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Not quite. He said he signed something completely different.


Also, I can no longer download anything from youtube since neither yt-dlp or any of the downloader sites I used work for me anymore.
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That's actually pretty suggestive. If they were authorized, why not autopen them all?
Because Hunter had a metaphorical gun to Biden's head. If it was just another pardon then he would have done it on his last day like the others. Hunter wanted to take no chances with his dad's health declining and jailtime coming, so he forced him to sign a massive blanked pardon early and probably even had him sign it in front of him.

Make the autopen have a fingerprint scanner and require a successful scan to sign?
Then what happens if they hack it or someone recreates the signature on an autopen without a biolock? Just do a real signature or add a thumb print so if anyone has any concerns they can see the original paper and confirm if it was them or not.
 
Make the autopen have a fingerprint scanner and require a successful scan to sign?
It's an analogue version of copy/paste. Would we allow people to copy/paste his signature? No. Of course not.

The Autopen should be banned. We're smarter than this, and people aren't as ethical as they were when it first came out.
 
Please do
This is almost certainly going to get lost in events but still I will answer with a less abridged version:
Political inauthenticity has always been an unavoidable problem int he democratic system once you go above a certain size. A politician cannot appeal to everyone and nor is it possible for any one human to care for literally thousands of people as individuals. So, Politicians always tailored themselves to where they were. presenting an ultimately inauthentic view of themselves to the larger public. Still, they were able to be people and be more sincere when they were working with smaller crowds of likeminded people. This ability to occasionally "drop the mask" so to speak usually leaked into their more generic performances to the masses giving each unique flavor and at the same time instilling a base level of honesty.

The internet ruined this.

Now, any moment of honesty would be broadcasted to everyone and everywhere. They could never be candid, or so they convinced themselves, and so must always wear the mask. Eventually, they became the mask. Wholey insincere, a smiling face with nothing behind it, they just -fucking forgot- how to be people. This has only gotten worse with time as well. Each passing decade seeing them become more and more hollow as they buy into their own idea of inauthenticity.

This came out 3 days ago, and I imagine over the weekend the FBI and SS probably investigated it and found hard evidence.
It did not come out three days ago, it was rumored -back as it happened-. Hell I am pretty sure I offhandedly mentioned it once or twice back then. It was well known Biden wasn't signing everything himself and most people assumed he didn't even know about anything other than the Hunter Biden pardon.

Technically I don't think he has undone any pardons.
He is not undoing or cancelling any pardons. The entire premise is that the pardons never happened in the first place.

That is a very important distinction.
This is exactly the argument. not that a pardon is being undone but that -it was never done in the first place-. The paper we have was never actually signed by the President and therefore holds no legal weight at all. It may as well not even exist. This is a thorny thing to do but... Trump may actually have a smoking gun...


Consider the following:
  1. It was rumored well in advance that Biden was not signing these documents himself
  2. It was similarly rumored Biden was not even aware of these.
  3. Assuming 1 and 2, it is -very likely- mentioned in communication between staffers.
  4. If mentioned, then it becomes an easy task to compare when something was signed to Biden's location. If there is even a slight mismatch:
  5. It can not only be argued but it logically follows, it was signed without his knowledge.
The evidence is circumstantial.... but it is solid enough to go forward on if we assume one last thing.
6: The only way to then disprove this evidence, is for Biden to testify under oath is is not true.​
And that opens up a ton of worms related to whether he is fit to... or even would.
 
Since feds are pretty fucking retarded and the ones that went in to politics are even bigger retards, chances are there's emails between their .gov addresses talking about the autopen and using it behind Biden's back.

Hell, did they pivot to Teams like everyone else? Guarantee there's chat messages, too.
 
But if the pardons were issued without Biden's knowing or approval then they are pretty much a forgery. The President has the power of pardon, not random staffers with an autopen.
All Biden has to do is say "No, Jack, I'm the one who signed those" and it's over. Doesn't matter if it's true or not.
 
For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.
This is a political move. The pardons will hold up but what this does is let Trump's DOJ lay out in detail all the crimes these people committed and then force the Dems to not only defend them but argue these people must be allowed to get away with it while shining a big spotlight on Biden's mental fitness during the last year.
 
All that aside, it really begged the question why Biden saw the need to pardon -anyone- if they were innocent to begin with.
But it doesn't surprise me that he may not have even been aware of said pardons - he's just a senile puppet dangling on strings that served his purpose to the deranged leftists.
 
It did not come out three days ago
It came out in the sense that the former Biden staffer went to the NY Post with their claims on Friday, finally solidifying the on-going rumors.

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Here is the complete interview, done by Bari Weiss of The Free Press on Jan 19th. I can't get preservetube to work.

“Biden Wasn’t Running the Country.” Speaker Mike Johnson on the Biden Cover-Up
 
All Biden has to do is say "No, Jack, I'm the one who signed those" and it's over. Doesn't matter if it's true or not.
I'm absolutely certain they'll get him to say that.

Or have a staffer say that, if Biden is unwilling or unable to.

It won't be under oath, but that will be the end of it to the left. "Biden said nuh uh, scandal over. Drumpf pwned again!"

For the right? And the moderates? I don't think it goes away that easily. Especially if there's any evidence that Biden wasn't involved in the copy/paste of his signature.

There is no way in hell Trump lit the fuse on this without having hard evidence.
 
If they have evidence of Biden staffers using autopen to sign things in his name how far does this go back? I'm assuming the current administration must have the evidence, if so I wonder what policies biden "signed" in will be null and void. Imagine if the aid he promised Ukraine goes null and void because some dumbass theatre kid signed it in.
 
If they have evidence of Biden staffers using autopen to sign things in his name how far does this go back? I'm assuming the current administration must have the evidence, if so I wonder what policies biden "signed" in will be null and void. Imagine if the aid he promised Ukraine goes null and void because some dumbass theatre kid signed it in.
Every Biden EO, including those undoing Trump's
Every bill that was passed during the Biden admin
Every pardon

The only things that would pass muster is stuff he signed on camera. Everything else would be in question, and if Trump has evidence of his staff copy/pasting his signature, merely being in question would be enough to give Trump the political capital to go thermonuclear on it all.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
Yes, the president does. Was the autopen elected the president? I mean if the pen has power to pardon people what's stopping the next admin from writing a computer script and saying that's the president's signature so it's all on the level.

Also worth remembering that the left will and has already abused power given to them. The whole "it's going to happen to you when you're out of power" is retarded. The left does it to you anyways irregardless so it's time to stop being a rino and losing principally losing.
 
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