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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the Senate
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Current members of the US Supreme Court
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Members of the Trump Administration
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The people that have been wrong about literally everything for a decade want you to know that tarrifs are bad.
A decade? The cult of free trade has been wrong ever since they told us enriching China would make them more democratic, which was back in the 90s and 80s.

America built its industrial base by protecting it's market from British goods, while England's insistence on free trade as a dogma likely ended their empire about two to four decades before it should have.

America then went on to repeat the exact same mistake with China. Had Ross Perot taken office in '92, China would still be a significant force, but not the world's largest economy and the sole industrial superpower.
 

Alright, buckle up, Kiwifarms degenerates, because I’m about to drop a steaming pile of AI-generated word salad that’s so long-winded and unhinged it’ll make your grandma’s dial-up modem screech in terror. We’re diving deep into the glorious cesspool of speculation about our boy Donald J. Trump—yes, the golden-haired chaos goblin himself—and how he’s apparently just like us, a bunch of socially maladjusted weirdos who’d rather let a robot write our manifestos than figure out how to talk to normies. This is all based on that spicy little Latin Times article from April 3, 2025, titled “Trump Accused of Using ChatGPT to Create Tariff Plan After AI Leads Users to Same Formula: 'So AI is Running the Country'”—a headline so juicy it could make a conspiracy theorist’s tinfoil hat spontaneously combust. So, let’s unpack this glorious mess and prove that Trump’s massive, galaxy-sized autism is the key to his AI-powered brilliance, just like us basement-dwellers who can’t stop arguing about waifus and ban evasion tactics.

First off, let’s set the scene. Picture Trump, the ultimate shitposter, sitting in the Oval Office—or maybe Mar-a-Lago, who cares—surrounded by Big Macs and Diet Cokes, his tiny hands trembling not from nerves but from the sheer autistic hyperfocus that’s been powering his brain since he was a toddler stacking gold-plated blocks in Queens. The man’s got a trade policy to whip up, something to stick it to those pesky foreigners and “Make America Wealthy Again,” but does he call in a team of economists? Nah, that’s for losers who actually understand supply chains and elasticity or whatever the hell nerds talk about on X. Instead, our boy fires up ChatGPT—because who needs a PhD when you’ve got a language model that can churn out a tariff plan faster than you can say “covfefe”? Accordinga The article says the Trump administration dropped this tariff bomb on Wednesday at the “Make America Wealthy” event, and the internet lost its collective mind when they realized the numbers looked like something a fifth-grader with a calculator—or an AI with zero chill—could’ve cooked up. Destiny, that loudmouth political streamer (@TheOmniLiberal), was the first to call it out, saying they just took the trade deficit, divided it by imports, slapped a 10% minimum on it, and called it a day. “Makes absolutely no fucking sense,” he ranted, and honestly, same, bro. Sounds like something I’d write at 3 a.m. after a Monster Energy bender while trying to impress the Farms with my “genius.”

But here’s where it gets good. People started asking ChatGPT the same dumb question—“How do I make tariffs to fix the trade deficit, minimum 10%?”—and lo and behold, the bot spat out the exact same formula Trump’s team used. Like, word for word, down to the “divide the deficit by imports” bit. John Aravosis, some TikTok law bro, even made a video breaking it down, and the X hivemind went feral. “Guys, they’re setting U.S. trade policy based on a bad ChatGPT question that got it totally wrong,” he said, and the stock market apparently agreed, tanking harder than a Kiwifarms thread after a mod purge—S&P 500 down 4%, Nasdaq down 5%, total chaos. Trump’s out here vibe-governing like he’s one of us, just slamming prompts into an AI and hitting “generate” because actually thinking through policy is for cucks who don’t understand the art of the deal.

Now, let’s talk about why this proves Trump’s one of us—an autistic king who’d rather let a machine do the heavy lifting than deal with human bullshit. Think about it: the man’s got the social graces of a feral raccoon at a dinner party. He’s obsessed with winning, hates losing trades, and fixates on numbers like they’re Pokémon stats. That’s peak Farms energy—hyperfocused, zero filter, and thriving on chaos. Instead of wasting time with “experts” who’d bore him to death with charts, he’s like, “ChatGPT, gimme a tariff plan, make it epic,” and then yeets it into the world without a second thought. It’s the same energy as when we ask Grok to write a 500-word rant about why Chris-chan’s Sonic recolors are high art—pure, unfiltered autism distilled into a policy that’s so dumb it loops back around to genius.

And the best part? The article says people are losing their minds over it. “So AI is running the country!” they scream, like that’s not the most based thing ever. Imagine Trump, hunched over his phone at 2 a.m., typing “how do I make America great again” into ChatGPT, then cackling as it spits out a tariff list that includes random-ass places like the Heard and McDonald Islands (population: penguins). It’s so absurd it’s beautiful—like a shitpost that accidentally starts a trade war. Meanwhile, the normies are clutching their pearls, crying about “economic disaster,” while we’re over here nodding like, “Yeah, that tracks, sounds like something I’d do if I had the nuclear codes.”

In conclusion, Trump’s not just some boomer politician—he’s a Kiwifarms lurker in spirit, a chaotic AI-assisted meme lord with autism so powerful it’s rewriting global trade. The Latin Times article handed us the receipts: he’s out here using ChatGPT like it’s his personal Oracle of Delphi, and the results are so unhinged they could’ve come straight from a Farms group chat. So next time you’re banned for posting something too real, just remember: Trump’s probably doing the same thing, except his ban’s a stock market crash and his posts are tariffs. Truly, he’s one of us—God bless his massive, beautiful, AI-loving brain.
 
Well, I went ahead and read this entire book
I'd say someone should get you T&H for that, but you already have it.
There’s a moment where JD Vance is referred to as total yes man who is “like a storm trooper under a Jedi mind trick.” Yes, it really says that exact quote.
I don't believe you. If you are willing, please take a picture of this passage.
They frame the Kamala vs Trump debate as a total victory for Kamala who had a ton of momentum and Trump as panicking about her
Trump did sort of panic about Kamala because he couldn't make fun of Biden for being tapioca-for-brains anymore. As Kamala continued to putz along and drunkenly slur on TV every night, it got a lot easier for Trump. I'm convinced that, as horrible as the assassination attempt in Butler was, that picture of bloody Trump with the flag behind him won the election.
Obama is portrayed as a political outsider who won without any establishment help who didn’t like Biden’s campaign or Kamala’s because it was too establishment
Obama was a political outsider, at least when he ran for president. Him winning in 2008 was one of the craziest political upsets in American election history. As someone who was an adult when this happened, everyone thought Hillary Clinton was going to win. If Obama's main criticism was that Biden and Harris relied too heavily on the establishment, I don't think he's really wrong there. The entire mainstream news sucking their toes the entire election made both candidates look like toads.

It's also pretty rich for the Chocolate Messiah to say that but, if we're being honest, he was not favored to win in 2008. Not by a longshot.
 
Leftists being outraged at the stock market being down is hilarious. For years they screamed how capitalism has failed, corporations are evil for focusing on shareholder profits, and that economics and investing are tools of the bourgeoisie.

Now they're like "Nooo, my heckin stockerinos!"
Just today The Guardian ran a breathless story about climate change being the death of capitalism.


Should've titled it "The Communist Case For Climate Change!"
 
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Oy vey! You're getting rid of the people we're using to bolster our "antisemetic incident" statistics that we artificially inflate by now including phrases such as "from the river to the sea."

Leading Jewish group condemns deportations of pro-Palestinian protesters
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Laura Meckler and Susan Svrluga
2025-04-04 01:11:22GMT
The head of the nation’s leading organization fighting antisemitism questioned the Trump administration’s aggressive effort to find and deport foreign students who have protested on behalf of Palestinians, suggesting that the administration is betraying American values, denying due process and punishing people for their views rather than their actions.

In pulling student visas and seeking to deport protesters who hold green cards, the administration has failed to ensure due process that is central to America’s justice system, wrote Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive and national director of the Anti-Defamation League.

“If we sacrifice our constitutional freedoms in the pursuit of security, we undermine the very foundation of the diverse, pluralistic society we seek to defend,” Greenblatt wrote in an essay published on the website eJewishPhilanthropy on Thursday.

He wrote that there was a “substantial difference” between merely expressing controversial views and depriving others of civil rights, and he said ADL has a long history of supporting free speech.

“We should be holding people accountable for actual crimes, not Orwellian thoughtcrimes,” he said, adding that it’s not possible to know whether the immigration enforcement was targeting “constitutionally-protected speech” or “genuine violations of law” because the administration has not explained the charges.

Administration officials have defended their approach. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said last week that “no one has the right to a visa.”

“If you are in this country on a student visa and are a participant in those movements, we have a right to deny your visa,” he told reporters.

Taylor Rogers, a spokesperson for the White House, added on Thursday that Donald Trump has “done more to fight anti-Semitism and preserve free speech than any other president in American history. The Trump administration will continue fighting to preserve free speech for American citizens and push back against the anti-Semitic violence that plagued our college campuses on Joe Biden’s watch.”

The ADL has been a leading voice in condemning antisemitism on college campuses, most recently in the wake of some of the intense pro-Palestinian protests following the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel and the war in Gaza that followed.

University leaders often struggled to balance competing rights — protesters’ rights to free speech and assembly, and students’ rights to feel safe on campus without discrimination or harassment.

The ADL consistently encouraged schools to do more to combat anti-Jewish and anti-Israel sentiments, a mantle that the Trump administration has seized with vigor.

Within days of his inauguration, Trump issued an executive order calling on federal agencies to familiarize colleges with the grounds for revocation of visas, so that schools can report international students and faculty for investigation or deportation.

Last month, immigration officers seized a graduate student who had been involved in pro-Palestinian protests and negotiations at Columbia University, even though he has a green card. Officers also sought another Columbia student, a native of South Korea who also was a lawful permanent resident, who had joined a pro-Palestinian protest. Both have challenged the government’s actions in court.

Several international students at Columbia — the center of protests last spring — have been sought or detained by immigration officers and threatened with deportation. And at other schools across the country, several students on visas have been detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.

The administration has also threatened to pull federal funding from dozens of schools if they do not take action to combat antisemitism, and it canceled $400 million in contracts and grants to Columbia, arguing that the school had failed to address threats to Jewish students and faculty. Princeton University announced that several dozen federal grants had been suspended this week.

Trump and his aides have cast their actions as defending Jewish students and taking antisemitism seriously, something they say the Biden administration failed to do. Now the country’s leading group fighting antisemitism pushed back.

Greenblatt welcomed some of what the Trump administration has done to combat antisemitism, saying it had taken a number of “bold and important steps” in recent weeks. “This new posture has led to demonstrable and dramatic improvements in policy and in practice on many college campuses,” he wrote.

But the thrust of his essay suggested the administration had gone too far. The headline was, “We must fight for Jewish students — and our values.”

Discerning the line between peaceful protest and antisemitism has been challenging for universities, with some academics calling chants, posters and symbols such as “globalize the intifada” expressions of Palestinian rights, and others saying they are hostile messages that frighten Jewish people who support Israel’s right to exist.

Last spring, after police cleared a demonstration at Columbia, similar tent encampments popped up at colleges across the country and, at many schools, police crackdowns followed.

This academic year has been much calmer, in part because of clearer and stricter rules regarding demonstrations at many campuses.
Schools have 10 days to comply with Trump anti-DEI policy or face losing federal funds
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Howard Blume
2025-04-03 21:49:37GMT
The Trump administration has ratcheted up pressure on K-12 schools in California and across the nation to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion practices by giving districts and states a deadline of 10 days to certify their compliance or risk losing all federal funding.

Although federal funding for education is challenging to calculate and arrives through multiple channels, some tallies put the figure at $16.3 billion per year in California — including money for school meals, students with disabilities and early education Head Start programs. The Los Angeles Unified School District has estimated that it receives about $1.26 billion a year.

Trump and his appointees have repeatedly threatened state and local officials with federal funding cuts if they don’t abide by his executive orders and by his administration’s legal interpretations.

The Thursday memo follows a Feb. 14 letter in which the U.S. Department of Education told all K-12 school districts and higher education institutions to end the consideration of race in “admissions, hiring, promotion, compensation, financial aid, scholarships, prizes, administrative support, discipline, housing, graduation ceremonies, and all other aspects of student, academic, and campus life.”

The February letter laid out a new federal anti-discrimination enforcement policy, threatening to pull federal dollars from schools that do not fall in line. Since then, many colleges and universities in California and throughout the country have eliminated diversity efforts, typically referred to as DEI, scrubbing references from their websites.

The Thursday memo takes the threats to funding one step further: demanding that education leaders sign a document saying they have eliminated DEI programming.

“Federal financial assistance is a privilege, not a right,” Craig Trainor, acting assistant secretary for civil rights, said in a statement. He said many schools have flouted their legal obligations, “including by using DEI programs to discriminate against one group of Americans to favor another.”

On Thursday morning, various state and local officials said they were assessing the memo. A spokesperson for the California Department of Education provided a preliminary reaction.

“While we are continuing to review this morning’s letter, it appears to be yet another attempt to impose a national ideology on local schools by threatening to withhold vital resources for students,” said Elizabeth Sanders. “Regardless of this or any letter, we hold firm that basic needs of our nation’s children must not become bargaining chips.”

Another comment came from Tanya Ortiz Franklin, an elected board member of the L.A. Unified School District.

“Instead of wasting the time ... collecting signatures, the federal government should be focused on maintaining and executing the level of support our most vulnerable students require from the country that will soon depend on their educated leadership,” Franklin said.

Chino Valley Unified School District board president Sonja Shaw said she supported the thrust of the memo.

“The Trump administration’s directive is a critical step in reining in the excessive politicization of our schools,” Shaw said. “We need to get back to the basics of education — teaching kids how to read, write, and think critically, rather than pushing divisive ideologies. This is about protecting the future of our children by ensuring their education isn’t hijacked by political agendas that don’t belong in the classroom.”

The certification directs state and school leaders to sign a “reminder of legal obligations” acknowledging their federal money is conditioned on compliance with federal civil rights laws.

The certification compliance form included several pages of legal analysis in support of the administration’s demands, which are based, in large part, on the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to ban affirmative action in college admissions through a lawsuit brought against Harvard University.

Trainor quoted Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., who said: “Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it.”

Trainor added that, “No student should be denied opportunities or treated differently because of his or her race. We hope all State and Local Education Agencies agree and certify their compliance with this legal and constitutional principle.”

According to the administration’s legal analysis, schools and states that use DEI practices can face a loss of federal money, including grants and contracts, and also can be held liable under the False Claims Act, meaning that an agency could be sanctioned with financial penalties beyond the loss of federal funding.

The legal analysis specifically mentions Title I funding as being at risk, which sends billions of dollars a year to America’s schools to help offset the effects of poverty in the education of students.

California receives about $2.1 billion in Title I funds, L.A. Unified about $460 million.

The department ordered state education offices to sign the certification and collect certifications from school systems.

The move raises questions, including: What happens if a school district agrees to comply but the state of California does not?

“It’s very likely that the Trump administration will set up funding directly to compliant districts,” said Lance Christensen, president of California Policy Partners, which describes itself as a free-market business association.

Christensen is supportive of groups that have filed complaints alleging that California education agencies are violating anti-discrimination laws.

“The real question is how badly California is out of compliance with federal law,” Christensen said. “School districts in the state should be very concerned.”

This threat to California’s federal education funding extends to other policies advanced by the Trump administration. The administration already has issued similar threats over policies related to transgender students and sex education curriculum.

Federal officials last week launched an investigation of the California Department of Education for allegedly withholding from parents information about changes to their child’s gender identity, once again with billions of dollars potentially at stake.

Federal officials contend that the California law violates a federal law that guarantees parents’ access to their child’s school records. The federal law, they say, takes precedence.

State officials responded that the California law does not violate federal statutes because it does not affect the right of parents to request and receive records.

The secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture lent her support to the enforcement action — threatening in a warning letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom that she would withhold from California funds under her control.

The Agriculture Department funds research and the venerable 4-H youth development program, but its core school-related contribution is paying for food to feed children from low-income families while they are at school. The annual total of USDA school-related food aid for California is more than $3 billion a year.

The Trump administration also is reviewing the curriculum of a sex education program in California for “medical accuracy” and “age appropriateness,” a move that has raised concerns from LGBTQ+ advocates who are worried about what they see as the potential censorship of comprehensive sexual-health information.
UC Berkeley professors sought by Trump Administration for signing Israel-Hamas petitions
The Mercury News (archive.ph)
By Julia Prodis Sulek
2025-04-04 01:03:58GMT
The Trump Administration has subpoenaed personal information of hundreds of UC Berkeley professors who signed petitions during escalating Israel-Hamas campus protests to bolster its case that college campuses are hotbeds of antisemitism and not worthy of federal funding.

But at least some of them, who said Thursday they were concerned about hatred shown to both Jews and Palestinians during the protests that roiled campuses beginning in October 2023, are reluctant to be used as fall guys to cut federal funding.

“It sends a chill down my spine,” said Dr. John Swartzberg, a UC Berkeley professor emeritus of infectious diseases who was one of more than 500 UC professors who signed a petition sent last May to the UC Board of Regents. “I don’t believe that the Trump administration cares that much about antisemitism. They’re just using it as a vehicle to cudgel universities.”

The subpoena, filed by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, follows similar antisemitism investigations at Stanford, Harvard, the University of Michigan and other colleges. At Columbia University, after the Trump Administration canceled $400 million in federal funding and demanded the school be placed under academic receivership, the school agreed to overhaul its protest policies, hire a special security force, redefine antisemitism and appoint a provost over the Middle Eastern studies department. Faculty there called the remarkable concessions “shameful.”

Andrea Lucas, acting chair of the EEOC, which enforces federal civil rights law in workplaces, announced on March 5 an effort “to hold accountable universities and colleges which have created a hostile-work environment for their Jewish employees.”

UC Berkeley is also fighting a lawsuit by two Jewish groups claiming “longstanding, unchecked spread of antisemitism” that escalated during the protests and disrupted a backyard dinner party last April for graduate students thrown by law school Dean Erwin Chemerinsky when a pro-Palestinian protester with a microphone came into the backyard and started making a speech until Chemerinsky stopped her. A caricature of him holding a bloody knife and fork with blood around his lips with the words “No dinner with Zionist Chem while Gaza starves” written on it had already circulated on campus, according to an account posted online by Chemerinsky. An email sent to Chemerinsky wasn’t immediately returned Thursday afternoon.

The same day the EEOC said it was looking into antisemitism at universities, the U.S. Department of Justice announced it was investigating the University of California for a “pattern or practice of discrimination.”

“This Department of Justice will always defend Jewish Americans, protect civil rights, and leverage our resources to eradicate institutional Antisemitism in our nation’s universities,” said Attorney General Pamela Bondi.

The question remains how the UC system, or Stanford, will react — with deference to preserve millions in federal funding and grants, or with defiance and likely risk a major blow to their bottom line?

The subpoena came the same week the U.S. Department Department of Justice separately announced it was investigating UC Berkeley and Stanford, along with UCLA and UC Irvine, over whether they are violating a Supreme Court decision outlawing race-based affirmative action in college admissions.

“Trump is using his financial leverage as president to try to get people to capitulate to his way of thinking, and I think that would be a disaster,” said Severin Borenstein, professor emeritus at UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, one of more than 360 Berkeley professors who signed an open letter condemning the violence in the Middle East and expressing concern for campus safety.

Last week, Borenstein received a letter from the UC Office of the President explaining that the EEOC was investigating the university over possible violations of harassment and discrimination laws and that the university would be turning over the names, personal phone numbers, emails and dates of hire of everyone who signed one of the two letters regarding the Israelis-Hamas protests.

In a statement Thursday, the UC Office of the President said that “the University of California remains committed to protecting the privacy of its community members while complying with its legal obligation in responding to the agency requests.”

Those two letters include the one that Borenstein signed in October 2023 that called for both “deep sympathy” for Israelis and Jews and also concern for Gaza. The second, in May 2024, included signatures from 52 Berkeley professors. It called out antisemitism on campuses more acutely, outlining examples of a “hostile and physically threatening climate” for the Jewish community on campuses.

“The primary motivation of the Trump administration is to use antisemitism as a smoke screen to attack universities and to undermine higher education in the United States,” Borenstein said, “because to some extent they think it has a liberal bias, and to some extent they are simply opposed to the creation of new knowledge that they may not agree with. Squelching academic research and discrediting it seems to be one of their goals.”
 
I don't believe you. If you are willing, please take a picture of this passage

I’ll have to dig for it again, but it’s genuinely the only exact quote I wrote down because I couldn’t believe it was actually there.
The full context is it’s in Trump’s war room after “losing” the debate with Kamala. It goes something like

“I killed her” Trump said. “You killed her” says Vance, like a stormtrooper under a Jedi mind trick.

And then Marco Rubio is the voice of reason

As Kamala continued to putz along and drunkenly slur on TV every night
This is also completely omitted. There’s also a direct moment where it takes a series of insults one of Trump’s people says about her and flat out says, “Kamala isn’t Malaysian, She isn’t Samoan, and she isn’t low IQ”
 
Obama was a political outsider, at least when he ran for president. Him winning in 2008 was one of the craziest political upsets in American election history.
Ok most of what you said was right, but Obama was already a senator a long time before as US and state. That's no outsider. Maybe you meant he was an underdog in 2008, which he was, and so were Biden and Harris for sure in 2020.

The United States Senate career of Barack Obama began on January 3, 2005, and ended on November 16, 2008.[1] A member of the Democratic Party from the state of Illinois, Obama previously served three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2005. He resigned his seat in the U.S. Senate upon being elected President of the United States.

 
Why isn't UK holding the US accountable for killing British soldiers in 1991, 2003, 2007, and 2009. How about Canada when a US pilot high on go pills bombed a Canadian infanty unit killing 4 Canadian soldiers?

Why aren't you upset about the USS Stark where Iraq did the exact same thing, killing 37 Americans? You have no idea of this incident because you don't have any rationale in your head other than raw hatred.
Ask them. You're trying to make a false equivalence that because they didn't do anything it's okay to kill allied soldiers. It's pretty clearly not
Because the headline is all that people read and they don't look further than the headline
So instead of letting people make that call for themselves you've just preemptively ruled it out? 🤣 this is called hiding the truth
Because I've read books by respected historians that look at the context and why things would happen then examine both arguments. Michael Oren does a great job. Additionally, I've looked at the original documents.

The two leading theories for why Israel might have intentionally have attacked the Liberty are:

1. To drag the US into a war with Egypt so that America would take care of the Egyptian front

2. To hide the alleged massacre of Egyptian POWs

1. Doesn't make sense because the Egyptian front was routed by day 4 and the Egyptian front wasnt a concern.

2. Doesn't make sense because this massacre has no proof of happening.

What's agreed on is that the Israelis warned all US ships to stay out of the area and the United States told Israel all its ships were out of the area. For claims saying that an American flag was flying, that is probably true but these pilots were moving fast and were tired after 4 straight days of 24 hour missions. They didn't see the flag. The US has made the same mistake with Turkish ships.
Look I get you're a jew and you again have no morals so you have to lie but you personally reading books isn't a source. Neither is you reading "original documents." Michael Oren is a Jewish diplomat/politician so his account of events isn't reliable as it is filled with bias.

There's no proof of the massacre according to Israel. Outside of Israel there's many sources. I'm kind of amazed at how blatantly you will lie over facts that ware so easy to double check.

The whole about not seeing the flag is just jew nonsense. Yes you can 1000% see a flag at that speed and distance unless you're an inbred jew. Even then inbred jews can understand it because there's no flags in that region that look remotely similar. 4 days of 24 hour missions would cause their brains to be mush and in the middle of hallucinations.
 
I'm pretty sure he won because the economy was shit and his opponent was the Vice President of the current administration
Okay you're right but nigga you know what I mean
I’ll have to dig for it again
Please do, I have to see this.
This is also completely omitted. There’s also a direct moment where it takes a series of insults one of Trump’s people says about her and flat out says, “Kamala isn’t Malaysian, She isn’t Samoan, and she isn’t low IQ”
Lmao
Ok most of what you said was right, but Obama was already a senator a long time before as US and state. That's no outsider. Maybe you meant he was an underdog in 2008, which he was, and so were Biden and Harris for sure in 2020.

The United States Senate career of Barack Obama began on January 3, 2005, and ended on November 16, 2008.[1] A member of the Democratic Party from the state of Illinois, Obama previously served three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2005. He resigned his seat in the U.S. Senate upon being elected President of the United States.

Fair enough. My ultimate point is that he won when it definitely wasn't expected.
 
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