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I refuse to watch that communist, but I imagine he says something to the degree of muh rich, muh slavery, etc etc.
Probably. Wonder what spurred this video's creation however. Was the Trump Admin talking about the Founding Fathers recently or something?
 
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I refuse to watch that communist, but I imagine he says something to the degree of muh rich, muh slavery, etc etc.
At the end, he says American exceptionalism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Puritans and Patriots were not special but they believed they were. He also apparently didn't mention some historical events, people or groups that were important to the conflict.

Here is an excerpt from the conclusion portion of the video:
"By popping the bubble of the exceptionalist myth it's not my intention to tear America down or to make anyone feel bad about themselves. What am I trying to do is encourage all of us Americans is to do a little bit of a self-reflection about the historical context surrounding our founding and what that says about us. I would argue that the nationalistic mythology of this country's birth functions to encourage blind obedience. Stand for the anthem, kneel for the flag, which is itself ironically against the spirit of resistance that kicked this whole thing off in the first place. By examining the history of our revolution humbly and honestly we can get to know ourselves better."
 
Is the USA /really/ founded on a "spirit of rebellion" though?

The Founding Fathers (and most of the Continental Army) were fighting for the right to be free of a foreign ruler, not to be free of rulers. There was a strong moral belief in God given rights and a strong economic impetus but it was by no means anarchistic or even particularly libertine. It was the belief that a leader or ruler should be empowered by the people he leads or rules and not by God or the church.

Combine that with the Colonial elite wanting to actually keep their wealth and not have to ship it across an ocean to some asshole who's only in charge because his daddy was in charge and the quickly growing cultural and identity differences between a seemingly callous leech of a mother country and a group of people who are being denied the same basic rights as those callous leeches due to factors well beyond their control.
 
Is the USA /really/ founded on a "spirit of rebellion" though?

The Founding Fathers (and most of the Continental Army) were fighting for the right to be free of a foreign ruler, not to be free of rulers. There was a strong moral belief in God given rights and a strong economic impetus but it was by no means anarchistic or even particularly libertine. It was the belief that a leader or ruler should be empowered by the people he leads or rules and not by God or the church.

Combine that with the Colonial elite wanting to actually keep their wealth and not have to ship it across an ocean to some asshole who's only in charge because his daddy was in charge and the quickly growing cultural and identity differences between a seemingly callous leech of a mother country and a group of people who are being denied the same basic rights as those callous leeches due to factors well beyond their control.
There is the whole concept of a "right to rebellion" and "right to revolution" that was used to justify to the American Revolution but attaching to it any kind of anarchist goal is absurd. The only way the idea can work is if the word "rebellion" is taken to its most extreme definition. To make that claim seems like gross misinterpretation of history. The United States the Patriots fought for and founded had a weaker federal government, more empowered states and a lack of standing army sure but they still wanted a national President, Congress and Supreme Court. If they were at all anarchistic would they have set up the country in such a way?
 
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The biggest fumble of the American left was letting the Right have the American flag. Leftist and even progressive at protests will wave every flag in the world except the US flag

Still flip-flopping here north of the border.

Was driving around this weekend and noticed trucks going around with tiny Leaf flags.

Three months ago that would've meant patriot, based, Fuck Trudeau and convoy supporter.

Now there's a better chance due to the 51st State gayop that it's some cucked MSM-watching TDS civil servant NPC.
 
Atun-Shei made a video on the Revolutionary War.

Here is an excerpt from the conclusion portion of the video: There is the whole concept of a "right to rebellion" and "right to revolution" that was used to justify to the American Revolution but attaching to it any kind of anarchist goal is absurd. The only way the idea can work is if the word "rebellion" is taken to its most extreme definition. To make that claim seems like gross misinterpretation of history. The United States the Patriots fought for and founded had a weaker federal government, more empowered states and a lack of standing army sure but they still wanted a national President, Congress and Supreme Court. If they were at all anarchistic would they have set up the country in such a way?
Not watching Leftist-Lincolnite cringe. Just read Charles Beard instead for a critical piece on the Founding Fathers and their economic motives for pursuing the Consitution. It's leagues above in terms of quality and thought than Atun-Shei's proselytizing of "slavery bad, white man bad, BLM good."
 
Is the USA /really/ founded on a "spirit of rebellion" though?

The Founding Fathers (and most of the Continental Army) were fighting for the right to be free of a foreign ruler, not to be free of rulers. There was a strong moral belief in God given rights and a strong economic impetus but it was by no means anarchistic or even particularly libertine. It was the belief that a leader or ruler should be empowered by the people he leads or rules and not by God or the church.

Combine that with the Colonial elite wanting to actually keep their wealth and not have to ship it across an ocean to some asshole who's only in charge because his daddy was in charge and the quickly growing cultural and identity differences between a seemingly callous leech of a mother country and a group of people who are being denied the same basic rights as those callous leeches due to factors well beyond their control.

His argument is that the USA's founding was based on alliance of working class liberal idealists and colonial elites who worked together to buildup a framework for the revolution before it even happened. Imagine the patriots as the kindling at the center of the fire and the elites building the framework to materially support the revolution as the little house of wood you build around the stuff that lights first. The revolution was not spontaneous, but something built up. Even deeper than that it was made possible by shared values within the culture of American exceptionalism. They believed they could win so they tried something seemingly impossible and won.

You could literally say the same about the French revolution. At its core were liberal elites who wanted to build a pro-capitalist liberal society with an army of working class artisans. The big difference in the French revolutionary case is that some of their lawyers were extremist liberals who managed to whip their army of working class urban artisans/workers into a genocidal frenzy that later resulted in the rise of a popular reactionary/progressive hybrid thing under Napoleon. If anything, what kept the US revolution "sane" was that their liberal elites all shared a class identity that was very exclusionary. American liberal democracy existed to enrich a select few and had to expand itself to more and more people, while the French revolution was clearly more revolutionary. Although I guess another huge difference is that France was a centralized state that insisted on everybody following Paris and the US was decentralized so differences like slavery that would upset a Bostonian radical artisan could be easier to sweep under the rug.
 
Do not forget either that the average American was a committed Protestant Christian, and most of the founding fathers too. The ones that weren't were mostly deists who still essentially held to those principles.

The average rural French were committed Catholics, the average urbanites (especially in Paris) were not committed, and the revolutionary elite were mostly fundamentally opposed to Christianity because they saw the Catholic Church as part of the problem.

Safe to say that one revolution had a far more Christian character to it than the other. Thomas Paine was considered extreme in the States, yet was an ally of the (relatively) moderate Girondins in France and only kept his head because a jailer made an error in marking his door.
 
I refuse to watch that communist, but I imagine he says something to the degree of muh rich, muh slavery, etc etc.
Whenever I see a thumbnail with the format of a black bar over someone's eyes accompanied by a "The real x of y" clickbait title I feel a strong urge to throttle my monitor.
Probably. Wonder what spurred this video's creation however. Was the Trump Admin talking about the Founding Fathers recently or something?
Nothing new; remember during the Summer of Floyd once people acquiesced to the tearing down of Confederate monuments they started going after the statues of Union and Revolutionary leaders. That wasn't a novel occurrence either; Jefferson had multiple black legends pushed against him since the Clinton admin and Washington and Madison increasingly became relegated to slaveowner because academic progressives (correctly) identified that they and many other founders had a lot in common with the Confederates and, worse, they were white men.
At its core were liberal elites who wanted to build a pro-capitalist liberal society
This was the stated ideological goal initially, and abandoned the moment the Committee of Public Safety needed a command economy to fuel the war effort, like every other leftist revolution in history.
 
Atun-Shei made a video on the Revolutionary War.


I refuse to watch that communist, but I imagine he says something to the degree of muh rich, muh slavery, etc etc.

its basically the revolution wasn't special littered with the usual muh oppression and commie adjacent theorycrafting.

you mean to tell me the actual revolution wasn't like the paintings with washington and franklin posing like supermen fashion models amidst explosions and gunfire? no shit sherlock I figured that one out in 3rd grade.



His argument is that the USA's founding was based on alliance of working class liberal idealists and colonial elites who worked together to buildup a framework for the revolution before it even happened. Imagine the patriots as the kindling at the center of the fire and the elites building the framework to materially support the revolution as the little house of wood you build around the stuff that lights first. The revolution was not spontaneous, but something built up. Even deeper than that it was made possible by shared values within the culture of American exceptionalism. They believed they could win so they tried something seemingly impossible and won.
You could literally say the same about the French revolution. At its core were liberal elites who wanted to build a pro-capitalist liberal society with an army of working class artisans. The big difference in the French revolutionary case is that some of their lawyers were extremist liberals who managed to whip their army of working class urban artisans/workers into a genocidal frenzy that later resulted in the rise of a popular reactionary/progressive hybrid thing under Napoleon. If anything, what kept the US revolution "sane" was that their liberal elites all shared a class identity that was very exclusionary. American liberal democracy existed to enrich a select few and had to expand itself to more and more people, while the French revolution was clearly more revolutionary. Although I guess another huge difference is that France was a centralized state that insisted on everybody following Paris and the US was decentralized so differences like slavery that would upset a Bostonian radical artisan could be easier to sweep under the rug.

the french and precommunist Bourgeoisie let the far left demagogues and their lower class rabble stooges get out of control while they managed to keep control in america and britain. So actually the american (and british) revolutions ARE special in the sense than they call into question the necessity of the chaos that consumed other countries in their transition from the old monarchies. Can anyone really argue france/russia today etc are much better than the us/uk? its a much more interesting avenue to explore than the room temperature take in the video.
 
You could literally say the same about the French revolution. At its core were liberal elites who wanted to build a pro-capitalist liberal society with an army of working class artisans.
No you couldn't. The spark of the revolution was a famine. The middle class attempted to convert a bread riot into some grand event and gunned down anyone who stood in the way. Royalist peasant were pursued with genocidal intent. In fact in many areas the Royalists broached across class lines. While good luck finding that in the revolutionary council.
There was no planning and no cooperation. If you read into first hand period accounts you can tell the goal was never to get to a revolution but get to the point where the king would trade powers for help with the peasants. It was a game of chicken with a hungry mob.
in the rise of a popular reactionary/progressive hybrid thing under Napoleon
Napoleon didn't come through as some great reactionary. He was in Paris to crush a royalist rebellion and took over because nobody stopped him. Because anyone able got a haircut a few inches too short. Napoleon became excused as some great Emperor after the fact. I mean think about it why would the French monarchy and nobility rally behind an Italian petty noble.
 
Also, found a listing on the "Famous Birthdays" website for Zoomer's prior username. It is probably where they culled/cross-referenced some info. from, since the archive was made on the 29th January this year.
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to the surprise of absolutely no one
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Sigismunds would be the last Holy Roman ruler to defend and jews while letting them speak during the Council of Constance only for them to portray him as evil 600 years later.
 
Safe to say that one revolution had a far more Christian character to it than the other. Thomas Paine was considered extreme in the States, yet was an ally of the (relatively) moderate Girondins in France and only kept his head because a jailer made an error in marking his door.
It's interesting to think about what happened to Paine. At one point he was a revolutionary intellectual motivating colonial Patriots to rebel from Great Britain and then by the end of the life he was ostracized because he felt he was betrayed, ridiculed Christianity and attacked the leaders of the United States. Apparently only six people attended his funeral. Too radical for his own good I guess.
 
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