YABookgate

This makes me unbelievably sad.
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According to this bitch in the reel and 15.7K Instagram users, we might as well not even have names for our female protagonists because they are ✨literally me✨. Or you can have her do something horrifically, unforgivably immoral, that might snap them back to reality real quick.
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This makes me unbelievably sad.
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According to this bitch in the reel and 15.7K Instagram users, we might as well not even have names for our female protagonists because they are ✨literally me✨. Or you can have her do something horrifically, unforgivably immoral, that might snap them back to reality real quick.
Ok "Literally Me". YOU are what is ruining the book market. First off, I know what you read already, clearly its smut and not anything engaging. Second your IQ and that of your followers can't be above 90 if you really can't read about SOMEONE ELSE because you want to have a experience you cant have IRL.
 
Second your IQ and that of your followers can't be above 90 if you really can't read about SOMEONE ELSE because you want to have a experience you cant have IRL.
#OwnVoices may be to blame for this, as well, because they literally dictated who could write about whom, as in you, as a white man, couldn't make your main character an Asian or black or a woman, period. Someone who'd be in these YA spaces like this chick with the thousand dicks stare would've been programmed into believing that on top of having Main Character Syndrome. It's fucked.
 
#OwnVoices may be to blame for this, as well, because they literally dictated who could write about whom, as in you, as a white man, couldn't make your main character an Asian or black or a woman, period. Someone who'd be in these YA spaces like this chick with the thousand dicks stare would've been programmed into believing that on top of having Main Character Syndrome. It's fucked.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'll make the main character a tarantula if I want. Young adult has been a fucking curse upon literacy. I would blame The Strangers, but the main boom came around The Hunger Games. Hasn't been the same since. Books like the Count of Monte Cristo could NEVER be published under these conditions. Straight white male MC, slave owner, does morally dubious shit on the regular, a 1800's era stock trader bro- my nigga Edmond Dantes is all kinds of cancled
 
Books like the Count of Monte Cristo could NEVER be published under these conditions. Straight white male MC, slave owner, does morally dubious shit on the regular, a 1800's era stock trader bro- my nigga Edmond Dantes is all kinds of cancled
While I think you've had some naysayers decry it for not being politically correct, as far as I know, those very same women still get hot and bothered over Edmond because he's the very epitome of the kind of man they actually want irl. Think it helps that, thus far, a hot guy has played him in every adaptation. Also the book gets "forgiven" simply because Eugénie Danglars and Louise d'Armilly are one of the first lesbian characters in modern literature but nobody sensible remembers the book for that.
 
While I think you've had some naysayers decry it for not being politically correct, as far as I know, those very same women still get hot and bothered over Edmond because he's the very epitome of the kind of man they actually want irl. Think it helps that, thus far, a hot guy has played him in every adaptation. Also the book gets "forgiven" simply because Eugénie Danglars and Louise d'Armilly are one of the first lesbian characters in modern literature but nobody sensible remembers the book for that.
I remember the lesbians vaguely. They were a plot point in a *grabs book, checks page count* 1065 page book I suppose. As for Edmond... no. Just no. You cannot fix him ladies. That's kinda the point. He successfully takes out his anger issues on everyone that fucked him over- revenge is kinda the name of the game. There's no fixing that.
 
This makes me unbelievably sad.
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According to this bitch in the reel and 15.7K Instagram users, we might as well not even have names for our female protagonists because they are ✨literally me✨. Or you can have her do something horrifically, unforgivably immoral, that might snap them back to reality real quick.
Are we sure this isn't satire? Because that's exactly what satire of this mindset would look like.
 
I said it before, I'll say it again.

The Harry Potter fanfic to Twihard to YA/Romantasy Tween porn pipeline did to spec fiction what the 90s did to comic books.

Time will tell if the damage is terminal.
I gather from old posts that you work in the industry, though I have no idea in what capacity, so this may be an unanswerable question from your perspective—is there anyone in mainstream publishing who looks at the complete abandonment of male-oriented literature as a problem, an unserved market?

Maybe I'm in an optimistic mood at the moment, but I can't believe that everyone is so ideologically captured that they don't care about leaving money on the table.

That brings to mind another question—I recall that during the suit to block the Penguin/Simon and Schuster merger, there was an infamous bit of testimony that 85% of books with $250,000 advances don't earn out, and I think there was another quote that implied no one in the industry has any clue how to run a publishing company as a profitable business—something about no one knowing what will sell most of the time. Maybe I'm thinking of all the commentary I read about the $250,000 figure.

Is anyone actually concerned with, let alone trying to solve, this apparent problem? Does anyone think that maybe finding the next—I don't know—Gary Paulsen, Robert E. Howard, or Brett Easton Ellis or Chuck Palahniuk might bolster the bottom line this quarter and for many more to come?
 
Is anyone actually concerned with, let alone trying to solve, this apparent problem? Does anyone think that maybe finding the next—I don't know—Gary Paulsen, Robert E. Howard, or Brett Easton Ellis or Chuck Palahniuk might bolster the bottom line this quarter and for many more to come?
If I'm understanding @Boston Brand correctly, established publishing houses live off their back catalogs, meaning they can squander vast sums of money on USAID-style grift without a care in the world. It's basically a trust fund laundered through an IP suite held by a corporation.
 
Is anyone actually concerned with, let alone trying to solve, this apparent problem? Does anyone think that maybe finding the next—I don't know—Gary Paulsen, Robert E. Howard, or Brett Easton Ellis or Chuck Palahniuk might bolster the bottom line this quarter and for many more to come?
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The purpose of a system is what it does my nigga in Christ. The "problem" is on purpose.
 
Twilight ruined an entire generation of female readers.

This woman's opinion is a minority one. I doubt even five percent of readers (male or female) share it.

Part of the reason for my certainty on this is because, remember, I am surrounded by woke women in the YA industry. I showed the edited screenshots of this crazy lady to them, and they all got annoyed at her. I think we have a tendency to look at the most deranged viral TikTok and conclude it's more mainstream than it is.
 
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and I think there was another quote that implied no one in the industry has any clue how to run a publishing company as a profitable business—something about no one knowing what will sell most of the time.
Ark Press exists, and they seem to be pretty smart. They're offering a ten thousand dollar advance for the winner of a novel contest they are running. Seems like a smart way to drum up submissions. Hell, they even state out right that you don't have to win to get a publishing deal if they like your work.


Of course, good old Baen books exists as well.
 
Ark Press exists, and they seem to be pretty smart. They're offering a ten thousand dollar advance for the winner of a novel contest they are running. Seems like a smart way to drum up submissions. Hell, they even state out right that you don't have to win to get a publishing deal if they like your work.


Of course, good old Baen books exists as well.
Here's the thing once you've been in publishing you'll learn quickly: you don't need submissions. You don't want submissions. You'll have a pile so big of so much unreadable crap that it's more than a full time job. I know this because I was a front line "Slush reader" at the early stages of my career. The incompetence in writing is so ridiculous I can't even do it justice talking about it.

I have no idea why they're working to drum up more submissions. The only reason you'd want to publish someone as a house like this is if they have a following that can bring you enough readers to make up the editing/cover art investment and pay for a little of your overhead.
 
Here's the thing once you've been in publishing you'll learn quickly: you don't need submissions. You don't want submissions. You'll have a pile so big of so much unreadable crap that it's more than a full time job. I know this because I was a front line "Slush reader" at the early stages of my career. The incompetence in writing is so ridiculous I can't even do it justice talking about it.

I have no idea why they're working to drum up more submissions. The only reason you'd want to publish someone as a house like this is if they have a following that can bring you enough readers to make up the editing/cover art investment and pay for a little of your overhead.
Because you want to actually give people a chance you nitwit. Bring in fresh blood. Holy shit you're dumb.
 
is there anyone in mainstream publishing who looks at the complete abandonment of male-oriented literature as a problem, an unserved market?
Why do men always complain that they are being oppressed by a lack of pulpy literature being written in Current Year for them? Men are already occupied with a whole industry of multi-billion dollar movies, TV shows, and video games made by them just for them. Women are getting big in publishing because it's their only recourse in this situation, and it's much easier to enter than film or game development. Teenage boys aren't refusing to read because they're getting Twilight and bow and arrow princess books shoved down their throats; they'd simply rather play video games and watch porn. Do you know how many teachers and parents have tried and failed to encourage teenage boys to read? This is only a market that's being abandoned because it disappeared. If you want to revive it, stop complaining and show there's demand for it with your wallets.
Brett Easton Ellis or Chuck Palahniuk
Most dudebros wouldn't care about these guys if not for the movie adaptations they self-insert into, so this isn't a good example.
I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you I have a hatred of Shakespear not because the works themselves are somehow bad. But because we were forced to read and re-read them over and over again in school. Having to spend two weeks analyzing and reanalyzing the line "tomorrow you'll find me a grave man" will give you a hatred of it for a lifetime. I'm not alone in this.
Academia is running out of things to say about Shakespeare at this point. I just never cared about Shakespeare (though I did like The Tempest), and that's fine; not everyone has to like everything. I do care about ancient authors, especially in the original language; I'm sure we'll never run out of things to say about them.
This conscious attempt to avoid the dreaded purple prose has been a disaster for literacy rates.
I hate being forced into plain English writing. Yes, spamming long words and complex sentences can be used to make yourself seem smarter than you actually are and wallow in self-indulgence, but good purple prose has substance behind it, and using purple prose properly is a skill that takes far more effort than plain English and often enhances the work. Even academic papers benefit from a little purple prose at the right time.
 
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Why do men always complain that they are being oppressed by a lack of pulpy literature being written in Current Year for them? Men are already occupied with a whole industry of multi-billion dollar movies, TV shows, and video games made by them just for them. Women are getting big in publishing because it's their only recourse in this situation, and it's much easier to enter than film or game development. Teenage boys aren't refusing to read because they're getting Twilight and bow and arrow princess books shoved down their throats; they'd simply rather play video games and watch porn. Do you know how many teachers and parents have tried and failed to encourage teenage boys to read? This is only a market that's being abandoned because it disappeared. If you want to revive it, stop complaining and show there's demand for it with your wallets.

Honestly, I'm not saying I'm worried about a lack of modern day pulp, but more that there's fewer and fewer interests in it. Sure, there's plenty of other media formats but the key thing I do notice is that there's a lot of dudes and boys that are simply not aware of all the good stuff. I've seen a lot of guys who did nothing but consume anime and etc. for a long time, but then get surprised at how much they enjoyed a Robert E. Howard or Lovecraft or Bradbury or L'Amour story being read in audiobook form.

Most dudebros wouldn't care about these guys if not for the movie adaptations they self-insert into, so this isn't a good example.
it's not a good one, but it's a contemporary one. American Psycho is a slow burn of a book and the film is a perfect adaptation.

Academia is running out of things to say about Shakespeare at this point. I just never cared about Shakespeare (though I did like The Tempest), and that's fine; not everyone has to like everything. I do care about ancient authors, especially in the original language; I'm sure we'll never run out of things to say about them.
I mean, it's Shakespeare. "Critical Theory" will find new ways to pull it apart. I do agree with the fact that clumsily making teens focus on analyzing Shakespeare or other works on such an asinine level will kill interest in reading. I've met guys who've said that it just took one shitty teacher to kill their interest in books.

I hate being forced into plain English writing. Yes, spamming long words and complex sentences can be used to make yourself seem smarter than you actually are and wallow in self-indulgence, but good purple prose has substance behind it, and using purple prose properly is a skill that takes far more effort than plain English and often enhances the work. Even academic papers benefit from a little purple prose at the right time.
It's a really neat skill to have, but if you give me the choice between hackneyed purple prose and utilitarian prose, I'll go with the latter.
 
I've seen a lot of guys who did nothing but consume anime and etc. for a long time, but then get surprised at how much they enjoyed a Robert E. Howard or Lovecraft or Bradbury or L'Amour story being read in audiobook form.
I read Fahrenheit 451 when I was 13 and I really enjoyed it. The worst things in any novel are endless descriptions (Jules Verne is nasty, nasty, nasty for this), romance, and overly character-driven stuff, and that's not unique to teenage boys -- anyone can appreciate a fast-paced, decisive story in a cool setting. I also really liked The Invisible Man at the time for the same reasons; it blew my mind.
I do agree with the fact that clumsily making teens focus on analyzing Shakespeare or other works on such an asinine level will kill interest in reading.
In retrospect, I can see why Shakespeare is pushed -- it's all the good parts of literature in one and a good example for literary devices and whatnot -- but it also comes across as stodgy, boring, and overly melodramatic. Shakespeare is like musical scales; they can get really boring and obsessively autistic at times, but they have the basics.
 
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