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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs
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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
The fucking searches. When I was buying my current place, I originally was going for a house that the other end of the road. Searches performed, everything was fine, aside from all the fees I had to pay for the privilege. Then the owner started dithering and delaying - old fella didn't want to leave the home he'd spent the last 40 years in, I suppose - so I went looking. This place, literally ten doors down, popped up on the market, so I switched. Cue all the same searches, for the same damn street, at the same cost, even though I had literally all the information right in my hand. It's a racket.
Whoa there buddy, you might be within 250m of an abandoned mineshaft.
 
It's not Caucasian, sure. But it's not modern Ashkenazi jew either who have quite dubious links to Jews of Jesus's time. My main point.

Anyway, what matters most is his message, of course.
This “not real Jews” thing is fucking retarded. They’d have ended up on the same cattle wagons to the death camps as other types of Jews and the same autists on here think they also control the weather.

I’m sure there’s plenty of Jew sperging threads you can do it in.

This is a Greggs. Order a sausage roll or a pasty or fuck off.

Enjoy your fudge doughnut.
 
I can't comment on Tate as I've never seen any of his videos myself and it would be wrong to judge not having an idea of what he espouses. However it seems as though he fills a void in the lives of his acolytes,perhaps one created by the absence of a strong, authoritarian male role model.
 
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AI won’t do this job. Avoiding power levelling but it’s something that I’m involved with implementing and a few friends are in other sectors.

It’s only a threat to listicle writing journalists and lazy graphic designers who fancy themselves as artists.
Have to disagree. If you're doing implementations with currently available AI tools at best you're about ~2 years behind where I am on working the cutting edge of AI tech. The very latest of the research in my area could easily replace large numbers of office jobs already. It's just a matter of time for it to trickle down into products usable by companies/govts.

Now, the UK govt actually being able to assess, design and implement these tools in a timely manner? I doubt that'll happen any time before 2040 tbh.
 
Whilst conversely I've never watched any Andrew Tate videos.
Everyone keep calm and move slowly towards the exits.

Now, the UK govt actually being able to assess, design and implement these tools in a timely manner? I doubt that'll happen any time before 2040 tbh.

What will happen is this: A committee will be created to discuss the matter and generate an effective development plan, which will take around two years. At the request of this committee, an an inter-departmental review will be carried out, which will take into account all of the various interlocking factors, and keeping in mind the needs and views of all stakeholders and participants; at the conclusion of this three year review, a decision shall be made to trial the technology in a new, temporary organisation that will probably be called something along the lines of the Office for Assessing Technological Sustainability, access to which shall initially be limited to a smaller department and only by request. This office will of course need to be fully staffed, and likewise the chosen trialing department will have to appoint a liaising officer and appropriate support staff to fully interface with the new Office during the trial period. The Office will then initiate an assessment of the available technologies, with a view to establishing a preferred supplier within a period of no more than five years and no less than two, in order to ensure a full and frank appraisal of the means available to perform their duties. Once such an assessment has been carried out, the preferred supplier will be requested to submit a costing estimate for supply of a system that shall perform whatever duties shall be required of it.

The end result of all of this will be a new, permanent bureaucracy surrounding access to AI, mediated through OATS, which will amount to a dozen or so managers at OATS and one intern who feeds requests into the most expensive ChatGPT tier, then sends the answers back to the requesting parties in a manila folio. Every department that needs access to OATS will in turn require a liaising officer and an appropriate support staff. In the interim, thousands of inter-departmental memos will have been sent, filed, requested, re-posted, copied, and collated into reports, which will be circulated as needed to various committees and sub-committees, all carrying out this necessary, indeed absolutely vital work in service of the nation and the establishment of every greater efficiency of employment within the civil service.

Savings will be negligible or non-existent, but all of the newly employed officers will be able to work so much more efficiently than they could have before.
 
How dare you not post the full article.
It was summer 2014. Driving back to London with my baby daughter after a day out in Waltham Abbey, I was waiting for a traffic light to turn green. Pulled up beside me on my right-hand side was a long-haired, long-bearded man on a classic motorcycle. He looked around my car, and shook his head in seeming disapproval. Suddenly – with absolutely no provocation – he roared out “FUCKING NIGGERS”. Then he jumped the red light and sped off.

Every decent person could see that as a credible hate crime. But there are exchanges less clear cut, with motivations more arguable. How should society – and the law – deal with those?


Earlier this month, without scrutiny or fanfare, the Crown Prosecution Service abandoned a lengthy attempt to prosecute a recent university graduate for her use, in a jovial conversation on social media, of the word “nigga”. The case turned on an exchange on X (formerly Twitter) on 27 August 2023, after Newcastle United had been beaten 2-1 by Liverpool. Jamila A, a 21-year-old Black British woman, in conversation on X with an African American friend and referring to the Newcastle striker Alexander Isak, quipped: “@******** i’m so pissed off let me get my hands on that fuckin isak nigga.” The tweet was picked up by a data monitoring organisation hired by the Football Association, and months after the tweet was posted, the police were at her door.

She was taken into custody for questioning, subsequently arrested and charged with being in violation of the Malicious Communications Act 1988. After media interest, the CPS “downgraded” the charge to a violation of the Communications Act 2003: to be heard in a magistrates’ trial, where a conviction was more likely.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...if-she-were-a-man-or-white-or-straight-ntwnfb
When contacted about the case by the Independent newspaper July of last year, the CPS responded: “Hate crime has a profound impact on victims and communities. Being from an ethnic minority background does not provide a defence to racially abusing someone. Our commitment to tackling these abhorrent crimes through fair and impartial prosecution is unwavering.”

But on 5 March, after a year of causing Jamila A needless anxiety, the charges were dropped. There was brief mention of the outcome on social media and among interested journalists. The world moved on.

Still, there is an issue here, for Jamila was just the latest in an ever-growing line of Black and brown people to be targeted by a state that absurdly fails or refuses to understand the difference between stark and hurtful racism and the use of terms that have become common intra-communal parlance.

Racism is a terrible blight. All robust effort should be made by citizens to protect their fellow humans from it. But context is important. As I see it, the authorities made the conscious decision to ignore the glaringly crucial context that these were just two young Black people conversing like two young Black people about another young Black person. They were not hosting a Klan rally, and there was nothing obscene or out of the ordinary in their conversation. It’s clear to me that the player was not subject to any incitement to hate at the hands of Jamila A. As her lawyers said in a statement, “No evidence of any party finding the tweet offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing had been provided”.

For the benefit of the police and the CPS: the substantial difference between the biker screaming racism at my daughter and me, and Jamila referring to Isak as she did is not a matter of spelling or semantics but intent, history, culture and community. The biker subjected us to the words – and mannerisms – of white supremacy and dehumanisation. But that experience and the experience of a Black friend or even a Black stranger referring to me as or calling me the N-word are galaxies apart.

There have been other misapplications of outrage and concern. Last year’s so-called emoji trial ended in the crown court acquittal of a Black man charged after sending a raccoon emoji to a Black Conservative politician on social media. The word “coon” has long been a viciously racist slur directed by white racists towards Black people. But there is also, among Black Britons and African Americans, the term “cooning” – a form of critique directed at Black people alleged to be collaborating with or pandering to racism in order to curry favour. Last September, Marieha Hussain, a teacher of south Asian origin, was acquitted of a racially aggravated public order offence after she carried a placard depicting Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman as “coconuts”: one of many forms of satirical critique used about visible minorities (and formerly colonised people) alleged to over-identify with the tastes, cultural practices and behaviours of their historical colonial overloards. District Judge Vanessa Lloyd ruled that the placard carried by Hussain was “part of the genre of political satire”. So, a heavily pregnant woman faced trial for obvious satire.

All the instances involved the weaponisation of terms that are sometimes controversial, sometimes satirical, sometimes unpleasant and sometimes loving, but widely recognised and accepted as intra-communal language – and, therefore, have an entirely different communal resonance. They show the very hate crime laws that were designed to protect minorities are now being used to persecute them. For some, that may be the intention. But it erodes the credibility of the state to protect and police a multicultural society such as our own. The words and images in question may not have been kind, but neither were they reason for intervention by police officers and courts.

Just as the word “queer” has been reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community from the speech of homophobes, there has been a wider reclamation of oppressive, denigrative and dehumanising language. It comes from a place of community, kinship, shared characteristics and a history of oppression.

And it is interesting, is it not, that there is no sign of such intrusive policing when the N-word as deployed by rappers is being used to generate billions in profits for large, predominately white-owned companies?

There should be a conversation about this. Certainly, there should be a prosecutorial rethink. The law is based on statutes and interpretation, but surely its root is in common sense. There is enough real hate crime around. Why conjure it up where it doesn’t exist?
 
If you're doing implementations with currently available AI tools at best you're about ~2 years behind where I am on working the cutting edge of AI tech. The very latest of the research in my area could easily replace large numbers of office jobs already. It's just a matter of time for it to trickle down into products usable by companies/govts.
I’m tangentially involved with a project or two that is (allegedly) at the cutting edge of implementation in our industry.
It’s great for some stuff. Diagnostics in particular it’s hilariously good at to the point people get angry. But funnily they’re not using it for diagnostics and finance like they should be (finance seem remarkably insulated) they’re using it to build retarded systems that aim to just get rid of whole layers of staff. The problem is that not a single implementation done like this has ever actually worked yet the staff get laid off and we get to do what the system and the staff should have done, on top of everything else.
I really hate how it’s used. Hopefully your industry is less evil and retarded than mine is (unless your work has you throwing car batteries into the ocean this is probably the case.)
 
The nice thing about working in a role that is equal parts sitting at a desk having big thinks and getting covered in hydraulic oil while braying stuff with a hammer, I'm really not concerned about an AI eating my chips until Skynet T-800s start cutting about the place.

Sucks to be an Excel colouring-in guru, but so it goes.
 
I can't comment on Tate as I've never seen any of his videos myself and it would be wrong to judge not having an idea of what he espouses. However it seems as though he fills a void in the lives of his acolytes,perhaps one created by the absence of a strong, authoritarian male role model.
The screeching weirdos are right about Tate as he is a scumbag of the highest order. Sadly their screeching made him famous.
 
(Also I'm aware this is shitty daily mail)
Problem is the Flail and Torygraph tend to be the only ones actually publishing the articles. Because the Guardian and Independent hate to have it pointed out that, "they raped someone so they can't be deported" is straight from the mouths of anti-immigrant racists and also reality.
 
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