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Democrats Are Acting Too Normal
The Atlantic (archive.ph)
By Tom Nichols
2025-03-05 06:21:18GMT
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American politicians of both parties have always known that giving the response to a presidential address is one of the worst jobs in Washington. Presidents have the gravitas and grandeur of a joint session in the House chamber; the respondent gets a few minutes of video filmed in a studio or in front of a fake fireplace somewhere. If the president’s speech was good, a response can seem churlish or anti-climactic. If the president’s speech was poor or faltering, the opposition can only pile on for a few minutes.

So pity Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, who got handed the task of a response to Donald Trump’s two hour carnival of lies and stunts. Slotkin gave a good, normal speech in which she laid out some of her party’s issues with Trump on the economy and national security.

It was so normal, in fact, that it was exactly the wrong speech to give.

But first, it’s important to note that it was a good speech. Slotkin wisely decided to forego any stagey settings, appearing in front of neatly placed flags instead of in her office or a kitchen. She gave a shout-out to her home state while managing to avoid folksy familiarity or posturing. She also stayed away from wonkery, speaking in the kind of clear language people use in daily conversation. (Okay, there was some thudding language about investment and “jobs of the future,” but these are minor speechwriting offenses.)

And to her credit, Slotkin reminded people that Elon Musk is an unaccountable uber-bureaucrat leading a “gang of 20 year olds” who are rummaging through the personal data of millions of Americans. As a senator from a state bordering Canada, she asked if Americans are comfortable kicking our sister nation in the teeth.

So what’s not to like? Slotkin—like so many in her party lately—failed to convey any sense of real urgency or alarm. Her speech could have been given in Trump’s first term, perhaps in 2017 or 2018, but we are no longer in that moment. The president’s address was so extreme, so full of bizarre claims and ideas, exaggerations and distortions and lies, that it should have called his fitness to serve into question. He preened about a cabinet that includes some of the strangest, and least qualified, members in American history. Although his speech went exceptionally long, he said almost nothing of substance, and the few plans he put forward were mostly applause bait for his Republican sycophants in the room and his base at home.

It’s easy for me to sit in my living room in Rhode Island and suggest what others should say. But in her response, Slotkin failed to capture the hallucinatory nature of our national politics. As a former Republican, I nodded when Slotkin said that Ronald Reagan would be rolling in his grave at what Slotkin called the “spectacle” of last week’s Oval Office attack on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But is that really the message of a fighting opposition? Is it an effective rallying cry either to older voters or to a new generation to say, in effect, that Reagan—even now a polarizing figure—would have hated Trump? (Of course he would have.) Isn’t the threat facing America far greater than that?

Slotkin’s best moment was when she pleaded with people to do more than be mere observers of politics, and said that doomscrolling on phones isn’t the same thing as genuine political engagement. And she issued her own Reaganesque call to remember that America is not just “a patch of land between two oceans,” that America is great because of its ideals. But her admonition to her fellow citizens not to fool themselves about the fragility of democracy, while admirable, was strangely detached from a specific attack on the source of that menace.

Did Americans vote for Kash Patel to lead the FBI, or RFK Jr. to run the Department of Health and Human Services, or Pete Hegseth for secretary of defense? Trump took time to recognize and praise all three of those men in his speech. So why not ask that question—directly and without needless throat clearing about the importance and necessity of change?

Slotkin’s response reflected the fractured approach of the Democrats to Trump in general. Some of them refused to attend tonight’s address, some of them held up little ping-pong paddles with messages on them (a silly idea that looked even worse in its execution), and others meandered out. One, Representative Al Green of Texas, got himself thrown out within the first minutes, a stunt that only gave Speaker Mike Johnson a chance to look strong and decisive, if only for a moment.

I’m not a fan of performative protest, and initially I thought the Democrats who chose to attend the address made the right call. But when Trump referred to Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts as “Pocahontas,” they could have left en bloc, declaring once they were outside that they would take no part in any further demeaning of the House chamber—or, for that matter, of American democracy. Instead, they sat there and took it, their opposition to Trump a kind of hodgepodge of rage, bemusement, boredom, and irritation.

Slotkin’s address suffered from the same half-heartedness that has seized the Democrats since last November. Her response, and the behavior of the Democrats in general, showed that they still fear being a full-throated opposition party because they believe that they will alienate voters who will somehow be offended at them for taking a stand against Trump’s schemes.

Slotkin is a centrist—as she noted, she won in areas that also voted for Trump—and her victory in Michigan proved that centrism can be a powerful anchor against extremists. But centrism is not the same as meekness. America does not need a “resistance,” or stale slogans, or people putting those slogans on little paddles. It needs an opposition party that boldly defends the nation’s virtues, the rule of law, and the rights of its people.
 
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The uniparty Democrats lost! That is NOT normal! The Founding Fathers could never have envisioned a future in which someone not a DC Elite was ruling over us!
It’s not like George Washington famous supporter of political parties could foresee that parties would have a negative effect right?!?!? I’m just totally blown away folx I thought red team vs blue team was good :) not :( I just don’t know what to think anymore please CNN most trusted name in news tell me pweeese.
 
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You know when they wheeled out the dysgenic half blind black woman I felt kinda bad for her she clearly was just a punching bag fill in speaker the party was using for their aims, the problem is instead of just going with the poor wretch they quietly had her give a tard prebunk.

This is all to say that when a genuine uniparty glowie showed up and announced herself in front of me. I was shocked I had all-ready prepared my mind to listen to some unfortunate sacrificial retard they dragged up from the dei of dei candidates, not a member of the actual deep state who went on to give the most “clean tm” and “safe tm” condemnation. It was almost surreal an agent smith giving the exact concern baiting nanny state tone and rhetoric one would find in a post talking about how “it’s just a conspiracy” and “ you have to think that this is dangerous to talk about guys.” It’s like in the middle of a circus the ring leader went out in a regular t shirt and pants and pretended that this wasn’t a carnival and the clowns shooting them self’s out of canons for the past hour were actually normal every day office drones.
 
Not sure if posted but MNSBC melting down at Democrats and their signs.
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Whatever filter they are using for MSNBC is legit making everyone on that panel look like a bizarre uncanny valley android with plastic skin. Like, even the white lady in the middle has the uncanny look.
 
It's images like this that really reinforce my superstitious and probably autistic theory on the Mandate of Heaven. It was just so bizarre watching the democrats absolutely cower tonight. There was one early effort at disruption and then nothing. Just silently slinking out of the room.

And when you compare what came before and how people react to it, it's really something. I agree. It's like waking up from a nightmare. Literal demons were reigning over our society. Faceless, masked demons telling us everything has to be destroyed.

Everything we believed before was wrong. The only thing bad about abortions was that there weren't enough of them. Humanity needs to die to save the planet. The true enemies of freedom are people who believe in God. The country needs to be torn down and replaced with something else. Don't ask what.

And then a goofy reality TV star saw the Crown of America lying in the gutter and decided, "I can take that crown up. I can put it on my head. Nobody else seems to see the value in it."

And for the utter arrogance of that act he was forced to wager his fortune, his life and sacred honor. And the man that emerged from that crucible was someone his enemies couldn't even muster up the will the wave shitty placards at.
 
Elissa Slotkin giving the Democrat official response. 'She' looks almost fucking identical to that ukrainian tranny broadcaster that got CRP killed, ugly outside and in.
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Watching this dumb bitch made me feel probably how a woman feels when an incel tries negging her to get her to sleep with him. Democrats have zero actual values or value and it’s never been more obvious. All they have left is petulant scolding
over the course of tonight the wife went from being mad at me for being too mean when repeating jokes from here as we compare notes for the day to texting her liberal friend badgering him about the dems being retards and bragging to me about it, such was the way the libs acted
I think Melania underwent the same change too. She looked genuinely steamed with him at the beginning and by the end she was looking at him like he hung the moon❤️
I don't disagree; I wish that Black culture would be more introspective to where positive Black figures would showcased and given credit based on merit and perseverance, not handed to us based on pity and entitlement.
black culture is literally all about grifting. The only way a black will respect you is if you don’t let them fuck you over. Notice I didn’t say ”the only way they respect you is if you fuck them over back”. This is a common mistake- it’s only a one-way street to them. Combine that with the kangism and unearned cultural cachet, they also have the insane unwarranted superiority complex of the oven dodgers. They’re like the worst qualities of gypsies and kikes combined, with the added fun of randomly chimping out and committing murder.
>Beef tallow fries: Back on the fucking menu
>Zelensky: Folded like a bitch
>Dems: Dabbed on
>4chan: Suddenly dies
This man is too goddamn powerful. May the Powers that be watch over him.
He’s bringing back LARD too? Bro he’s fixing my life in ways I had forgotten even exist….
 
Nope. Not at all. Let’s say you have a Chinese company that makes cheap Chinese toys. Each toy costs about $1 to make but is priced $5 for retail. If a 25% tariff is added, the Chinese company would still want their cheap Chinese toys to be cheaper than American toys, so they would just let the tariff eat into their profit margin.

Companies don't look at marginal unit costs or cost of revenue when it comes to assessing the impact of a new tax. They look at divisional operating costs or possibly the entire company's bottom line. When you factor in asset depreciation, R&D, fixed costs, and other overhead, that good that "costs you $1 to make and is sold for $5" isn't making you 400% profit margins; it's making 7.5% profit margins. So a 25% tax means either you raise prices or find a new supplier. That's what happens in the real world.

Right now, in real life, but with fake numbers, I have a production system that costs me $5 an hour to operate. I rent it out for $12 an hour. WAOW, that's 240% profit, says the retard. WAOW, I can tax you at 25% , and you won't change anything, says the moron.

Except the system itself cost $200,000. This is not paid for out of magic elf money. It's paid for out of that rent I'm collecting. Eventually. So to make rational plans, I have to model that as an hourly cost. 5 year depreciation, 8760 hours in a year, so that comes to 200,000 / (8760 x 5) = $4.56. So now my costs are $9.56. That 240% profit margin just got cut to 25%. We've got support staff for this thing, as well as salesmen making commission, and we can't rent it 24 hours a day, 365 days ayear, so at the end of the day, our profit ends up being around 84 cents per hour rented, or 7%.

Slap a 25% tax on me, and now I'm losing money. I will in fact raise prices to stay profitable, and I'll be raising them about the entire amount of the tax.
 
Democrats Are Acting Too Normal
The Atlantic (archive.ph)
By Tom Nichols

They really can't win

-If they all acted like lunatics to disrupt the speech, it would just give trump fodder and turn off centrists
-Doing nothing gets them criticized by the lunatics in their party.
-So they all chose some weird middle ground where they atleast get an Instagram photo they can try to campaign on.


Honestly, they should have all just not shown up. It's just as pointless, but I think its the least embarrassing option.
 
It's images like this that really reinforce my superstitious and probably autistic theory on the Mandate of Heaven. It was just so bizarre watching the democrats absolutely cower tonight. There was one early effort at disruption and then nothing. Just silently slinking out of the room.

And when you compare what came before and how people react to it, it's really something. I agree. It's like waking up from a nightmare. Literal demons were reigning over our society. Faceless, masked demons telling us everything has to be destroyed.

Everything we believed before was wrong. The only thing bad about abortions was that there weren't enough of them. Humanity needs to die to save the planet. The true enemies of freedom are people who believe in God. The country needs to be torn down and replaced with something else. Don't ask what.

And then a goofy reality TV star saw the Crown of America lying in the gutter and decided, "I can take that crown up. I can put it on my head. Nobody else seems to see the value in it."

And for the utter arrogance of that act he was forced to wager his fortune, his life and sacred honor. And the man that emerged from that crucible was someone his enemies couldn't even muster up the will the wave shitty placards at.
Yeah we went from reports from Axios that Crockett was going to chuck eggs at Trump, to Al Green acting like a retard and getting dragged out and the Democrats just folded. Then it made everything worse for them since they sat around like retards while a kid fighting cancer got a nice gift. The only time the fuckers clapped was when Trump asked if they wanted 5 more years of the war. They don't even look like real people, they look and act like you would expect an alien to look and act as they mimic human life for the first time.
 
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At most, censure, the equivalent of wagging your finger at someone. Here's an example of a censure of Ilhan Omar:
Actually, no. There is something worse that can be done. It's just never been done before. It is an unwritten and ceremonial rule of the US Congress.

If a member(s) of Congress becomes so recalcitrant that even the Sergeant at Arms cannot restore order, the Speaker of the House may direct the Sergeant at Arms to present the Mace of the House of Representatives.

Once the Mace has been presented, the speaker is allowed to wield the Mace as a weapon against the members defying the chair. In a very literal sense. He can bash it over their heads and potentially kill them.

The Mace has been presented on rare occasions and whatever dispute caused the presentation swiftly ended.
 
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Well I've caught up on all the most recent happenings at... ...Degenerate O'Clock. Gehenna told John Badman to kill himself, Trump got Elizabeth Warren to mouth 'you bet' as a response to someone talking to her when he called her out for being a warmongering witch (also she was clapping for more war in an act that I can only assume is seething honesty,) that purple haired lady was on the hunt for fresh life essence to drain to maintain her life for another month, there were all these little faggoty signs they kept holding up.

There is one thing I'll have to admit: Lil' Glowie DJ put a big ol' smile on my face. Hell, all the little gestures of goodwill towards Americans, especially those who have been victimized by previous power holders, is pretty nice. Yes it's fluff, but sentiment can carry you a long way in a world that's being pushed to be as cynical, jaded, and deranged as possible.

I feel kind of bad! Here I am enjoying the baptism of a glow-in-the-dark junior while the joyless internet people are screeching that Democrats didn't ruin this nice series of hopeful sentiments enough.

It's very sad behavior!
 
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Yeah we went from reports from Axios tha Crockett was going to chuck eggs at Trump, to Al Green acting like a retard and getting dragged out and the Democrats just folded. Then it made everything worse for them since they sat around like retards while a kid fighting cancer got a nice gift. The only time the fuckers clapped was when Trump asked if they wanted 5 more years of the war. They don't even look like real people, they look and act like you would expect an alien to look and act as they mimic human life for the first time.
Its because most of them are actors, they wake up every day and put on the performance of being a politician. They have done this act so long the real politicians are a dying breed now adays. The congressmen of today are just influencers they have entire teams that do all the thinking and image work for them. They have endless intern collage kids who got their poly sci degree thinking that by being a kiss ass to them and doing all the work of drafting and writing their speeches that the actors who play congressmen will credit them and help them beyond a pat on the head and a good job champ. Isolate a congressman from their teams for a month and see how well thought out their ideas are and their posturing looks then. you will see a confused actor looking for the script.
 
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