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They didn't just make a car. They reinvented the golf cart, but made it more dangerous to both themselves and pedestrians. At this point why not just get a golf cart, they are fun and a lot just run on batteries.
It's like a rickshaw, but gayer.
It isn't just gayer, it is much more front heavy and unwieldy than a normal rickshaw.

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If they refurbished one of these and retrofit an Ebike on to it then it would be a really cool project.
 
Just like how sea creatures tend to want to evolve into crabs, these horrific urbanist creations eventually evolve into cars.

Yup, what will inevitably happen is it becomes a way for some enterprising immigrant to bypass things like license plates, taxi medallions, Uber fees, and the congestion pricing. The upshot is that bugmen cyclists seethe.
If they bitched about the Amazon things clogging up the bike lane wait til they see this.
 
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They didn't just make a car. They reinvented the golf cart, but made it more dangerous to both themselves and pedestrians. At this point why not just get a golf cart, they are fun and a lot just run on batteries.

It isn't just gayer, it is much more front heavy and unwieldy than a normal rickshaw.

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If they refurbished one of these and retrofit an Ebike on to it then it would be a really cool project.
Yeah. They could also shorten it, give it a mostly enclosed cabin, take out the pedals and replace then with a motor.

Oh wait.


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I’ve ridden in one of these and they’re honestly not horrible, definitely better than whatever that monstrosity is.
 
I still prefer a rickshaw:
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I rode in one when my cousin and I were along Hollywood Blvd. by the Chinese theatre and needed to get to the Hollywood Bowl for a performance.

It's a pretty good way to make an entrance with a guy huffing along and dropping you off at the main gates.
 
I had mentioned this on another site but got no replies, probably for good reason.

Every time some hack comes up with "comparison" shots regarding freeways, especially on-the-ground shots, they don't really say what was demolished for freeways, it's just blurry aerials or photos from 30+ years before the highways were put in (a full generation).

When TxDOT (or any other government organization) releases a site plan, every building that is going to get chopped is shown on maps. Some of those maps may be harder to find these days but it shows all the operational businesses at the time. If you can't find those maps, you can still use other resources like city directories and newspaper articles to build an accurate map of what was the last version before clearances. If you were serious about your city getting "destroyed" for freeways and wanted to show the research for it, you can find information.

Do you suppose the lack of a convincing full directory is from people being too lazy to do real research, or fear that it would disprove their hypothesis?
 
Do you suppose the lack of a convincing full directory is from people being too lazy to do real research, or fear that it would disprove their hypothesis?
Most likely redditors being lazy and retarded to do their own original research, to be fair there have been significant chunks of cities that were demonstrably demolished to make room for expansion of vehicular infrastructure. For instance, I whipped this one up using GIS/paint. This is an archival aerial photo of Detroit I combined with its current highway layout (red) and dedicated surface parking within the Loop (orange)
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However just looking at an aerial image from the 40s/50s doesn't really do what's changed in these cities that much justice, continuing with Detroit in the modern day, the real reason why the city looks so empty is not just due to the highways, but almost entirely due to its overall infrastructural decline that many similar US city have also suffered from, both in quality and livability, to the point that many of these structures you see in older aerial photos got abandoned and demolished and were never replaced (or just filled in with surface parking lots as a cheap way to reuse old space). It's quite unfortunate since they lose out on a lot of uniquely American pieces of architecture but is expected as many of these places brought their decline on themselves through policies that incentivized deindustrializing domestically and failing to adapt multi modal infrastructure for the needs of an ever evolving country.
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Most likely redditors being lazy and retarded to do their own original research, to be fair there have been significant chunks of cities that were demonstrably demolished to make room for expansion of vehicular infrastructure. For instance, I whipped this one up using GIS/paint. This is an archival aerial photo of Detroit I combined with its current highway layout (red) and dedicated surface parking within the Loop (orange)
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However just looking at an aerial image from the 40s/50s doesn't really do what's changed in these cities that much justice, continuing with Detroit in the modern day, the real reason why the city looks so empty is not just due to the highways, but almost entirely due to its overall infrastructural decline that many similar US city have also suffered from, both in quality and livability, to the point that many of these structures you see in older aerial photos got abandoned and demolished and were never replaced (or just filled in with surface parking lots as a cheap way to reuse old space). It's quite unfortunate since they lose out on a lot of uniquely American pieces of architecture but is expected as many of these places brought their decline on themselves through policies that incentivized deindustrializing domestically and failing to adapt multi modal infrastructure for the needs of an ever evolving country.

There's no denying that buildings were demolished but these look to be the same SFH stock that literally has rotted away in the rest of the city (diagonal cutting, rather than building along main avenues, preserves most of the commercial businesses--Detroit is definitely zoned have the commercial businesses cluster around the main corridors).

But then again, Europe has dedicated an enormous amount of space to rail infrastructure, and the hand-waving of "it's rail, so it's okay" doesn't make sense if you're crying about "destroying the city". I'm not judging Europe for doing so, likely those too were crummy buildings on the way out.

There were a few corridors (including Detroit, but other cities as well) where the highway was built over a main thoroughfare (which is bad not only for the commercial district but messes up traffic flow) but for the most part they weren't. Furthermore, the inner-city freeways were usually the ones to be built last because the Interstate Highway System was designed to be an inter-city system, not an intra-city one. City leaders often demanded the downtown area be a hub system but by that time the downtowns were in decline anyway. (Related; all these "before and after highways" could just as easily be "before and after Civil Rights Act").

The reason I am so suspicious of this is even when it comes to freeway widening plans--why spend millions on a highway widening when you can spend billions on a train system that goes nowhere--is that they still play the same cards about destroying communities and businesses. But many of these plans (including Katy Freeway's widening) online and the truth is less dramatic. In addition to much, much better resolution so you can see what exactly went away, what actually gets torn down isn't much to write home about...gas stations, fast food, and the occasional 3-story office building. Single-family homes as well, but urbanists would rather knock these down anyway.

That is of course, the other thing, urbanists don't actually care about the structures knocked down, it's for the wrong thing. They'd cry about homes being bulldozed for a new highway widening but would happily run them down at any time if it was for a rail line. They'd cry about the street grid being damaged by a freeway but would happily close off any street if it suited them.
 
That is of course, the other thing, urbanists don't actually care about the structures knocked down, it's for the wrong thing. They'd cry about homes being bulldozed for a new highway widening but would happily run them down at any time if it was for a rail line. They'd cry about the street grid being damaged by a freeway but would happily close off any street if it suited them.
Yeah you can even still see a huge railway station in that 1951 photo of Detroit and all the train lines all along the "prime waterfront real estate" and breaking up the grid; I actually have a game theory that mass transit in the US never really worked that well anyway but that's because the companies that ran the trains in the country refused to provide reliable and cheap services to people even at their peak which was their ultimate downfall when the feds took over after WW2 and gave people what they wanted with the highway system - a convenient and affordable way to go places.
 
Yeah you can even still see a huge railway station in that 1951 photo of Detroit and all the train lines all along the "prime waterfront real estate" and breaking up the grid; I actually have a game theory that mass transit in the US never really worked that well anyway but that's because the companies that ran the trains in the country refused to provide reliable and cheap services to people even at their peak which was their ultimate downfall when the feds took over after WW2 and gave people what they wanted with the highway system - a convenient and affordable way to go places.
Maybe...but counterpoint, what countries have been rich enough for most of the populace to have cars and didn't take measures to kneecap them with high taxes/rail subsidies? Australia, sort of. A little underbuilt but it's there. Dubai looks like they copied American interchanges wholesale; I wouldn't be surprised if they outright hired Americans.

China's a little more complicated because the culture relies more on bullshittery. Hong Kong residents traded up from bicycles, and they have no qualms about wrecking populated areas for highways but the highways are spookily absent. Even in low-traffic main highways where you can drive as fast as you reasonably can, it's rarely dead empty. (Proof that "induced demand" isn't actually real.)
 
China's a little more complicated because the culture relies more on bullshittery.
China has a lot of highways and wide roads (an enormous amount, they have highways every two miles in some cities across the entire city, far more than any American city), but they're often designed in dumb ways causing them to be far less efficient than they could be. They have a ton of extremely short merge lanes, lanes appearing and disappearing randomly, lanes turning into turn only lanes then back into general purpose, and more braindead designs.
 
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China's a little more complicated because the culture relies more on bullshittery. Hong Kong residents traded up from bicycles, and they have no qualms about wrecking populated areas for highways but the highways are spookily absent. Even in low-traffic main highways where you can drive as fast as you reasonably can, it's rarely dead empty. (Proof that "induced demand" isn't actually real.)
Chinese highways are definitely worth glazing and will definitely piss off the fuckcars crowd but considering they're redditors they probably believe half of China doesn't even have electricity. Hunan is a very beautiful province but it's quite desolate so it would be obvious that there aren't many people on their roads, Zhangjiajie (the city in that blog) only has 250,000 people proper and many people go there for tourism, the number source states is from its 'prefecture level' status that includes all the surrounding counties (around ~4000mi^2). Anyway, it's a good example where its country provides people with an abundance of options to get around places, including driving, and they've done a lot of improvements considering it's only been 30 odd years that China really started fleshing out its national highway system.
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Also, the light rail line Jason is talking about cost C$17.5 billion for 19 km of rail, or in real units, $12.2 billion for 12 miles of rail. That's over a BILLION DOLLARS PER MILE! Jason told me that transit is supposed to be cheaper than car infrastructure?
Something something long term something something fewer car deaths something something cars are to blame for low ridership once it's open.
 
So... wait, what if, and hear me out, we remove the bike, put the center wheels on the front, and another pair on the back, then we grab a electromotor, a couple battery packs, we stick them under the seats, and then we put a wheel and pedals on the front end. We also make the it fully enclosed, add in seatbelts and airbags for better safety, and then we also have a dashboard with some gauges.
 
Yeah you can even still see a huge railway station in that 1951 photo of Detroit and all the train lines all along the "prime waterfront real estate" and breaking up the grid; I actually have a game theory that mass transit in the US never really worked that well anyway but that's because the companies that ran the trains in the country refused to provide reliable and cheap services to people even at their peak which was their ultimate downfall when the feds took over after WW2 and gave people what they wanted with the highway system - a convenient and affordable way to go places.
The car was a godsend for NA railways because it let them discontinue unprofitable branch line services without screwing over the people in Dumpkinsville completely. Speed ultimately killed passenger service which is why urbanists are always shrieking about 'high-speed rail'.
 
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