AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[st_fujin]

Most of the anti-AI derangement is artists hating competition. They hate the end user being able to make stuff, cutting them out. If you sell fan art commissions, you have no right to call it a cooyright issue. Bluesky is full of cocksuckers in need of a bullet to the brain bragging about how they disown friends who use AI & calling people "literally Hitler" over it. If you're disowning someone for using an AI chat bot then you were never really their friend.

 

[Vecr]

 

[st_fujin]

Xexus on bluesky is one of those anti-AI nuts who brags about disowning friends. I threw away a birthday guft they sent me & bragged about doing so. Then I fed a bunch of the art commissions I bought from them into Grok for "training". I wish IP holders would finally grow some balls & crush the fan artist scene, that would realy have the anti-AI dickheads fuming.

 

[LifeAlert]

I wish IP holders would finally grow some balls & crush the fan artist scene, that would realy have the anti-AI dickheads fuming.

>pro-ai simp wants even more abuse of copyfaggot law so he can own those anti-ai chuds

 

[The Lawgiver]

>pro-ai simp wants even more abuse of copyfaggot law so he can own those anti-ai chuds

Noticed since the start of this shitshow and have pointed it out on and off, but both the ai art hypery and anti-ai sides of this derangement keep calling for expanding copyright fuckery even more, almost as if it's all some fucked up smoke and mirrors shill psyop to make people unironically ok with that bullshit.

 

[LifeAlert]

Noticed since the start of this shitshow and have pointed it out on and off, but both the ai art hypery and anti-ai sides of this derangement keep calling for expanding copyright fuckery even more, almost as if it's all some fucked up smoke and mirrors shill psyop to make people unironically ok with that bullshit.

Many such cases, just like the culture wars...

 

[linchan]

Xexus on bluesky is one of those anti-AI nuts who brags about disowning friends. I threw away a birthday guft they sent me & bragged about doing so. Then I fed a bunch of the art commissions I bought from them into Grok for "training". I wish IP holders would finally grow some balls & crush the fan artist scene, that would realy have the anti-AI dickheads fuming.

Stop tempting IP holders you faggot.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Most of the anti-AI derangement is artists hating competition. They hate the end user being able to make stuff, cutting them out. If you sell fan art commissions, you have no right to call it a cooyright issue. Bluesky is full of cocksuckers in need of a bullet to the brain bragging about how they disown friends who use AI & calling people "literally Hitler" over it. If you're disowning someone for using an AI chat bot then you were never really their friend.

Most of the anti-ai stuff is people dedicating their lives to a craft and then having a free tool come out that "sort of" does what they do, and everyone devalues actual artists.
Remind me, what training data there will be when AI replaces everyones jobs?
The moonshot of "actual creativity" is not there, and by the way all of the memeing people are doing with the ghibli thing? yeah its all stuff from movies and shows. It's iterative, not generative.
But yeah artists are freaking out because they think their entire life is going to have 0 monetary value and that their thing they like to do is going to go away.
Which leads to the question for everyone which is "is this going to just be life? AI generated stuff?" it's fun to think you don't have to work until you realize that you spent your entire life wanting to do something.

 

[linchan]

It's iterative, not generative.

If you ask anyone exactly what the difference in either is, they usually go on a paragraph-long incomprehensible cope.

I could probably argue that all of human creation was iterated from what came before, both culture and technology. People who make this distinction do not think hard about what they are saying.

But yeah artists are freaking out because they think their entire life is going to have 0 monetary value and that their thing they like to do is going to go away.

We seem to forget that a vast majority of people who identify as an artist, do not do it for a job. People who has the skill in the arts rarely go into the industry as a career. And the industry is already so saturated that the monetary value of their skills is already dwindling. Even before AI, a significant portion of western animation labor has been moved to South Asia, and right now Eastern animation is dominating compared to their western counterparts. Yet there does not seem to be any outrage from the Western animators about this compared to AI.

Above all else, I feel like people do art completely without monetary incentives. I distinctly remember how Youtube used to be a hotbed for creativity even before monetization was a thing, and still people create content on the website in spite that they cannot make a profit. And that's partially the reason the value of art is so low is because there are countless people who would provide entertainment for cheap, if not free.

People who seem to have this narrative that only now artists are seen as worthless to society, is kinda delusional. Because the skill has always been valued low, only a select few could actually flourish in it. These kinds of people try to sell others on this utopic fantasy that if it wasn't for the dang dirty AI, artists would all be employed and satisfied, but the truth is that the reason why artists are not valued economically is primarily because of other humans.

 

[linchan]

CONSERVATIVES HAVE FOUND THE AI GHIBLI FILTER. I REPEAT. THE CONSERVATIVES FOUND THE AI GHIBLI FILTER.
WE ARE ABOUT TO REACH CRITICAL MASS SEETHING.
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[Slav Power]

people dedicating their lives to a craft and then having a free tool come out that "sort of" does what they do, and everyone devalues actual artists

Was there any monetary incentive for cavemen to make these? No? Then why did they make them in the first place? Why was it that humans have always created things even if they weren't getting paid, or their work wasn't so exclusive once inventions like the printing press came along? Simple. Art is a form of human expression. AI doesn't affect anyone's ability to create. Those skills that those artists have gained are still there and they can still use them for self-expression.

Being an artist is not a job, it never was. Ever since the inception of the concept, paying artists to create art was a luxury. Of course this luxury was very lucrative when most people were just barely able to get by and the skills and resources needed to create were high. Then digital art became a thing and a lot of "artists" were kvetching as well, because their expensive investments into paints, canvases and all the tools needed to create were being replaced by an office computer and a cheap drawing tablet. Now, with AI, art is becoming a commodity even further, making the incentive to pay for art dwindle. Through basic economics mind you, there was a market hole that artists filled as the "next best thing", but with AI the need for artists in that market hole has gone down to zero. Obviously there will still be people who will prefer real art, but still, being an artists as your only skill never was, and now certainly won't be an easy way to get a comfy life and not have to do any real work to pay the bills and buy your fancy toys.

And guess what, plenty of artists aren't affected by AI an any way. Because AI hasn't taken away their skills or their joy from making art. Those who were affected by it never made art as a form of self-expression, they made art as a real life cheat to siphon paypig money from Patreon as an alternative from "degrading themselves" and getting a blue collar job.

Sorry, I don't buy this "poor artist won't be able to get by" excuse. If you suddenly have no worth as a human being because a machine can draw better than you, then I do not feel sorry for you one bit. You can't buy your Funko Pops and goon all day now that people can shit out their smut for free faster than your lazy ass ever could? Oh boo fucking hoo, cry me a fucking river. Eat shit and start stacking cans on store shelves you privileged cunt.

 

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[deleuzeon]

Being an artist is not a job, it never was. Ever since the inception of the concept, paying artists to create art was a luxury.

You're like reaching back to the Renaissance era with this one. Since the industrial revolution it actually very much has been a job. It's not a luxury to pay an art team to design a car, decorate a building, basically make any product more appealing — that's just economic production, also called a job. Not all art is fanciful commissioned paintings for a rich guy's house.

 

[linchan]

You're like reaching back to the Renaissance era with this one. Since the industrial revolution it actually very much has been a job. It's not a luxury to pay an art team to design a car, decorate a building, basically make any product more appealing — that's just economic production, also called a job. Not all art is fanciful commissioned paintings for a rich guy's house.

While I agree that art isn't a luxury, because the rates can be incredibly cheap which is why it can be so accessible. The examples you give are valued because there is an element of practicality and objectivity in doing something like designing a car or decorating a building. These things are tied up by regulation, maximizing performance, and user experience. There is as much of science just as there is art in these jobs.

To be clear, I don't think the art aspect of work like this is entirely disposable, nor do I think art and science are mutually exclusive, but the practicality of the job probably contributes a lot to their necessity in people's eyes.

I would also argue that any form of art has value in society as well, but the only reason why people view it as a luxury is because if you ask the average person between pure entertainment and sustenance in an economically tight situation, they will probably go with sustenance.

People are able to partake in entertainment or the arts because they have disposable income; when that becomes tight, the industry can suffocate, except for firms that can work for cheap.

It's paradoxical, but this is why people perceive art as a luxury at the same time the average artist do not seem to be valued highly.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Was there any monetary incentive for cavemen to make these? No? Then why did they make them in the first place?

Please crack open that pandora's box of "What is this all about?"
You think that going back to the dawn of mankind, and the posterity of people drawing their passions on the cave walls, or telling stories, or spreading myth has some value beyond money?
Interesting, please proceed with that line of thinking.

Being an artist is not a job, it never was. Ever since the inception of the concept, paying artists to create art was a luxury. Of course this luxury was very lucrative when most people were just barely able to get by and the skills and resources needed to create were high.

casually ignores all of human craft for thousands of years such as pottery, architecture, gardens, etc. to discuss computation.
You know, the stuff that was made out of recyclable materials that were sustainable. Or do you actually prefer everything being made in a chinese factory out of plastic and chinesium?

Now, with AI, art is becoming a commodity even further, making the incentive to pay for art dwindle.

Then what will feed the ghost in the machine?

they made art as a real life cheat to siphon paypig money from Patreon as an alternative from "degrading themselves" and getting a blue collar job.

Yeah get yourself a blue collar job so you can be replaced by AI there too? What job exactly can't be done by AGI? Who is "special" if not artists? Doctors? Lawyers? Scientists? Philosophers?
If the vision of something, and the creation of art based on that can be replaced by computers, then what's special about someone looking at cells for research, or someone practicing medicine?
No job is safe for AI utopian fellators, but I think they're in for an incredibly rude awakening when they realize that the actual value of AI is 0 dollars upon achieving "sentient levels of thinking" which is a moonshot, again.
When AI becomes ubiquitous and widespread, then why would anyone pay for it?
And when people demand money for it, why can't the product be pirated?
So at that point, who fucking cares what anyone does? Because you're describing a world where nothing is held sacred, and in that world, people will look for exactly what AI can't provide.
Meaning and purpose.
The real reason that AI lovers and AI is going after art is because it is explicitly human, and they themselves feel more powerful when they can eliminate human beings who have their own ideas from the process.
AI is still a tool of social control, not creativity. Because people think of it as an arbiter of truth, or a creative well of infinite potential, they give it way more credence than it deserves.
It reminds me a lot of North Korean lore. Just imagine everything Kim Jong-Il or Kim Il-Sung "invented" as being AI created. Yeah tooootally the AI did that, it couldn't be that its just copying things others actually did and regurgitating them within the parameters its recognized. No...the ghiblis don't all have a piss filter for some reason unlike actual ghibli, waddya meaaaaan?

But it is fun seeing the spergery, if only it didn't impact people's lives in such a silly way.
The true artists will use these tools and they will be at the exact same level they are now, because the output is the exact same level as the input.

 

[NoBueno]

In my opinion, porn in general is much more of a societal blight than drawn loli hentai as a subcategory of porn. Weird Japanese loli shit is probably less than a percent of the total porn on the internet and I feel like politicians and advocates could get much more done by going after major pornography companies rather than pseudonymous twitter loli artists. Gooners AI generating loli hentai causes significantly less harm (not to say it isn't harmful) than pornhub and xvideos being available to every child, and the rampant onlyfans whoring of the modern Internet.

Theres no money in porn if people can create it themselves with AI in 5 minutes. How are the trafficked people, and the pimps supposed to get paid? You are killing the trafficking industry you monster!

 

[Slav Power]

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Motherfucker, you just started arguing with yourself halfway through this drivel.

Take your meds and calm down.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Yeah get yourself a blue collar job so you can be replaced by AI there too?

All I'm saying is, AI doesn't grow on trees. People make it, people make the silicone it runs on, people design the products it goes into. AI (actually, all tech) creates as many jobs as it "destroys". There is always room for labor. Always. And if there actually isn't and the economy collapses as a result, then you bet your ass there will be no shortage of jobs afterwards when people seek to start rebuilding. I don't know how many printing presses, how many atoms split, how many nuclear bombs, and how many AI overlords it will take for people to realize that the world is inherently self-balancing and nigh indestructable just by the very nature of practical considerations such as time investments, social pressures, and resource costs.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

All I'm saying is, AI doesn't grow on trees. People make it, people make the silicone it runs on, people design the products it goes into. AI (actually, all tech) creates as many jobs as it "destroys". There is always room for labor. Always. And if there actually isn't and the economy collapses as a result, then you bet your ass there will be no shortage of jobs afterwards when people seek to start rebuilding. I don't know how many printing presses, how many atoms split, how many nuclear bombs, and how many AI overlords it will take for people to realize that the world is inherently self-balancing and nigh indestructable just by the very nature of practical considerations such as time investments, social pressures, and resource costs.

Correct. That's why I'm not buying into the hype or the dooming. Because the entire concept strikes right at the heart of what humanity and society's purpose is.
"Life finds a way."
People want to assume that the self-replication is the process, which implies AI is an evolution of humanity. But by the same token, AI could also likewise lead to changing humanity into a new being itself.
The issue I take is this idea that the human is somehow deleted from the process by AI, merely because the AI can automate a task. The task itself still has to have a human purpose, which negates the concept of these LLMs and Machine Learning being true AI. A true AI would decide for itself what it wants to do, and why.

 

[st_fujin]

"Pick up a pencil"- so you're fine with me using 1ctool but not another? But you also want me to buy your commissions? If I pick up a pencil I cost you business too!

"Real art is about expression!" - Shut the fuck up. I don't give a remote fuck about expression or what you thought when you made it. I probably know jack shit about you. I care about if I enjoy the final product. And on that note art made by a computer lacking a human element means I don't have to worry about the artist being a piece of shit. If AI means no more fuckheads like Michael Jackson, Jimmy Savile, Johnny Depp, Marilyn Manson, Justin Baldoni, etc, fine by me. We can cancel AND replace you. "Separate art from artist" is a shitty policy that only enables shitty behavior. It will also put furries out of business. I like the idea of that stupid cunt Kayla-Na being broke & I hope rapist pedo Zaush ends up homeless.

"Real art enriches the world"- Um, fuck you. Most art is made to sell a product & most art is made for pay because the artist needed cash. 95% of entertainment media we have now would not exist if not done for profit. I only ever made art for fame & when I didn't get it, I quit. Your happiness does not pay my bills.