UK Hamster forum and local residents’ websites shut down by new internet laws - Scope and scale of Online Safety Act likened to China’s ‘great firewall’ as small websites struggle to comply

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Dozens of small internet forums have blocked British users or shut down as new online safety laws come into effect, with one comparing the new regime to a British version of China’s “great firewall”.

Several smaller community-led sites have stopped operating or restricted services, blaming new illegal harms duties enforced by Ofcom from Monday.

They range from a hamster owners’ forum, a local group for residents of the Oxfordshire town of Charlbury, and a large cycling forum.

The hosts of the lemmy.zip forum, hosted in Finland, blocked users from the UK accessing the site, saying the measures “pave the way for a UK-controlled version of the ‘great firewall’”.

The great firewall refers to the strict controls imposed by Chinese internet authorities, which restrict Western sites such as Google, Facebook and Wikipedia in the country and is seen as a model of online censorship.

Britain’s Online Safety Act, a sprawling set of new internet laws, include measures to prevent children from seeing abusive content, age verification for adult websites, criminalising cyber-flashing and deepfakes, and cracking down on harmful misinformation.

Under the illegal harms duties that came into force on Monday, sites must complete risk assessments detailing how they deal with illegal material and implement safety measures to deal with the risk.

The Act allows Ofcom to fine websites £18m or 10pc of their turnover.

The regulator has pledged to prioritise larger sites, which are more at risk of spreading harmful content to a large number of users.

“We’re not setting out to penalise small, low-risk services trying to comply in good faith, and will only take action where it is proportionate and appropriate,” a spokesman said.

“We’re initially prioritising the compliance of sites and apps that may present particular risks of harm from illegal content due to their size or nature – for example because they have a large number of users in the UK, or because their users may risk encountering some of the most harmful forms of online content and conduct.”

‘The home of all things hamstery’
However, many smaller internet forums have said they are not willing to deal with the compliance, or shoulder the theoretical financial burden of the new laws.

“While this forum has always been perfectly safe, we were unable to meet [the compliance requirements of the Act],” wrote the operators of The Hamster Forum, which describes itself as “the home of all things hamstery”.

Richard Fairhurst, the administrator of the “Charlbury in the Cotswolds” forum, wrote that the Act was “a huge issue for small sites, both in terms of the hoops that site admins have to jump through, and potential liability”.

“Running a small forum is much harder than it was when I started doing this almost 25 years ago,” he wrote on the site. The site has remained open but closed a debate board where people discussed off-topic issues.

Mr Fairhurst, who has run the forum since 2001, told The Telegraph: “By putting all these burdens on the small sites its going to push people away from these small locally run British-owned sites and towards the American giants.”

Bike Radar, the forum of the cycling magazine, shut down on Monday blaming “continually rising operational costs” without mentioning the Act specifically. The site has millions of posts.

The Green Living Forum, which was set up in the early 2000s and had more than 470,000 posts, has also closed down, with the site’s administrator saying they were not willing to be liable for fines.

The host of lemmy.zip, a forum for sharing links, said he would block UK-based internet addresses from accessing the site.

“These measures pave the way for a UK-controlled version of the ‘great firewall,’ granting the government the ability to block or fine websites at will under broad, undefined, and constantly shifting terms of what is considered ‘harmful’ content, a message on the site said.

The UK-based administrator of the site, who did not want to be named, said: “If I was living in any other country I’d be ignoring this, but because of this personal risk I can’t. I can’t deal with the possibility of an £18m fine for something I can’t guarantee I can comply with.”

Ofcom defends regulation

Ofcom has said that for small sites, the costs of complying “are likely to be negligible or in the small thousands at most”.

Digital rights campaigners the Open Rights Group (ORG) said Ofcom should exempt smaller sites from enforcement. “The Online Safety Act places onerous duties on small websites and blogs that may lead them to close or geoblock UK users rather than risk penalties,” the ORG’s James Baker said.

“The closure of small sites will not keep children safe but will benefit bigger sites, including Facebook and X, who are laying waste to content moderation on their platforms.

“There is a simple solution – the Secretary of State can exempt small, safe websites from onerous Online Safety duties, and protect plurality online.”

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I have seen the exact thing happen in Russia about a decade ago. It started out the exact same. The slippery slope is real.

Britbong frens, hope you know how to use a VPN. You'll need it.
Authoritarism and censorship is bad but Woke Authoritarism disguised as democracy is worse.

The best is an homogenous community with high degree of freedom and proper regulation and constitution to make it illegal to restrict important freedoms, either by goverment, or corporation cartel.
 
Another solution is either to make porn or prostitution illegal. But it can cause the prostitutes, porn actresses to work illegaly (I heard it happens in China) and have worse "working"(fucking) conditions.
Or I don't know just make porn sites have id verification if you're going to do something that's meant for adults and that you cannot buy in the stores without an id guess what if you're selling that through a digital distribution network you should not be allowed to buy it if you were a child.
 
Or I don't know just make porn sites have id verification if you're going to do something that's meant for adults and that you cannot buy in the stores without an id guess what if you're selling that through a digital distribution network you should not be allowed to buy it if you were a child.
ID verification only works if you go physically in the stores, similar to how Japan does with its Manga/Porn section for adults. You need there ID. And they dont keep a history of people buying porn.

With websites the ID system has issues. The system is defeated by either children uploading their parent ID, or uploading an edited photo of their parent holding it, sharing a porn account made by someone else, generating a fake ID photo using some templates and printing it for photo, VPNs.

Imagine HOW EXPENSIVE it would be to restrict customers to one single IP address (dynamic IP, VPNs, Mobile data), using real people to manually check (impossible for huge sites), using AI (false positives and false negatives) trained on all possible passports available on Earth.

And we didnt talk about the consequences of the goverment knowing what you do on website. Goverments arent honest about respecting privacy. There is over 90% chance it will be abused. Also it will make users go to pirate sites.

Also such verification ID laws will affect Kiwifarms since it is an adult website. It will make small websites that host general content or non pornographic adult content harder or impossbile for them to host.

Privacy respecting option with verification systems:
  • test mental/academic aptitude of someone in University/12th grade (which is bad for business because they lose drop outs and people can fail those tests even if they studied.) It also will let children that are nerds/geniuses. But at least those are few. They have to offer curriculum like physics, programming, maths, literature, history, philosophy, grammar. Making those digitally as forms is pretty expensive
  • The goverment to generate adult access keys that can be obtained in an agency. People only show there to prove they are an adult with ID if needed and nothing gets associated. The code is marked as valid and given to the person. The website checks the ID validity by using a Goverment API that tells that ID is owned and valid. Less than other examples to implement a communication between goverment api and website. You need the goverment to prove the keys are trully random, probably by using an RNG, or a lottery like device. Also they need to prove that they dont keep the location where the key got activated. Probably will not be transparent.
  • Some device that tells biologically the age of the person. It can be an issue of accuracy (Being 18-19 and the device to report 16 yo). The goverment needs to show the schematics of the device and firmware, logic to make sure it doesnt generate a code that can keep metadata. Also expenssive to implement for browsers and web sites. It will be defeated.
All those systems still dont guarantee that once the account is created it will be used by underage for accessing porn. It proves to be a clumsy solution.

This will affect honest websites that general content. I think my solution said earlier are better and dont cause complexity, headache and censorship. Accept that porn will remain freely on internet, even in China and the solution is to tell the children why it is bad, similar to drugs and alchohol.
 
Very simple if you sell pointography you have to verify someones ID guess what I can't order cigars without showing them my ID I can't go on a stock trading website without showing them my ID I can't buy liquor on the Internet without showing them my ID or just don't allow porn to be sold over the Internet really that simple
 
There should never be an office of "Shadow culture secretary" except in dystopian fiction.

What the FUCK is a "small thousand"?
shadow is a fancy word for 2nd place, they're powerless opposite numbers of the government.

the brits are so sophiscated, they cant open a virtual office and llc in vermont or delaware?
 
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the solution is to tell the children why it is bad, similar to drugs and alchohol
And keep their devices locked down as much as possible (assuming you even give them one of their own). They'll likely figure a way around it eventually, if they're smart enough, but in the meantime they'll be kept away from all that shady shit until they're maybe old enough to understand why it's bad for them.
 
Very simple if you sell pointography you have to verify someones ID guess what I can't order cigars without showing them my ID I can't go on a stock trading website without showing them my ID I can't buy liquor on the Internet without showing them my ID or just don't allow porn to be sold over the Internet really that simple
Requiring ID for selling Pointography is a sign Canada is cucked.

Ciggaretes and alchohol should IMO only bought in stores. Ordering them online is lazy and retarded. Also it can be defeated by children by providing ID of the parents. Whats the point if it can be defeated?

Anything to do with banks and stock trading requires ID for preventing money laundering and taxation. It used to not be required till 911/GWOT. There is crypto if you want to avoid the hassle but you dont have tools for investing then.

What is different is that Porn/SFW Adult content is information, not money or phisical product. Very few sites deal with banking or selling ciggarettes online. Adult content on the other hand will target the majority of websites. Imagine the need to show ID to Google or any cloud service because people will use it to share adult content.

Maaybe you are content with Canada, but it sounds less free than US or other countries.
 
Very simple if you sell pointography you have to verify someones ID guess what I can't order cigars without showing them my ID I can't go on a stock trading website without showing them my ID I can't buy liquor on the Internet without showing them my ID or just don't allow porn to be sold over the Internet really that simple
If you need an ID just to access their website (not order or buy) anything then yes, that's fucked.

We are talking about situations where they want youf ID just access a website.
 
A big reason they are doing this is they do want to close down smaller sites. As was already mentioned Mumsnet is a fine example, there's lots of wrongthink going on there and Labour MPs have expressed the desire to get rid of it in the past. By removing somewhere for people to congregate and discuss the problems of the world the belief is that this stops them organising and uniting.
 
“We’re not setting out to penalise small, low-risk services trying to comply in good faith, and will only take action where it is proportionate and appropriate,” a spokesman said.
“Trust us” says the british / eurocuck government official.

Hell. Fucking. NO.

Not once, not ever.

I swear to god that entire region of the world is speedrunning destroying itself in each and every way they can imagine.
 
A big reason they are doing this is they do want to close down smaller sites. As was already mentioned Mumsnet is a fine example, there's lots of wrongthink going on there and Labour MPs have expressed the desire to get rid of it in the past. By removing somewhere for people to congregate and discuss the problems of the world the belief is that this stops them organising and uniting.
Can't talk on the internet, can't talk at the pub, can't talk at work, can't talk any where at this point.

I don't even think they realise quite what their indirectly doing. So many people are picking up on the fact that their simply not allowed to "go against the grain" on anything and say something that's uncomfortable for certain metropolitans to hear. The country is in an incredibly bad state at this point and there's almost no one who hasn't noticed it, even the most liberal of people can't avoid these issues at this point unless they have the money to live far enough away from it or they have their own security and the fact that their simply not allowed to talk about any of it in fear of offending Mohamed or Lilith is going to create a bottle of resentment which will eventually spill over.
 
Can't talk on the internet, can't talk at the pub, can't talk at work, can't talk any where at this point.
I'd also put money that a lot of social groups, especially any that receives any assistance or acknowledgement from local councils, are similarly monitoring for wrong think. Any men's support groups founded in the last 20 years for example.
 
I'd also put money that a lot of social groups, especially any that receives any assistance or acknowledgement from local councils, are similarly monitoring for wrong think. Any men's support groups founded in the last 20 years for example.
Well I do know for sure they monitor for it in care homes now. Turns out when you have some 70+ year old boomers with dementia and you start brining over darkies from the turd world who either spend most of their time stealing or speaking pigeon English, they tend to be a little bit racist.
 
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Don't worry, it's all for the greater purpose of protecting children.
You care about children, don't you?
Considering Starmer's voting bloc consists of childless shrieking women, probably not.

But his voting bloc also contains Muslims, and you bet they're gonna use the "for the children" excuse...

This is exactly what I think of whenever I hear calls from rightists demanding any kind of age verification to use the Internet to protect kids from porn, or any other kind of moralistic censorship scheme. It is only a thinly veiled excuse for a great firewall and total information control.
Several southern states already have it, so we're already there. Considering we also have a porn addiction problem in the West, the lolbertarian approach to just allow society to "handle it" hasn't worked, so what is the next practical way to go about this that doesn't require a 20 year old re-subversion back to sanity?
 
I sincerely hope Kier Starmer's filthy kike wife is raped and disembowelled in front of him whilst he's forced to watch before he's thrown off a building. Feel free to replace Kier Starmer with any other British politician. Unironically kill them all. Slowly. Painfully. It's better than they deserve.
 
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