Culture Over 4 million Gen Zers are jobless—and experts blame colleges for ‘worthless degrees’ and a system of broken promises for the rising number NEETs

  • Over 4 million Gen Zers are not in school or work in the U.S. and in the U.K. 100,000 young people joined the NEETs cohort. But it’s not generational laziness that’s to blame. Experts are taking swipes at “worthless degrees” and a system that “is failing to deliver on its implicit promise.”
There’s been a mass derailment when it comes to Gen Z and their careers: about a quarter of young people are now deemed NEETs—meaning they are no longer in education, employment, or training.

While some Gen Zers may fall into this category because they are taking care of a family member, many have become frozen out of the increasingly tough job market where white-collar jobs are becoming seemingly out of reach.

In the U.S., this translates to an estimated over 4.3 million young people not in school or work. Across the pond in the U.K., the situation is also only getting worse, with the number of NEET young people rising by over 100,000 in the last year alone.

A British podcaster went so far as to call the situation a “catastrophe”—and cast a broad-stroke blame on the education system.

“In many cases, young people have been sent off to universities for worthless degrees which have produced nothing for them at all,” the political commentator, journalist and author, Peter Hitchens slammed colleges last week. “And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”

With millions of Gen Zers waking up each day feeling left behind, there needs to be a “wake-up call” that includes educational and workplace partners stepping up, Jeff Bulanda, vice president at Jobs for the Future, tells Fortune.

Higher education’s role in the rising number of NEET Gen Zers​

There’s no question that certain fields of study provide a more direct line to a long-lasting career—take, for example, the healthcare industry. In the U.S. alone, over a million net new jobs are expected to be created in the next decade among home health aids, registered nurses, and nurse practitioners.

On the other hand, millions of students graduate each year with degrees with a less clear career path, leaving young adults underemployed and struggling to make ends meet. And while the long-term future may be bright—with an average return on investment for a college degree being 681% over 40 years, plus promises of Great Wealth Transfer—it may be coming too late for students left with ballooning student loans in an uncertain job market.

Too much time has been focused on promoting a four-year degree as the only reliable route, despite the payoff being more uneven and uncertain, says Bulanda. Other pathways, like skilled trade professionals, should be a larger share of the conversation.

“It's critical that young people are empowered to be informed consumers about their education, equipped with the information they need to weigh the cost, quality, and long-term value of every path available to them,” Bulanda says.

Lewis Maleh, CEO of Bentley Lewis, a staffing and recruitment agency, echoes that colleges should do better at communicating with students about career placement as well as non-academic barriers to entering the workforce, like mental health support and resilience development.

“Universities aren't deliberately setting students up to fail, but the system is failing to deliver on its implicit promise,” Maleh tells Fortune.

“The current data challenges the traditional assumption that higher education automatically leads to economic security.”

What’s caused a NEET crisis—and what can be done?​

Rising prices on everything from rent and gasoline to groceries and textbooks have put a damper on Gen Z, with some even having to turn down their dream job offers because they cannot afford the commute or work clothes.

Plus, with others struggling to land a job in a market changing by the minute thanks to artificial intelligence, it’s no wonder Gen Z finds doomscrolling at home more enjoyable than navigating an economy completely different than what their teachers promised them.

The United Nations agency warns there are still “too many young people” with skills gaps, and getting millions of young people motivated to get back into the classroom or workforce won’t be easy.

Efforts should include ramping up accessible entry points like apprenticeships and internships, especially for disengaged young people, as well as building better bridges between industries and education systems, Maleh says.

Above all, better and more personalized career guidance is key, Bulanda adds.

“When you don’t know what options exist, no one is helping you connect the dots, and the next step feels risky or out of reach—it’s no surprise that so many young people pause,” he says. “The question isn’t why they disconnect; it’s why we haven’t done a better job of recognizing that the old ways aren’t working anymore, and young people need more options and better support to meet them where they are.”
 
They all brag they want the OT but when offered they've got shit to do, even if it means they can work solo without the boss, they are like "Ummmm....I got this thing on..."
Ill do you one better: Got a subctr who's guys want to work OT, but haven't put in a solid 40 hour week on the project yet (even though they tell their company they are). Our response has been a resounding "If you're behind, maybe you should start working a real 40 before asking us to show up extra days we don't get paid for." They want the money without getting the work done.
 
I know of a guy who had a good paying job with a defense contractor, was a member of the Air Force Reserve, married, had at least one child.

He got sold on being an entrepreneur by some online personality like Dan Lok. He quit both of his jobs and paid thousands of dollars to attend some online school by one of these assholes, thinking he's going to be independently wealthy. Got into crypto trading too. His wife divorced him soon after. He became nearly penniless, never made it big. Refuses to get a real job and can't even afford child support.

When I read this article I'm reminded of this jackass and think of all the desperate young people who would kill to have a good paying job like that. He just threw it away like a fucking idiot.
 
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Blame their mentality of wanting the 'perfect' job to come to them instead of working to get said perfect job. I know a couple of people that refuse to start flipping burgers to gain experience and climb the ladder like everyone else, then go full 'crabs in a bucket' on seeing else doing the work.

Apprenticeships and trade schools also exist, especially most of them putting you on a beginner job right after training. But of course, Gen Z does not want to put effort on that.
 
Maybe if they didn't do things like quit because their feelings get hurt they'd have better luck. I know a zoomer who quit a $35/h union job that came with full medical, dental and life insurance and a good pension just because his coworkers made fun of him too much.
Based, dealing with Union workers isn’t worth any amount of money.
 
Maybe if they didn't do things like quit because their feelings get hurt they'd have better luck. I know a zoomer who quit a $35/h union job that came with full medical, dental and life insurance and a good pension just because his coworkers made fun of him too much.
Sounds like he decided the pay wasn't worth the hostile working environment.

You can stay its his loss, but in a union job if you're the designated whipping boy like that you are fucked long-term.
 
“In many cases, young people have been sent off to universities for worthless degrees which have produced nothing for them at all,” the political commentator, journalist and author, Peter Hitchens slammed colleges last week. “And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”
I've had conversations with the exact sort of people he's talking about. They always go a little something like this:

Them: "I've just graduated, I've got a roommate, and I can barely pay my portion of the rent flipping burgers! This sucks! I can't wait until I get that dream office job, but it feels like it's just out of reach. I put my resume in at a hundred different places and have yet to be called for an interview!"

Me: "Why don't you just join the trades? It's good money."

Them: "I WOULD RATHER GIVE ANALINGUS TO A BEAR WITH TAPEWORMS!"

These whiny bitches with degrees think blue-collar jobs (and people) are too unsavory to ever consider going that route. They went to college, after all. They were promised that they would never have to mingle with the riffraff or take a job working around soot and diesel and men with Confederate Flag and Peeing Calvin stickers in the back windows of their lifted pickup trucks. They were supposed to be ferried to the top of Mount Olympus on a gleaming palanquin, and instead, they're stuck making me my morning coffee.

Suck it, 'greeoids. :smug:
 
These whiny bitches with degrees think blue-collar jobs (and people) are too unsavory to ever consider going that route. They went to college, after all. They were promised that they would never have to mingle with the riffraff or take a job working around soot and diesel and men with Confederate Flag and Peeing Calvin stickers in the back windows of their lifted pickup trucks. They were supposed to be ferried to the top of Mount Olympus on a gleaming palanquin, and instead, they're stuck making me my morning coffee.
Low Voltage workers (networking cable) get a little over $60/hour in total compensation for pulling new network cable. On the job training, no experience.

What people DONT say about construction is that these rates are TRAVELING work. They live on the road for months to years, away from home. The trades don't usually make big bank working for Jim bobs electrical, LLC adding charging ports to local homes. You make big bucks putting in 208v 3 phase power to data centers.
 
Millennials entered HR departments and ruined it like everything else they touched.

Crystal Methany in HR won’t actually read any resumes, she’s got some Jeet program to do it.
Yeah this is the one big reason I've found to be kinda fucked up, honestly.

You can make arguments about a lot of things, but the one thing I keep seeing is that HR is a nightmare. I can't exactly do labor due to health reasons, I don't have STEM degrees, and I'm just looking for white-collar work. I'll take what I can get and am still looking. I'm trying to figure out how to game ATS systems. I know people in their 20s that have been trying to get hired by Walmart for over a year. I know plenty of people who are still trying. But, in the midst of it all, it seems like there's just a big subset of young adults (people under 40) who just seem kinda lost in the sauce. Add on shit supervisors/managers, shit HR, and competing with everyone in existence. It's just kinda fucked. Case in point, I know a guy who had an MA in some humanities degree (HIstory/English, don't recall which one) and he's just been trying to get work in one of the 4 school districts. He got called by the principal of one school and told "they're not sure if they're looking to hire and they just put the posting up juuuust in case".

Add on the millennials being shoved into the boomer tier philosophy on all this. You just need any college! You just need the credentials! etc. Wanna become a clerk? Hope you got the 2-3 certs needed for this entry level thing on Indeed! Wanna become an inventory clerk? Entry level? Nah nigga they want someone with 5 years of experience and a degree in logistics/supply chain. (Saw 3 job openings like this).

I saw the rugpull in real time down here. Before 2020, in my region in this state, you could be a college grad and get a shit 35-45k a year job as a new grad, get a shitty apartment and car, and be okay. After the first year of covid, I saw job postings turn from wanting degrees to degrees and experience.

I'm not saying young people are excused, but it's some really fucked up shit. Add on the retards that get into jobs via nepotism, or the ones that play the idpol labels game, or etc.

Maybe I'll look into healthcare but I'd need to actually get the stuff I need. I've got some humanities grad degree too and I've gotten turned down from jobs because they tell me I'm overqualified.

I've even said I'll take lower pay as an opportunity to learn. Doesn't work. Shaniqua just passes me over. I, meanwhile, have to listen to out of touch boomers or smug retards who got their entry level jobs via nepotism. I'm trying to figure out how to get myself outta all this, slowly. I've started to amass used good for resale online, been careful. I've also inherited a storage unit's worth of stuff like vintage leather men's shoes and luggage. I'm sure it can work out, but good god, it's suffering to basically be in debt, watch things go from shit to worse with the coof era, and then get mocked by tone-deaf boomers. The few things I've learned? I don't think I'm cut out for working in higher ed because of all the whisper networks.

I'm a little too old for jobcorps. I'll probably keep plugging away. But, I'll admit, millennials and gen z have a strange nihilistic streak to them and I feel like the breakdown of the family unit in tandem with a lot of other societal decay has been partially responsible for it. I've noticed that millennials/gen z in the first world seem to have this clueless vibe to them sometimes where it's clear they need someone to kick them in the ass. There's this encroaching negativity so many of them get into with the "wah wah end stage capitalism" or "wah wah wokeisms". I'm just tired, man. I'm realizing that I'd prefer being around upbeat or down to earth people instead of endlessly negative/nihilistic millennials and zoomers.
 
I don't think I'm cut out for working in higher ed because of all the whisper networks.

If you don't have a high agreeableness factor, and many people don't, that is not a criticism but it's also not something you can effectively fake, higher education is not for you. In all honesty, neither is teaching. Higher education, well, it's easier and more permanent for you to be not quite blackballed, but certainly kept out of work. It happens a lot, and having mentors who have access to grant money and connections who can keep you in another 12 months' postdoc somewhere is absolutely essential. And teaching work in tertiary education is both precarious and poorly paid. Retraining or additionally training into secondary level or primary level teaching is possible, but... then you'd be a teacher. Which even under ideal circumstances is a poor fit for a lot of people, especially if they struggle working with kids. I don't need to tell you that present year is not ideal circumstances at all. People always did get jobs through nepotism, but as the job market contracts for 'desirable' jobs, people who are able to give jobs away target them at their own circles. Everyone looks after their own first. The worst lie of postindustrial societies is that they are 'meritocracies'. There is no such thing as meritocracy. Meritocracy is a cope word for those who did better than they should have by being lifted up via networks of advantage that their competition couldn't access. My husband is very good at what he does, but as long as he was professionally competent, he was always going to take over his father's business eventually because, well, that's his fucking dad, and once he chose that profession he knew he would never have to look for a job. I run the business objectively well, but I was taught the ropes by my father in law because we were going to inherit it. There was no advertising there. If our kids go into the profession, they will also never look for a job, because we will just employ them and in due course hand them over the business. Over a couple generations of that kind of in-group preference though, and a real divide starts to coalesce between those who were effectively born to those opportunities and those who weren't. The zoomers seem to be getting that harder than the millenials.
 
It is the student's responsibility to determine what path they will take. It is incumbent on them to ask questions and seek guidance to make the best decision possible. And very, very few people have a linear career. Most of us will change majors in college, or try different lines of work, or try alternative routes. This is America, the land of the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances, as long as you don't disqualify yourself by your own actions or lack thereof.
The critical step you're missing here is that a lot of kids don't understand why they have to go to college. They just go because they think they're supposed to.

Back in the day, you went to college to pursue a very specialized passion. and it was not considered common to do go, and you were probably someone who, without that schooling, you'd be doing that on your own anyway. Now, college is just another step in the diploma mill: you get the piece of paper, it must mean you're qualified, right? With a lot of people, the education begins and ends with the piece of paper. They don't particularly care about the thing they learned about, but they got the piece of paper.

That's where we are: the facade of being educated is more important than actually being educated, and this is getting truer at all levels of education nowadays, and for bonus points, it's turning into a sense of entitlement: someone passed me into the next level, which means I must be entitled to things.
 
I hate to admit it, but the reason I’ve been reluctant to continue to go for a Bachelors Degree or enter a medical trade, despite a lot of jobs requiring things like a license and such, is due to the cost, and not wanting to go into debt.

Plus, one kind of needs to find a proper job immediately if you are to pay for your cost of living, and those things take several years to achieve. So it’s a cycle of trying to find a job to support yourself alongside looking into further education.

That, and even entry-level jobs require years of experience.
 
At some point, the people are gonna have to start living like Nomads in 2077 just to survive in this world where shit is either automated or outsourced to a literal slave class.

Offgrid skills, knowing how to fix and do shit, and banding together for survival as well as being self-sustaining to some degree is gonna help big time.
I actually tried proposing this at a PTA meeting at my old high school, citing the increasing prevalence of van life.

It was received as well as reading a page full of redpill truths.

I mean it is unbelievable to me that straight faced, anyone can sit opposite me and tell me they can't make a good living doing something and there is nothing out there. I just don't believe it because I know that actually, there is, and everyone I know in my trade is starving for people to learn and come on board.
Ok grandpa, yeah we've heard this bullshit for over a decade. Meanwhile, when I went hat-in-hand to the local electrician's union and asked politely on how to even start the path for apprenticeship because I had exhausted all IT positions in the entire fucking tri-county area that paid over $20/hour and which I remotely qualified for...

I GOT TREATED LIKE A NIGGER WALKING INTO A WHITE-ONLY DINER IN 1940.

At the time I was so suicidal I kept dreaming of heaven and angels on the nightly, and the sheer attitude I got for daring to set foot on the hallowed ground of the old fart sparkys club made me give up and go back to my shitbox call center.

That, and even entry-level jobs require years of experience.
Lying is now a career skill. I had to search for recently closed businesses and make a phony Gmail + google voice combo for one of the managers so that one of my younger relatives could even start getting considered for anything besides burger flipping. He'll quietly drop it from his resume after he has enough legit experience.

His parents were fire-breathing furious when they found out but I am telling you nothing else worked.
 
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No one works for fun or because they are bored. They only work to support themselves. Basically to get a place to live pay their bills and buy food. When you can no longer afford to do that because the jobs available don't pay enough for anyone to be able do that then people will stop working. It's just that simple.
 
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If you don't have a high agreeableness factor, and many people don't, that is not a criticism but it's also not something you can effectively fake, higher education is not for you. In all honesty, neither is teaching. Higher education, well, it's easier and more permanent for you to be not quite blackballed, but certainly kept out of work. It happens a lot, and having mentors who have access to grant money and connections who can keep you in another 12 months' postdoc somewhere is absolutely essential. And teaching work in tertiary education is both precarious and poorly paid. Retraining or additionally training into secondary level or primary level teaching is possible, but... then you'd be a teacher. Which even under ideal circumstances is a poor fit for a lot of people, especially if they struggle working with kids. I don't need to tell you that present year is not ideal circumstances at all. People always did get jobs through nepotism, but as the job market contracts for 'desirable' jobs, people who are able to give jobs away target them at their own circles. Everyone looks after their own first. The worst lie of postindustrial societies is that they are 'meritocracies'. There is no such thing as meritocracy. Meritocracy is a cope word for those who did better than they should have by being lifted up via networks of advantage that their competition couldn't access. My husband is very good at what he does, but as long as he was professionally competent, he was always going to take over his father's business eventually because, well, that's his fucking dad, and once he chose that profession he knew he would never have to look for a job. I run the business objectively well, but I was taught the ropes by my father in law because we were going to inherit it. There was no advertising there. If our kids go into the profession, they will also never look for a job, because we will just employ them and in due course hand them over the business. Over a couple generations of that kind of in-group preference though, and a real divide starts to coalesce between those who were effectively born to those opportunities and those who weren't. The zoomers seem to be getting that harder than the millenials.
Oh yeah no I just want something within the region that pays a living wage, lets me pay off my student debt, and is something I can do. I think the one thing is that I can get along and socialize, but I suck at overt asskissing. Get me to do a job? Sure. Get me to talk in front of a crowd? Sure. Explain something? Sure, if I understand it.

But, in all honesty, I probably don't have the purebred level of agreeableness that people need nowadays in higher ed. I'd probably be fine if I was born a boomer or even early gen x.

Let's also not forget the bloat of illegals and h1b1 taking up space in America.

No on works for fun or because they are bored. They only work to support themselves. Basically to get a place to live pay their bills and buy food. When you can no longer afford to do that because the jobs available don't pay enough for anyone to be able do that then people will stop working. It's just that simple.
Yep

after a certain point people just turn to crime or exploit the system.
 
Second, while colleges and universities may offer unemployable majors, nobody forces these students to pursue these majors.
The social contract is simple. You waste 4 years of your life that you will never get back in a worthless institution that pretends to teach while you pretend to learn, and in exchange you get a well paying job afterward.

You can argue over how fair, or reasonable, or feasible, or beneficial for long term survival of a civilization or whatever the contract is, but that's what what people are promised in order to participate in it.

One side broke their side of the contract and is now acting all surprised and indignant and shit that the other side told it to go fuck itself and quit alltoogether in response.

Illiterate boomers used to walk in random corporate buildings and walk out with six figure salaries because the janitor liked the shape of the grease stain on their shirt or some shit and now they have the gall to tell the new generation that they didn't waste 4 years of their life on the correct bullshit degree to get even a fraction of what they got for free.
 
it's painful living in a society run by fucking retards and populated by them

everything should always go up, your money will go to a ponzi scheme they've brainwashed you since birth to think isn't a ponzi scheme, you are the most important workers but also are paid jackshit because you are replaceable (holy fuck, someone kill me am i surrounded by fucking retards), karen from hr who has never worked an actual job in her life will decide who works the actual jobs (the retarded ai she has for that really), a bunch of retards born with trust funds who think they know money because they grew up spending it will import even more retarded people to replace you just to wonder why they're losing out on money in the long run

it's all so ridiculous
everyone's dream job is one where they do nothing because they're the highest paying

we have created a society that idolizes laziness and punishes productivity and are shocked no one makes or does anything anymore
 
Second, while colleges and universities may offer unemployable majors, nobody forces these students to pursue these majors
its not even new phenom. guidance counselors were pushing college in the 90's and im sure in the 80s. ten years ago the papers ran the "they were lied to about college degrees" headline for millennials.
 
College is not a waste of time and it bothers me people use inability to find work as an excuse to take down the value of college degrees. That is very sad indeed. College gives you education, the skill-set to know how to learn and the discipline.

I agree it is too expensive; but I'd disagree that if you enter a different field it has no worth. Structure can be applied to any field and knowing structure and how to create it and learn from that structure is an important tool. It may be more important than the actual knowledge itself.

There is truth to the unattractiveness of blue collar work also, but I've been in both corporate and hands-on work and I liked both, but found that the hands-on work was better for my mental health and well being. It is true I would be earning double what I do now if I had remained in corporate so there is a trade-off.

I just think in general life for the younger generation does indeed entail more financial challenges than what I faced as a youngster so I can understand their need to get "up to speed income wise" is a dominating factor. Had I been under the same pressures I'm not sure of the route I would have taken.

It is very true and beyond question that automation and technology has wiped out a great deal of jobs and we have a burden of lost potential income for millions that now directly goes to corporate profits and shareholders as a larger dividend; and the advancement of AI and robotics will without a doubt increase that deficit in the short, medium and long term.

As a member of society I'd like to help them out, I think we all would like to see a prosperous younger generation but the hoops I have to jump through as an employer to get training programs together and the time and money spent is devastating when the people walking in the door have taken the time to train up to learn what to say and bullshit for a few months, rather than to do the actual job. The only places that afford to create a giant monster that "takes in all" and "spits most out to have the gems" are corporate giants where the cost per person of failure diminishes with scale.

SO MANY small businesses NEED PEOPLE but we get sunk when we have people coming in that want it all from the word go, not understanding the investment we've made and tying their value to the pay they get today and easily being swept away by a dollar more somewhere else.

It is incredibly frustrating. Good things take time, and being skilled in a field is one of them. The other 5 people in my area who do the work I do (who live quite well) are all college educated and all have higher education (University) - none of it which relates directly to the field. I am the only one of them without a college education - something I lament often.

It is valuable. Perhaps just not at this precise moment for some youngsters. Let's not sell them the idea society doesn't value them, because it isn't true, we just need them to be adaptable and willing - something they seem to have overlooked in education entirely.
 
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