Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anonitolia]

They work for a big international corporation. OF COURSE they'll say that.

yeah but given their nationality and the fact that Trump was by and large not very relevant in 2014 (earlier stages of SM dev when they were hashing out the roster) I do not think it was intentional regardless

 

[Executive Petrel]

He made it into the final game in 2016, only 10 days after the election, without being canceled last minute.
Maybe another 10 GB of leaks show a non- Trump bayduh design that proves em guilty.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

"Doubles the damage dealt to the target's replacement if the target switches out."

Bernie Sanders swapped out for Hillary Clinton in 2016. - Trump Wins
Joe Biden 2020 - Trump Loses
Joe Biden swapped out for Kamala Harris 2024 - Trump Wins

What the fuck.

I’d not even considered the effect matched too.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Who in the fuck would punish themselves by only using their starter? Half of what you're whining about can be solved with raising an decent flying type

That is the n00b strategy that children used.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

It's really demoralizing to use chikorita when you're a kid, and you don't know to grind.

It’s called learning. There’s a starter in each gen that is pain.

Charmander was that in Gen 1

 

[AnotherPleb]

Honestly you say ‘sane’ I say he just jumped on the hype train of shitting on the series that cropped up for a bit before everyone realised it was silly and moved on and never stopped. And the ‘Colo is good’ fad and never stopped.

Yeah everyone knows the early gens were all over the place.

He's not the biggest fan of Colosseum either.

 

[30+GameOvers]

yeah but given their nationality and the fact that Trump was by and large not very relevant in 2014 (earlier stages of SM dev when they were hashing out the roster) I do not think it was intentional regardless

We've had confirmation that the devs wanted bestiality and rape to be canon, but all of a sudden them including a Trump Pokemon at a time when he was most relevant is completely out of the picture?
It's not like pop culture reference Pokemon are out of the picture either, we've had a Hatsune Miku Pokemon in Gen 5 for example. They will include something popular if they feel like it.

It’s called learning. There’s a starter in each gen that is pain.

Charmander was that in Gen 1

My first ever playthru I didn't use anything but a Charizard(aside from HM moves on shitmons I never leveled up). He steamrolled everything and I mean everything because he was so overleveled, must have been nearly level 80 by the time I finished the game. I used up all the elixirs and ethers I had but it's definitely doable to solo the game using nothing but Charmander. Didn't lose one battle either.
In fact, there is a guy who is dedicated to doing nothing but solo runs of Gen 1(sometimes 2 and others) Pokemon, if you want to see how difficult a run with only your favorite would be

https://yewtu.be/channel/UC5HolAcNQGGVQ6gY8QWuoKg

 

[anliteralidiot]

It’s called learning. There’s a starter in each gen that is pain.

Charmander was that in Gen 1

I beat Brock and Misty plenty of times with Charmander. Brock's Onix hit hard, but it didn't have any super effective moves, and I would use dig to cheese Starmie. You could also leave Cerulean to go to the SS Anne, and grind more!

But you're locked in to Azalea Town and Ilex Forest in GSC.

 

[Disc]

It’s called learning. There’s a starter in each gen that is pain.

Charmander was that in Gen 1

Part of the reason Chikorita and Charmander suck ass in their respective games (at least in the originals), while Bulbasaur and Cyndaquil do not, is because Johto uses an entirely different roster of types for it's gyms.

The ones selected for kanto - Rock, Water, Electric, Grass, Poison, Psychic, Fire, and Ground - only start to get hard for Bulbasaur by Gym 5, at which point you've almost certainly either added coverage or overleveled him. Meanwhile, Charmander's out here getting assfucked by starmie.

Conversely, there's an entirely different set used in Johto - Flying, Bug, Normal, Ghost (and functionally poison), Fighting, Steel, Ice, and Dragon. Chikorita never stood a goddamn chance; nearly every option is either equally bad for everyone or especially bad for chikorita specifically, with the sole exception being Chuck's Poliwrath. And by the time you've suffered through the poison and dragon members of the pokemon league and gotten to kanto, your chikorita's probably been joined by at least a good water type and the ground gym is gone - so you're still getting barely any time to shine.

 

[Anonitolia]

we've had a Hatsune Miku Pokemon in Gen 5 for example

I'm not sure i've ever heard a more insanely stupid assertion in my life. Singing does not always equal fucking Hatsune Miku, and Meloetta has absolutely zero similarities.



Stop thinking about weeb shit and get help.

EDIT: your entire post is beyond braindead

the devs wanted bestiality and rape to be canon

They were inserting Pokémon into existing Japanese folk tales as a test for the Canalave library tales. This was never meant to be canon and was never meant to see the public eye.

all of a sudden them including a Trump Pokemon at a time when he was most relevant is completely out of the picture?

Yes, because Trump was a hundred times less relevant when Sun and Moon was being made than he was when Sun and Moon were coming out. Yungoos and Gumshoos have been repeatedly stated in both interviews and official documents to be based on an up-and-coming gumshoe detective hunting a criminal (hence A.Rattata's line resembling mafia bosses with the big cheeks and the black suit and Yungoos' line having the toupee-like hair (it was supposed to resemble a detective hat)), and this was always the intention according to internal documentation regarding the designs. It was unintentional, but a funny coincidence, that they ended up strongly resembling Trump.

My first ever playthru I didn't use anything but a Charizard(aside from HM moves on shitmons I never leveled up). He steamrolled everything and I mean everything because he was so overleveled, must have been nearly level 80 by the time I finished the game. I used up all the elixirs and ethers I had but it's definitely doable to solo the game using nothing but Charmander. Didn't lose one battle either.
In fact, there is a guy who is dedicated to doing nothing but solo runs of Gen 1(sometimes 2 and others) Pokemon, if you want to see how difficult a run with only your favorite would be

lol, trying to talk about how hard doing a solo run is by explaining how you solo'd the game with a fire/flying type.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I'm not sure i've ever heard a more insanely stupid assertion in my life. Singing does not always equal fucking Hatsune Miku, and Meloetta has absolutely zero similarities.

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Stop thinking about weeb shit and get help.

Green hair, a headpiece and the exact same color of eyes as Hatsune's hair. Yes, no similarities at all. It's not like she was popular in Japan at the time or anything.
The other form is obviously based more off spanish dancers, or dancers in general.
Edit: Lookie lookie at it's shiny form

Funny how that wasn't posted

 

[Anonitolia]

exact same color of eyes as Hatsune's hair

HOLY SHIT GUYS LOOK IT'S HATSUNE MIKU

 

[30+GameOvers]

lol, trying to talk about how hard doing a solo run is by explaining how you solo'd the game with a fire/flying type.

I said I did this on my very first playthru, as a clueless 6yr old or whatever. It's supposed to imply that it is the exact opposite of difficult, I even linked a channel that regularly solos the game with even the worst shitmon to prove a point. You're really mad for someone with reading comprehension this poor. This is you sperging out over the gems all over again.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

I'd buy Gumshoose being based on Trump if they had literally anything in common other than a toupee. You have to remember, before 2016, the biggest pop culture influence he had was as a business mogul and hosting The Apprentice—if they wanted to make a Trump pokemon, why the hell would it be detective themed and not some kind of "big boss" businessman?

 

[Anonitolia]

okay I got a snickers and calmed down a bit

Lookie lookie at it's shiny form

this does not justify the design being made to resemble Hatsune Miku as the shiny forms are chosen by completely different people
there is a chance that the shiny designer made it as a reference given the popularity at the time, HOWEVER:



Pirouette form has a completely different shiny (made by the same person) and bears absolutely no resemblance, so at best one half of a mythical Pokémon's illegal alternate form (Meloetta's shiny could not be obtained without hacks until less than 2 years ago) vaguely resembles a pop culture figure.

This is not anywhere near the strong resemblance Gumshoos has to Trump, which was also a coincidence and not intentional, so I am not tempted to give them any credit for this.

Also, you're still retarded. Retarded enough to make me mad. You have no right to comment on reading comprehension when page 1107 of this thread starts with you asking a question that is answered in the very post you quoted.

I'm not going to fight it anymore though, that's just stupid. I am not on this site to be mad at stupid people, I am here to laugh at them.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I'd buy Gumshoose being based on Trump if they had literally anything in common other than a toupee. You have to remember, before 2016, the biggest pop culture influence he had was as a business mogul and hosting The Apprentice—if they wanted to make a Trump pokemon, why the hell would it be detective themed and not some kind of "big boss" businessman?

It has more to do with Gumshoos chasing out the "illegal" migrant Pokemon(A-Rattatta) more than anything else
Getting Mexicans out and making Mexico pay for the wall was the big talking point at the time. Let's not forget that there is literally a city surrounded by a wall in the game too(altho I always thought it was more of an upper middle class housing complex more than a city).

 

[Anonitolia]

I'd buy Gumshoose being based on Trump if they had literally anything in common other than a toupee.

This has already been discussed:

• role in-game is to chase out invasive species (hard stance on illegal immigration)
• "immigrated" to Alola (Trump's family came from Germany)
• signature ability is Stakeout: an ability that deals double-damage to any Pokémon that switches in to replace another (Trump won one term, lost the next election, and then won his second term with a trifecta)
• it has notches in its ears where Trump was shot

As you can see, half of this only became relevant in 2024. The other portion is coincidence based on developer intention. Gumshoos is partly based on a gumshoe detective (hence the constant emphasis on hunting down "criminals") and partly based on anti-invasive invasive species: stuff like bufo toads in Australia, where they were brought in to solve a problem and promptly became problems themselves. That's why Gumshoos "immigrated," that's why Gumshoos is hunting rats with mustaches, that's why Gumshoos has the weird hair that looks like a toupee... but also looks like a little like a stereotypical detective hat.



It is mostly coincidence. But it's funny.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

I still dont understand "Charmander is so weak against Brock" i keep hearing. i just use ember on Geoduode and Onix to death (best feeling is when they get burned). hell, im pretty sure Charmander learns metal clew in Fire Red that makes the fight even more of a joke. Sure, Misty is the real wall but at that point the game gives you plenty of options to beat her.

I remember beating the game as a child just using Charmander and pidgey but at some point, boxed charizard and solo the rest of the game with a Pidgeot.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I still dont understand "Charmander is so weak against Brock" i keep hearing. i just ember Geoduode and Onix to death (best feeling is when they get burned). hell, im pretty sure Charmander learns metal clew in fire red that makes the fight even more of a joke. Sure, Misty is the real wall but at that point the game gives you plenty of options to beat her.

I remember beating the game as a child just using Charmander and pidgey but at some point, boxed charizard and solo the rest of the game with a Pidgeot.

Brock is built in such a way to teach younger players that not all their problems are solved by mashing A to use tackle or scratch (at least not efficiently). The only way Brock is really going to give you a hard time is if you have nothing but physical moves that aren't super effective.

Or you're using a Pikachu in Yellow, the game that was meant to showcase him...

 

[Disc]

Also, you're still retarded. Retarded enough to make me mad. You have no right to comment on reading comprehension when page 1107 of this thread starts with you asking a question that is answered in the very post you quoted.

I'm not going to fight it anymore though, that's just stupid. I am not on this site to be mad at stupid people, I am here to laugh at them.

It goes a lot easier if you propose a good alternate theory.

I always thought the dominant inspiration was specifically classical music and classical female performers - after all, they're called Aria and Pirouette formes, and the move to switch between them is called Relic Song/Ancient Song. The aria forme's long hair that drapes down always evoked a classic theatrical beauty vibe to me. From there, Meloetta may have had just a tinge of Miku in it's original colour choices, but they're easily explained as just green being passive and red active.

And with a bit more digging, I can actually believe it's also got inspirations even more ancient; it's most likely at it's core based on a muse, being able to serve as a source of creative inspiration much like mythological muses. Miku may have had some relation, but I honestly think that's more likely to be a coincidence than anything.

And in fact, I'll put one more nail in this coffin. Project Voltage, the Miku + Pokemon Collab that included making a design of miku based on every type along with giving each one a signature pokemon, usually one associated with music in some way (like Kricketune for bug, Primarina for Water, Skeledirge for fire, Jigglypuff for Fairy etc. etc. To be fair it did have the first of these type variants be Psychic Miku with Aria Meloetta, and it's probably the closest to a 'real' miku design out of the group - as in, something the original Miku could actually look like. So they do acknowledge that Aria Meloetta is probably the closest actual comparison that Miku could have in the Pokemon World.



But the Pokemon that's actually on the title, with the original Miku Design? the one that's on the cover with Pikachu and Miku?



It's farfetch'd, because leekspin. And when they get to fighting type miku, the pirouette form of meloetta - and indeed, any possible musical fighting-type like kommo-o - loses out to Sirfetch'd. So they acknowledge a possible connection, but they don't give it significantly more prominence than any of the other pokemon set up to match the types.

Don't get me wrong, they treat it as a good fit... and not anything more than that.