Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[Optavia Sales Rep]

Robyn now states she is running a website design business.

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This could be very good for Robyn if she doesn't fuck it up. Focusing on other woo moms as a first step will keep her in her comfort zone, and hopefully she will branch out into other small businesses with time.

I'm guessing Luna's decline is too obvious to hide with filters, so the shilling for her own mlm woo shit is being shelved for now.

 

[Barbarella]

I'm guessing Luna's decline is too obvious to hide with filters, so the shilling for her own mlm woo shit is being shelved for now.

I think this still is some MLM woo shit. She’s not actually designing websites, she’s selling predesigned kits/online business, maybe complete with products, that others will eventually also push and she gets a commission. Same thing as a typical MLM only it’s just a digital space rather than a vitamin or water bubbler.

I’m really not sure how to describe it but she’s not doing anything but selling something to somebody else who will eventually sell it. Still a scam.

I’d like to see the “explore more here” section.

 

[Trinket]

I think this still is some MLM woo shit. She’s not actually designing websites, she’s selling predesigned kits/online business, maybe complete with products, that others will eventually also push and she gets a commission. Same thing as a typical MLM only it’s just a digital space rather than a vitamin or water bubbler.

I’m really not sure how to describe it but she’s not doing anything but selling something to somebody else who will eventually sell it. Still a scam.

I’d like to see the “explore more here” section.

Right click on the website to see the source code. There you will find all the woo and how much it costs to woo others.

https://kajabi.com/features/coaching

(edited for bad typing)

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

I'm pretty sure she already dipped her toe into this one for a hot minute like a year ago and then promptly dropped it. Guess she's running out of options for shills that will take her

 

[Breadbear]

Robyn now states she is running a website design business.

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This isn't web design, this is... I don't know what this is. She wants to reiki people into manifesting their web sites, I guess?

 

[TractorGirl]

How about you stop being terminally online googling woo and peddling your MLM wares and attend to your toddler and baby?

 

[ILikeYou]

I think this still is some MLM woo shit. She’s not actually designing websites, she’s selling predesigned kits/online business, maybe complete with products, that others will eventually also push and she gets a commission. Same thing as a typical MLM only it’s just a digital space rather than a vitamin or water bubbler.

I’m really not sure how to describe it but she’s not doing anything but selling something to somebody else who will eventually sell it. Still a scam.

Yeah, something is really off here. Out of nowhere, she's now a webpage designer and coder? If she were one, why would she only accept customers who's business she deems 'heart-centered' enough?! I think she's targeting a specific kind of person, so she can get them in on her many scams as her downline, or something similar.

She says she's entering her 'millionaire era'--by doing what, though? Each MLM she belongs to is more money flushed down the drain, in monthly fees, monthly personal volume (purchase requirements), more time spent posting stuff & doing Zooms online for no pay. She's so stuck on these 'accessible', 'easy' businesses, rather than getting a legit work-from-home job, or starting a genuine business, herself. Then she throws even more money down the toilet by doing completely unproven therapies like those TV screens buzzing away for hours. She's spent maybe $1000 on that, already now.

I get the sense their finances aren't looking great. A family of five, all supported by the paycheck of a construction supervisor, which might be comfortable if they both had an income. But she's spending it faster than they can make it, I think. Has she ever given more insight into their financial details? The gofundme/supportnow fundraisers give me the sense they're always on edge, w/ money (though I do think Robyn just likes handouts, too), and the fact that they don't own a home seems a bit strange to me, too, for a family w/ three kids, so interested in the family image and image of abundance she tries to project. I think if they *could* own one, she'd love to make a post bragging about how great it was to buy her home, and you can do that too if you join her business, etc.

Is there any reason why ppl who work for KB Homes would opt to not buy one, specifically, that makes it understandable they don't buy? A

 

[Ms. Marple]

I think they’re broke and burdened with debt. She made a post a long time ago that her “courses” don’t bring her enough money and she’s tired of struggling and being in the space of lack. That was probably one of the very few honest things she’s ever said but it was said to promote another MLM. Which I’m pretty sure we never heard of again.

She doesn’t seem to be interested in real work. Even as an entrepreneur, you need to be good at something and have an actual plan. She doesn’t seem to be particularly good at anything, which I also think is why she’s so fixated on being a mother. That’s like the only thing she’s good at. In her head, that is.

Realistically, they’d be better off with her not doing anything other than raising those kids. I’m sure thousands of dollars were flushed down the drain on the countless MLMs she’s been involved with over the years.

But it seems she wants a quick fix and thinks affirmations will materialize into millions of dollars. She’s just very naive, immature and entitled. And Glenn is too weak of a man to draw the line.

 

[Trombonista]

Robyn now states she is running a website design business.

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"Hello Syo!" You're signed up for her emails? That's some dedication.

 

[TismFarmer]

"Hello Syo!" You're signed up for her emails? That's some dedication.

I, for one, really appreciate the sacrifice!
I'm interested, but not enough to have Lizard Woman in my inbox, even if it's just the TismFarmer's inbox...

 

[GenociderSyo]

They never keep up the mailing lists for long. Though one day she sent out about 7 in a day.

 

[Trombonista]

Though one day she sent out about 7 in a day.

There must have been a lot of spelling mistakes in them.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Glenn IG:

 

[often puzzled]

Tree jamming out to the Rolling Stones has officially completely melted me. Kiddo even dropped his cup when he started rocking out. I'm deceased. He's adorable.

Great to see Atlas tooling around, too.

 

[Zeb Macahan]

Robyn and Glenn makes cute kids, you gotta give them that. But it also makes you think about how cute Luna would have been, maybe dancing with Tree in that video...

 

[fagnarok]

Robyn and Glenn makes cute kids, you gotta give them that. But it also makes you think about how cute Luna would have been, maybe dancing with Tree in that video...

If she was cute and normally functioning, though, Robyn would just emotionally destroy and undermine her life in other insidious ways.

Just look at other narc mother / girl child relationships for evidence. The Farms has a lot of them: Margo and Venus Palermo, Becky Gerber and her poor flat-headed baby Hannah, and Jill Noyes-Rodrigues with her passel of daughters are only a few examples.

Luna might never even realize how fucked their relationship was and would possibly stay in their enmeshed dynamic for most if not all of her life. Like JillRod's eldest daughter Nurie.
If Luna ever did rebel, she might end up an equally dysfunctional trainwreck like Venus is now, or given modern politics, might end up pooning out like Shauna Ahern (Gluten Free Girl)'s and Cecily Kellogg's kids did.
She might have escaped eventually and become relatively "normal", except for posting on lolcow or Kiwifarms and having difficulty forming close personal relationships, like some of us have done. But the odds would be stacked against her and the less-than-best-case scenarios are terrible.

I'm definitely not saying "she's better off this way," because ... look at the poor thing. But at least she is unaware of her own suffering and is only trapped inasmuch as her inanimate flesh husk is still bound to the moral coil; she isn't also emotionally and psychologically trapped in hell with her demonic mother, and she won't go on to one day replicate the cycle with her own children.

 

[kyonara]

If she was cute and normally functioning, though, Robyn would just emotionally destroy and undermine her life in other insidious ways.

Just look at other narc mother / girl child relationships for evidence. The Farms has a lot of them: Margo and Venus Palermo, Becky Gerber and her poor flat-headed baby Hannah, and Jill Noyes-Rodrigues with her passel of daughters are only a few examples.

Luna might never even realize how fucked their relationship was and would possibly stay in their enmeshed dynamic for most if not all of her life. Like JillRod's eldest daughter Nurie.
If Luna ever did rebel, she might end up an equally dysfunctional trainwreck like Venus is now, or given modern politics, might end up pooning out like Shauna Ahern (Gluten Free Girl)'s and Cecily Kellogg's kids did.
She might have escaped eventually and become relatively "normal", except for posting on lolcow or Kiwifarms and having difficulty forming close personal relationships, like some of us have done. But the odds would be stacked against her and the less-than-best-case scenarios are terrible.

I'm definitely not saying "she's better off this way," because ... look at the poor thing. But at least she is unaware of her own suffering and is only trapped inasmuch as her inanimate flesh husk is still bound to the moral coil; she isn't also emotionally and psychologically trapped in hell with her demonic mother, and she won't go on to one day replicate the cycle with her own children.

While I feel guilty stating this, I think it is the actual, naked truth: Luna is better off not knowing Robin exists at all. She is better off being incapable of critical thought, of reflecting on decades of emotional terrorism and wondering if there's something broken or wrong with her. Robyn doesn't love anyone but herself. I can say this with certainty, as a stranger, on the Internet, because any of us who have passed through the horrific trial of human childbirth can testify that once the contractions start, your personal comfort is the absolute lowest priority, the last thing on your mind, especially if things start to turn a little south. Who the hell is worried for themselves over their baby? Robyn is.

That she put her own comfort, her desire for a perfect Instagrammable childbirth experience over the life of her unborn daughter tells me exactly the kind of person that she is. It's my sincere hope that Atlas and Thorin Oakenshield get through having her as a mother with their souls unscathed; that Robyn is the kind of deranged mom whose ugly side would only present with a source of perceived competition. But Luna is better off. She can't have the thought, "My own mother doesn't even seem to like me. How can she possibly love me? What's wrong with me?," because thanks to Mommy Dearest, her brain is one big cyst.

It's a mercy.

Spoiler: feels, I suppose

"She might have escaped eventually and become relatively 'normal', except for posting on lolcow or Kiwifarms and having difficulty forming close personal relationships, like some of us have done." I re-read this sentence like eight times because I can't believe what a succinct rundown of my entire life that is.

Edit: I can't spell.

 

[TismFarmer]

Little Twiggy rocking to the Stones is so adorable!
He also give us the info that Gymbrah 'dances' by putting one arm up and swaying backwards and forwards...

@fagnarok: I agree with your assessment of Lunas life vs the life she could have had.
There are enough of us here that know it's the truth.

@kyonara: I agree with you too...about Luna as well as how uncomfortably insightful fagnarok is.

 

[fagnarok]

@fagnarok: I agree with your assessment of Lunas life vs the life she could have had.
There are enough of us here that know it's the truth.

@kyonara: I agree with you too...about Luna as well as how uncomfortably insightful fagnarok is.

I have learned to communicate these things from the fags, autists, and other wrong-thinkers on this site, and love you all for that.

 

[FarmVille]

While I feel guilty stating this, I think it is the actual, naked truth: Luna is better off not knowing Robin exists at all. She is better off being incapable of critical thought, of reflecting on decades of emotional terrorism and wondering if there's something broken or wrong with her.

That’s a hard NO from me. My mom was way worse than Robin but I’d still rather be me than Luna, even though I grew up to be a KF poster.