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"Sustainable fashion" is already a trend, just yesterday I saw a viral post on twitter that said something to the effect of "It took 5 years but I finally got all the polyester out of my closet." Buying secondhand has long been a sensible option that a lot of people take, but in addition to the usual thrift stores and hand-me-downs and clothing swaps there are more hip boutique resale chains than ever before like Second Street, Buffalo Exchange, and Crossroads. And then add to that all the basic resale apps like ThredUp, Poshmark, and Depop. And on top of that add that secondhand luxury or otherwise high quality clothing is more accessible than ever, so people are using apps like Vestiaire and The RealReal to buy high quality things secondhand that they will use for decades.

I suspect we'll see the same across a variety of goods. If I can't get a new, cheap melamine cabinet, I'm more likely to look for a secondhand wooden cabinet instead. Economists treat durable goods as being bad for GDP, since they don't create as much "investment spending." According to economists, racing at breakneck speed on a treadmill to keep all your disposable crap from all failing at once is what a good economy is all about.

If the high speed rail is working it helps all other areas of the economy. Manufacturing because the transport cost of all goods goes down. it also increases travel and helps associated businesses (hotels, food, activities).

High speed rail is more expensive to operate than normal speed rail. Box cars and tankers don't really care about having to ride a train for 25 hours with no bathroom breaks.
 
why own gold when you can own stocks, stupid poor? anyway, my physically owned gold is more stable than stocks

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don't bother. he's only responding when people take his retard bait seriously, which is why he shut his dickholster when i stopped making fun of him.

he doesn't understand that there are values for things outside of their immediate monetary value, and cannot conceive of the idea that moving physical locations can change the value of an item based on scarcity. he is an actual retard.
 
You really think that Tim Cook is going to move Apple to some shithole country because of a higher tax rate

They tried in Ireland.
Why should I give a fuck about Wall Street?
how old were you in 2008? wall street failing leads to a cascading effect where people lose jobs, homes and lives.
The EU does not impose a 39% tariff on US goods
Available evidence shows that the real EU tariff rate is nowhere near the 39% mark
what's the EU tarrif on US poultry?
 
he doesn't understand that there are values for things outside of their immediate monetary value, and cannot conceive of the idea that moving physical locations can change the value of an item based on scarcity
The entire point of investments are their monetary value and the fact that they in theory will go up in monetary value over time. If you are buying something for any reason other than that, it isn't an investment.
Gold is an investment and has zero use for the average person beyond being a relatively stable investment.
 
An hundred years and all you could come up with is fourteen examples? Not exactly a strong argument.
The average American has declined. The average young person isn't like what they were 60-70 years ago. That doesn't mean there haven't been people complaining about "people not wanting to work" forever. Especially now, when the American worker has been getting a worse and worse deal for decades.
 
There are entire cities, fully built and finished, that are totally empty, just to keep the false narrative of endless growth going in China.
I need to re-dig it up, but some of the postulations on how many uninhabited buildings they have are fucking doom pill worthy. Well, if you are a mainlander chink that is. That’s not even bringing up the rapidly shrinking population and the depressing youth unemployment, which will probably get worse as the realization there is no great Chinese century up ahead starts to dawn on them.
 
Let me break this down really fast.
vehicle parts are on back order for months already. it would benefit you incredibly if they were produced locally in the united states, so that you could receive your parts within a week or so, rather than the literal months it takes to get ordered parts right now.
Your actually fooling yourself in believing that a company is gonna dump more money into something instead of just tacking a sales increase and just forget about it. So now that we have a backlog of orders, those parts prices are just going to increase significantly.
machinery is not a necessity for you, and again, already has evidence that production is opening back up. see above with the reference to paper mills. companies will sometimes need to pay more for a part. that is how trade works.
No, but they are a necessity for small business and farmers, but i guess that doesn't really fit into what your arguing about i guess. Also production isn't going to stopgap the price increases that we are going to see.
computer parts are absolutely not a necessity, and again, this is ALREADY BEING ADDRESSED. there are factories opening in the US, spurred on by tariffs.
I repeat the above they are a necessity if your a small business owner.
basic necessity food is NOT imported, the US actually works very hard to ensure basic necessity foods are available from within the country. go to a farmer's market, man. support local grow.
Basic necessity isn't a food import, but with the rise in farming machinery going up you bet the price on bread, milk and the like will increase unless the government starts giving out handouts like crazy.

OH wait they can't, DOGE took a fucking axe to it.
 
That would make since as we are entering a major market slow down.

If the high speed rail is working it helps all other areas of the economy. Manufacturing because the transport cost of all goods goes down. it also increases travel and helps associated businesses (hotels, food, activities).
here's some more reading on the subject. their liability on this is 5% of their entire GDP, every year, and they've been in a recession since before the rail line was completed. this trillion dollar rail line was basically useless, because it has not lived up to any of its promised economic benefits.

this is the most important part. china just doesn't care what the 'rules' say.

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this rail line will NEVER pay for itself due to costs with upkeep and maintenance, because they've built it out of debt to begin with, and they've dug trillions and trillions of yuan into debt for this.
 
The average American has declined. The average young person isn't like what they were 60-70 years ago. That doesn't mean there haven't been people complaining about "people not wanting to work" forever. Especially now, when the American worker has been getting a worse and worse deal for decades.
No shit but there's a difference between lazy people existing and laziness being an epidemic among a specific generation with a political culture that is insistent on promoting it.
 
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this is a false dichotomy. chinese corporations rule the roost in china, and always will. every single american company that tries to get a solid foothold to access that chinese middle class find themselves immediately at a disadvantage due to the dozens and dozens of laws ONLY foreign-owned companies have to deal with. that middle class is nowhere near as accessible as the US's, and it's also only in a few select cities. the vast majority of china's population wastes their money on the bread and circuses the government makes available easily to them. just look at how much is spent by the chinese on gacha, and how the chinese govt had to regulate children playing video games made directly in china.


that is one city. the overwhelming majority of china is shithole slums and rural countryside. are you a chinaman or something?
I'm just pointing out that China's population is 4x larger than the US and China has undeniably experienced an economic miracle in the past 25 years (paid for by you and I). China's new middle class with disposable income is larger than the entire US population and every Fortune 500 company is falling over one other trying to gain access to it. China's middle class has exploded while the US' middle class has collapsed in the same time. Nothing I just typed should be controversial as those are objective statements of fact.
 
Your actually fooling yourself in believing that a company is gonna dump more money into something instead of just tacking a sales increase and just forget about it. So now that we have a backlog of orders, those parts prices are just going to increase significantly.
so you don't buy from them, and find another company who will provide you parts at a lower cost, since that's how competitive local businesses work. this would allow other businesses with a willingness to charge lower rates, either through labor or parts, to undercut the business charging higher rates. this is not going to go well for you.
No, but they are a necessity for small business and farmers, but i guess that doesn't really fit into what your arguing about i guess. Also production isn't going to stopgap the price increases that we are going to see.
they can buy those parts still, at a slightly higher cost, but yes, it also does not have anything to do with 'the poorest americans', who do not own farms or small businesses. price increases on brand new objects just mean you need to invest money into a longer-lasting, better product instead of the cheap bullshit that breaks instantly. use your head, dawg. buying multiple shitty items is much worse than buying one slightly more expensive, high quality one, and this mindset helps keep people poor all the time, and you only feed into it with this.
I repeat the above they are a necessity if your a small business owner.
you are a retard, a cheap shit chromebook which can be used for business bookkeeping is a hundred dollars, and it will MAYBE go up a couple bucks. if you're buying a 4090 because you want to run your business, you need to let someone else run your business.
Basic necessity isn't a food import, but with the rise in farming machinery going up you bet the price on bread, milk and the like will increase unless the government starts giving out handouts like crazy.
most farms already have the machinery they need, and are as has been pointed out in the thread already, which you clearly did not read, subsidies from the government to help ensure that local production continues even if the market becomes saturated or underpriced. your arguments were all made from a place of "i know i'm right, so i won't even bother looking," and it really shows.

OH wait they can't, DOGE took a fucking axe to it.
what food subsidies did doge touch? i'll wait for you to elucidate that.
 
I suspect we'll see the same across a variety of goods. If I can't get a new, cheap melamine cabinet, I'm more likely to look for a secondhand wooden cabinet instead. Economists treat durable goods as being bad for GDP, since they don't create as much "investment spending." According to economists, racing at breakneck speed on a treadmill to keep all your disposable crap from all failing at once is what a good economy is all about.



High speed rail is more expensive to operate than normal speed rail. Box cars and tankers don't really care about having to ride a train for 25 hours with no bathroom breaks.
I found a very well cited paper on CATO about this. You are right, high speed rail is a money sink.
 

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The problem is people remember what they feel, they don't remember facts.
If you want them to fear omega Trump Hitler you can't make them laugh. It confuses their emotional programming.
Derisive condescension sure, but genuine laughter at the thought of cute little penguins paying tariffs on their little penguin goods will diminish their fear response to the idea of tariffs. Bad move.

Edit: This is the same reason encouraging the Vance edits was a bad idea. They thought they were mocking him, but instead they were making him funny and non-threatening and even worse: Relatable.
He did the right thing saying he knew about them, posting one once, then never mentioning it again. He doesn't kill the meme by keeping a death grip on it or participating in it constantly, but he affirmed the perception that he is the goofy looking guy in the edited images that make people laugh.
Leftists don't seem to understand this. You need consistent messaging and that messaging is what you make potential voters feel.
Note that whenever Trump makes fun of people (sleepy joe, crooked Hillary) it's humorous but also consistent in tone to his overall messaging of the opponent.
Leftists, among others, see humor as a club. They try to beat it over people’s heads to get them in line. You know how people say bullying works, shaming works? Just like how those things don’t work when you hate the people doing it, or when you have no self-reflection or shame, they don’t work when you can laugh at yourself. Humor can be endearing. It’s “at least people like jokes.”
 
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I'm glad the Trump team is pushing these points, it needs to be emphasized. You know why car design is so bland and gay and uniform? European safety ratings that are ridiculous strict requiring faggy smooth angles to protect gay ass pedestrian rapefugees, even Ralph Nader would say this is too gay.

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I'm just pointing out that China's population is 4x larger than the US and China has undeniably experienced an economic miracle in the past 25 years (paid for by you and I). China's new middle class with disposable income is larger than the entire US population and every Fortune 500 country is falling over one other trying to gain access to it. China's middle class has exploded while the US' middle class has collapsed in the same time. Nothing I just typed should be controversial.
an economic miracle which is currently in a recession, and which they have managed to keep up on its face thanks to hidden loans, as i just posted up above. they are several trillion yuan in debt because of this rail line, and it is not paying for itself at all, and that is going to eventually be felt by the Chinese, maybe not in a depression but certainly more recession as it continues to feel the burden of those hidden debts piling up. they want to increase the coverage of their high speed rail to 70,000km by 2035, which means they're going to continue digging this massive black hole firepit for money until they literally cannot do it anymore.

how old were you in 2008? wall street failing leads to a cascading effect where people lose jobs, homes and lives.
and nothing has been done about it since 2008. well now we're doing something.
 
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