Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
We already had a supreme court ruling on this exact question, only a decade or so ago. The answer was no, without a victim you do not have CP, or a crime. Even 100% life like CG.
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Care Act 2003, read up on Christopher Handley.

or in the case of making CGI renders of realistic child porn, there's this dude in the UK.

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similar to gooners this is just a natural progression of how pedophiles have to satiate their lust, lolicon doesn't do it anymore so they have to substitute it with realistic 3d renders, and before you know it they'll end up seeking out real CSAM, ultimately culminating how these types end up soliciting children. it should be discouraged because it leads to worse.
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Speech and freedoms don't need to justify their existence.. Our entire society and concept of freedom (legal and otherwise) is setup based on that principle. It doesn't need an upside.. The government needs a compelling reason, beyond how icky it makes us feel, to restrict or ban it.. Let alone send someone to prison for years over it. There is no getting around that. Once you invert or reverse the concept of rights and protections like that, everything falls. All of our rights hinge on the concept.

Also.. there is no such thing as drawn or fictional CP. At least not in a legal sense.

Like i said before.. CP can get fucked, the broad effects on fictional drawing in general, especially the new witch to hunt in the form of "minor characters" (<18) is a much more worrying aspect. But it all requires defending sadly. Demands it in fact.
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If it look like a child...act like a child and speak like a child.
By the way in many countries drawn shit is considered csam.
THAT A CHILD
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Toji Suzuhara said:
It promotes, normalizes, and justifies pedophilia, that's the very compelling reason
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That really isn't a justification for banning anything, let alone speech/drawings.

Well there goes all violence, criminals and and likely even crime stories in media.. In fact any depiction of criminality or immorality. This argument is EXACTLY the same as "video games cause violence". I have yet too see a compelling case for that kind of argument and logic, that goes beyond being based on how icky or troubled it makes someone feel. Anything enough people decide they don't like in fact.

I do agree that the 100% realistic CG issue is probably intolerable. I'm just not sure what can be done. It isn't just CP laws and definitions that need to be changed, basic due process and criminal law as well. It gets into the very dangerous territory. Criminal conviction without even being able to prove a victim, let alone name one... or even a crime beyond thought for that matter. I agree with others, targeting AI stuff made with real CP might be a good place to start. As it stands now, as per the court case.. there's nothing the could really be done. The dissenting opinion in the case even pointed this out explicitly as heir reason for dissenting. So the idea that they just didn't understand is incorrect. The CG issue is also somewhat of a bait and switch, since these laws expressly target drawings, non realistic, let alone photographic art. Betrays the real motive.

I don't look at loli, i don't like loli and i don't care on a personal, moral and ethical level if it went away completely ASAP.. But on a legal level it is dangerous and wrong. Fiction is fiction, this isn't even a slippery slope it's racing down the hill. That's is to say, it isn't opening the door to unjustified abridgment of freedoms and norms, IT IS such. A redefinition of fundamental rights. This is the view i take on all speech. Outside of maybe yelling to an angry crowd armed with weapons, to commit a violent crime, or some other extreme scenario, there is no justification for restricting it.

I know people like null worry about the optics and such, i respect that, but view it as a losing game. Once this, then that and another, justified by the first. Pandora's box.
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Well there goes all violence, criminals and and likely even crime stories in media.. In fact any depiction of criminality or immorality. This argument is EXACTLY the same as "video games cause violence".
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Why do pedos always say their disgusting porn is just like video game violence? Video games don't (and can't) teach you how to shoot a gun in the real world, but jerking off to children is still jerking off to children.

Get a new argument.
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Well there goes all violence, criminals and and likely even crime stories in media.. In fact any depiction of criminality or immorality. This argument is EXACTLY the same as "video games cause violence". I have yet too see a compelling case for that kind of argument and logic, that goes beyond being based on how icky or troubled it makes someone feel. Anything enough people decide they don't like in fact.
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People don't normally goon to violence and criminality in media, maybe that's just you.
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
I do agree that the 100% realistic CG issue is probably intolerable.
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"Photorealistic child pornography is probably intolerable" I think that the correct word is far harsher than "probably"
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
I'm just not sure what can be done.
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Ban it.
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
It isn't just CP laws and definitions that need to be changed, basic due process and criminal law as well. It gets into the very dangerous territory. Criminal conviction without even being able to prove a victim, let alone name one... or even a crime beyond thought for that matter.
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It's a crime aganist society at large, and for photorrealistic AI-generated imagery the crime is aganist any and all children whose imagery was used as a blueprint to help create said AI-generated pornography.
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
As it stands now, as per the court case.. there's nothing the could really be done. The dissenting opinion in the case even pointed this out explicitly as heir reason for dissenting. So the idea that they just didn't understand is incorrect. The CG issue is also somewhat of a bait and switch, since these laws expressly target drawings, non realistic, let alone photographic art. Betrays the real motive.
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It covers everything to not leave out loopholes and blindspots in the law.
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
I don't look at loli, i don't like loli and i don't care on a personal, moral and ethical level if it went away completely ASAP.. But on a legal level it is dangerous and wrong. Fiction is fiction, this isn't even a slippery slope it's racing down the hill. That's is to say, it isn't opening the door to unjustified abridgment of freedoms and norms, IT IS such. A redefinition of fundamental rights. This is the view i take on all speech. Outside of maybe yelling to an angry crowd armed with weapons, to commit a violent crime, or some other extreme scenario, there is no justification for restricting it.
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If you don't care, don't post.
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
I know people like null worry about the optics and such, i respect that, but view it as a losing game. Once this, then that and another, justified by the first. Pandora's box.
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"Defend pedophiles or else the liberals (pedophiles) win"
 
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Markass the Worst said:
Why do pedos always say their disgusting porn is just like video game violence? Video games don't (and can't) teach you how to shoot a gun in the real world, but jerking off to children is still jerking off to children.

Get a new argument.
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I am glad I'm a 2000s kid and wasn't born afraid of the BIG BAD Jack Thompson, a goofy lawyer who sent photos of Batman to the people he sued and lost virtually every case he brought against the video game industry
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
No of course not, are you fucking retarded? Fictional drawings sure as hell are though.
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The drawings still represent a fuckin' child dumbass.
The drawing part is the loophole the law didn't tackle yet in the states.
It their ((safe)) fix
Holy fuck can we move on.
You doth protest too much me thinks.
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Well there goes all violence, criminals and and likely even crime stories in media.. In fact any depiction of criminality or immorality. This argument is EXACTLY the same as "video games cause violence".
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Don't know about you, but normally people don't play violent games for sexual gradification and if they do they are considered weird asf. And to a certain degree you can justify violence, unlike getting off to an abstract depiction of a child.
 
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