the day to texting her liberal friend badgering him about the dems being retards and bragging to me about it, such was the way the libs acted
I think Melania underwent the same change too. She looked genuinely steamed with him at the beginning and by the end she was looking at him like he hung the moon❤️
I don't disagree; I wish that Black culture would be more introspective to where positive Black figures would showcased and given credit based on merit and perseverance, not handed to us based on pity and entitlement.
black culture is literally all about grifting. The only way a black will respect you is if you don’t let them fuck you over. Notice I didn’t say ”the only way they respect you is if you fuck them over back”. This is a common mistake- it’s only a one-way street to them. Combine that with the kangism and unearned cultural cachet, they also have the insane unwarranted superiority complex of the oven dodgers. They’re like the worst qualities of gypsies and kikes combined, with the added fun of randomly chimping out and committing murder.
>Beef tallow fries: Back on the fucking menu
>Zelensky: Folded like a bitch
>Dems: Dabbed on
>4chan: Suddenly dies
This man is too goddamn powerful. May the Powers that be watch over him.
He’s bringing back LARD too? Bro he’s fixing my life in ways I had forgotten even exist….
 
Nope. Not at all. Let’s say you have a Chinese company that makes cheap Chinese toys. Each toy costs about $1 to make but is priced $5 for retail. If a 25% tariff is added, the Chinese company would still want their cheap Chinese toys to be cheaper than American toys, so they would just let the tariff eat into their profit margin.

Companies don't look at marginal unit costs or cost of revenue when it comes to assessing the impact of a new tax. They look at divisional operating costs or possibly the entire company's bottom line. When you factor in asset depreciation, R&D, fixed costs, and other overhead, that good that "costs you $1 to make and is sold for $5" isn't making you 400% profit margins; it's making 7.5% profit margins. So a 25% tax means either you raise prices or find a new supplier. That's what happens in the real world.

Right now, in real life, but with fake numbers, I have a production system that costs me $5 an hour to operate. I rent it out for $12 an hour. WAOW, that's 240% profit, says the retard. WAOW, I can tax you at 25% , and you won't change anything, says the moron.

Except the system itself cost $200,000. This is not paid for out of magic elf money. It's paid for out of that rent I'm collecting. Eventually. So to make rational plans, I have to model that as an hourly cost. 5 year depreciation, 8760 hours in a year, so that comes to 200,000 / (8760 x 5) = $4.56. So now my costs are $9.56. That 240% profit margin just got cut to 25%. We've got support staff for this thing, as well as salesmen making commission, and we can't rent it 24 hours a day, 365 days ayear, so at the end of the day, our profit ends up being around 84 cents per hour rented, or 7%.

Slap a 25% tax on me, and now I'm losing money. I will in fact raise prices to stay profitable, and I'll be raising them about the entire amount of the tax.
 
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