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That's what I'm thinking about, as well. How is this going to even play out? They must have something that's so incriminating that they're allowed to reverse a presidential pardon.
There's nothing to reverse a presidential pardon. As written, Article II is exceedingly clear, that the pardon authority is unassailable and absolute. The only thing that would make it stick is a smoking gun proving, without a doubt, that the pardons never actually took place. We would need the Nixon Watergate tapes 2.0 for that, which is possible, but almost certainly this won't hold water.
 
That's exactly my point. How the hell is that going to play out?
Honestly, there's a smoking gun in the autopen thing. If some staffer could simply press the button while the President is indisposed of then it brings to question a lot of things. Say if Musk pressed the auto pin button while Trump is doing watersports on Russian Hookers, they might want to ask questions. So we're asking did Biden pardon them or did some faggot intern pardoned them.
 
If Trump can provide legitimate evidence that Biden had no knowledge of approval of the pardons signed in his name, would this still hold up? I don't know if it is an issue the courts have ever come close to dealing with.
This doesn't exist so we don't need to think about it.

Because if it existed, we would already know about it. Trump would be sperging out about it and posting videos of it.
 
It'll be really funny if we get a huffy clarification from the courts that the president does not have the power to reverse a pardon of a previous president...only to have Trump pardon himself later to prevent any of the federal stuff he was charged with from ever coming back again, but now with an extra layer of protection.

I'm not convinced this is 4D chess but that outcome would be really really funny.
 
It'll be really funny if we get a huffy clarification from the courts that the president does not have the power to reverse a pardon of a previous president...only to have Trump pardon himself later to prevent any of the federal stuff he was charged with from ever coming back again, but now with an extra layer of protection.

I'm not convinced this is 4D chess but that outcome would be really really funny.
Trump could already self pardon this isn't 4d chess its just retarded flailing by an old senile man.

A familiar picture in the US.
 
I think Trump is running out of odd things to do that will appeal to his base. The man has decided to try and deliver everything he promised in his first month. Sure that's cool and all, but there needs to be a bit more moderation here. He's going too fast and his support is going to burn out if he doesn't consistently deliver results year after year. Even if his supporters have gotten everything they wanted.
 
There's nothing to reverse a presidential pardon. As written, Article II is exceedingly clear, that the pardon authority is unassailable and absolute. The only thing that would make it stick is a smoking gun proving, without a doubt, that the pardons never actually took place. We would need the Nixon Watergate tapes 2.0 for that, which is possible, but almost certainly this won't hold water.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of this. This is most certainly a really weird and frankly stupid decision to make.
 
Honestly, there's a smoking gun in the autopen thing.
There isn't. Article II does not establish a need for signing anything.
Or maybe actually see if a blank pardon holds up in court
Again, the presidential pardon is unassailable and absolute. It is one of the most important powers the President has. No court is going to uphold a challenge to codified Article II authority because it would be a disaster. I'm telling you, you don't want to establish some gotcha rule about pardons, because what's the first thing the next Democrat is going to do? Go after J6 protesters using whatever loopholes are carved out. It's a slippery slope and thoroughly undesirable.
 
Personally I just think this is Trump making MSM melt the fuck down for another week while they are already legit having crying sessions over how much news there is to cover but these people should absolutely all be dragged and forced to answer questions about what they got pardoned on either way. Like we 100% know Cheney doctored and deleted evidence while also working with witnesses to influence testimony make her admit to that shit publicly.

Yeah, I don't know what to make of this. This is most certainly a really weird and frankly stupid decision to make.
According to libtards and most congressional dems Article 2 doesn't mean shit and any federal judge has more power then the President on any sort of decision.
 
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