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Here’s an expanded list of countries involved in tariff negotiations with the United States under President Donald Trump’s tariff war as of April 4, 2025, along with explanations of where their negotiations stand based on available information. This builds on the previous list and reflects the latest developments in the ongoing trade disputes.
  1. Canada
    • Status: Canada is actively negotiating with the U.S. to mitigate the 25% tariff imposed on March 4, 2025. After securing a one-month delay in February by pledging a "fentanyl czar" and border security measures, Canada retaliated with 25% tariffs on $20 billion in U.S. goods when talks stalled. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has threatened further tariffs on $85 billion in U.S. exports if no deal is reached soon. Negotiations continue, with a trade delegation in Washington, but Canada is balancing diplomacy with the threat of escalation.
  2. Mexico
    • Status: Mexico faces a 25% tariff effective March 4, 2025, delayed once in February after committing 10,000 troops to its border. President Claudia Sheinbaum has held off on immediate retaliation, planning a response by March 9 if negotiations fail. Talks with U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick suggest potential for partial resolution, but Mexico is under pressure to address fentanyl and migration issues alongside trade. Negotiations are ongoing, with Mexico aiming to protect its auto industry.
  3. China
    • Status: China is not negotiating in good faith yet. It faces a 34% reciprocal tariff on top of a 20% existing duty, totaling 54%. In response, China imposed 34% tariffs on U.S. goods starting April 10 and restricted rare earth exports. Beijing calls this a "firm opposition" to U.S. "bullying," showing no immediate willingness to negotiate. The trade war is escalating, with little progress toward a deal.
  4. European Union (EU)
    • Status: The EU, hit with a 20% tariff, is preparing for talks while readying $28 billion in two-phase retaliatory tariffs (starting mid-April) if negotiations fail. In February, the EU offered to cut car tariffs from 10% to 2.5% and boost U.S. energy imports, but no agreement has been reached. EU leaders, like Ursula von der Leyen, emphasize negotiation but are poised to act if Trump doesn’t soften his stance.
  5. India
    • Status: India faces a 26% tariff and has responded proactively by offering to reduce tariffs on $23 billion of U.S. imports (e.g., gems, pharmaceuticals) to address its $46 billion trade surplus with the U.S. Following Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s February 2025 White House visit, negotiations aim to double bilateral trade to $500 billion by 2030. Talks are progressing, with India seeking to avoid further escalation.
  6. Japan
    • Status: Japan, under a 24% tariff, is negotiating to secure exemptions, particularly for its auto exports. Trade Minister Yoji Muto has called the tariffs "regrettable" and is pushing for a swift U.S. reconsideration. Japan is avoiding retaliation so far, focusing on diplomacy, but no concrete deal has emerged.
  7. South Korea
    • Status: Facing a 25% tariff, South Korea is negotiating to lessen the blow to its auto and tech sectors. Acting President Han Duck-soo has ordered emergency support for affected industries and tasked Trade Minister Cheong In-kyo with talks in Washington. Negotiations are active, but South Korea is also preparing domestic countermeasures if needed.
  8. United Kingdom
    • Status: The UK, with a 10% baseline tariff, is negotiating a broader trade deal to avoid escalation. Prime Minister Keir Starmer sees this as an opportunity to strengthen ties, keeping retaliatory options open but prioritizing talks. Progress is slow, with no firm resolution yet.
  9. Australia
    • Status: Australia, also at a 10% tariff, is negotiating to eliminate duties without invoking its Free Trade Agreement’s dispute mechanisms. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has ruled out retaliation, focusing on diplomacy to maintain friendly trade relations. Talks are ongoing, with Australia hopeful for a favorable outcome.
  10. Vietnam
    • Status: Vietnam faces a steep 46% tariff but has lowered rates on U.S. cars and LNG to ease tensions. Negotiations are underway to reduce the impact on its consumer goods exports, with Vietnam showing willingness to adjust trade policies. Progress is tentative but positive.
  11. Israel
    • Status: Israel has reportedly dropped all tariffs on U.S. goods in response to Trump’s reciprocal tariffs (17%), effectively concluding its negotiation by aligning with U.S. demands. This move strengthens bilateral ties, with Israel securing a favorable position early.
  12. Thailand
    • Status: Thailand, facing reciprocal tariffs (exact rate unclear), is adjusting its own tariffs and negotiating to mitigate impacts. Details are sparse, but it’s actively engaging with the U.S. to protect its export-driven economy, with talks in early stages.
  13. New Zealand
    • Status: New Zealand, under a 10% tariff, is seeking discussions to address the $900 million hit to its exporters. It disputes the U.S. claim of a 20% tariff on its goods, pushing for clarity and relief in negotiations. No deal has been finalized.
  14. Taiwan
    • Status: Taiwan, hit with a 32% tariff, is negotiating to reduce the burden, calling the duties "unreasonable." President Lai Ching-te has urged strong talks to safeguard Taiwan’s tech exports, with prior efforts to increase U.S. energy imports showing some goodwill. Negotiations are ongoing.
  15. Argentina
    • Status: Argentina is negotiating to become the first "zero-tariff" country with the U.S., offering concessions to avoid reciprocal tariffs (exact rate unspecified). Talks are advancing, with Argentina leveraging its agro-industrial exports to secure a deal.
  16. Italy
    • Status: As part of the EU, Italy faces the 20% tariff but has independently signaled it won’t pursue retaliatory tariffs, favoring negotiation. It’s working within the EU framework and bilaterally to protect its luxury goods and auto sectors, with talks ongoing.
  17. Norway
    • Status: Norway, under a 10% tariff, is pushing for negotiations to protect its export-heavy economy. Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre has called the tariffs "serious" and is seeking to "put a foot in the door" with U.S. officials. Talks are in early stages.
  18. Switzerland
    • Status: Switzerland, facing a 10% tariff, is urging quick negotiations to avoid escalation. Its business federation, Economiesuisse, calls the tariffs "harmful," and the government is engaging U.S. counterparts to find solutions, with no firm progress yet.
  19. Spain
    • Status: Within the EU’s 20% tariff, Spain is advocating for a united EU response but also exploring bilateral talks. Economic Minister Carlos Cuerpo emphasizes readiness to counter tariffs, with negotiations part of the broader EU strategy.
  20. France
    • Status: Also under the EU’s 20% tariff, France is negotiating via the EU while President Emmanuel Macron urges companies to pause U.S. investments as leverage. Talks are tied to the EU’s broader efforts, with France pushing for a strong stance.

Explanation of Negotiation Dynamics​

  • Negotiating Countries: Most nations (e.g., Canada, Mexico, EU, Japan, South Korea, India, Vietnam, Israel, Argentina) are engaging with the U.S. to reduce or eliminate tariffs, often offering concessions like tariff cuts, border security commitments, or increased U.S. imports. Israel and Argentina stand out for their proactive alignment with U.S. demands.
  • Resistant Countries: China is the primary holdout, opting for retaliation over negotiation, escalating tensions. This reflects its stance against perceived U.S. unilateralism.
  • Mixed Approaches: The EU, UK, Australia, and others blend negotiation with the threat of retaliation, aiming to pressure Trump into concessions while avoiding an all-out trade war.
  • Progress: Israel has effectively concluded its talks by removing tariffs, while others like India, Vietnam, and Canada show partial progress. Most negotiations remain fluid, with deadlines like April 9 (reciprocal tariffs生效) and mid-April (EU retaliation) looming.
These negotiations are driven by Trump’s "reciprocal tariff" policy, announced April 2, 2025, aiming to address trade imbalances. Countries are responding based on their economic reliance on the U.S. market, strategic priorities, and willingness to escalate or de-escalate tensions. The situation continues to evolve rapidly.
 
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previously he HAD given fucks?
Playing nice with the establishment got him a bullet an inch from his brain.
This is Trump trying to save America before it's too late.
Something is being signaled here and they went with the most basic bitch formula to make sure the signal couldn’t be missed. But what is the actual message?
That the other countries' tariffs/barriers don't matter so much as the tariffs he wants to put in place to improve America.
 
Plays into the debt refinance 5d chess idea I guess. To be clear, I hate nth dimensional chess copes, but there’s clearly *something* going on beneath the surface tariff story. The official reciprocal tariff equation is a fucking Econ 101 meme that a drunk undergrad could whip up on a bar napkin.

Any random LLM could output an econometric equation sufficiently dense enough to avoid the current wtf narrative of “0.5((x-m)/m)” and yet that’s what they went with. It’s so remarkably dumb that it somehow completely rules out an explanation of stupidity (in the sense that the media is screeching about ie: “Trump can’t do math”) . Something is being signaled here and they went with the most basic bitch formula to make sure the signal couldn’t be missed. But what is the actual message?
Look at the actual reaction to the tariffs. No one is going to let this happen.

The more countries break and then drop their tariffs, the worse it is for hold outs, because someone else will take their place and simply have a better export sector. I don't know if the end game is zero tariffs and a fair playing field or some small universal tariff (10%?), but this whole thing is a play to get massive concessions and so far it seems to be working.
 
My PoliSci teacher said that the tariffs were a bad idea because they were too strong from the get to. He said what he should have done was tell the manufacturers that he was raising the tariffs by 0.1% every year for ten years, and to slowly train workers while the companies build factories here.

I so badly wanted to call him a retard. You wanna know what would have happened? Every company would just say "lol sike", not do fucking anything, and then the first tariffs hit for 0.5% and everyone fucking whines, which causes all these politicians to instantly walk back and shit their pants and the economists get to gloat that tariffs are icky bad wrong despite them doing fucking nothing.
 
new overpriced shoes sorry shoe guy
Look man, its a nigger hobby and I get it.

It's more fulfilling that doing heroin at least, even if it makes as much sense.

People who "invest" in shoes are straight retarded tho... I'm probably gonna buy the Nike dip instead of whatever Jordans are coming out this month.
 
Look at the actual reaction to the tariffs. No one is going to let this happen.

The more countries break and then drop their tariffs, the worse it is for hold outs, because someone else will take their place and simply have a better export sector. I don't know if the end game is zero tariffs and a fair playing field or some small universal tariff (10%?), but this whole thing is a play to get massive concessions and so far it seems to be working.
It's a classic prisoners dilemma, if all the nations of the world agree to not negotiate then they'll be in a stronger position later, but by breaking rank they avoid a lot of immediate pain and do not risk being left in the dust if other nations negotiate
 
My friend just went on a tirade about how we're putting tariffs on nations we've got a trade deficit with and he's saying the tariffs were a mistake but I've yet to actually look into this. The man blackpills over the drop of a hat and it's actually kinda concerning.
The US has all climates, rules a continent, has proven reserves of nearly all elements found on Earth, and a third of a billion people. Depending on last century manufacturing, and slave labor, in the Global South is inefficient, and retarding Humanity's technological growth.

We'll be fine.
But what is the actual message?
Free lunch over, put up or shut up.
Meanwhile the Germans, and French, can't agree who gets to control the EU military, and have no real ability to produce enough weapons for their own defense. The US will probably narrowly avoid recession, on weapons sales to the Frog vs Kraut armament war alone.
 
Look at the actual reaction to the tariffs. No one is going to let this happen.

The more countries break and then drop their tariffs, the worse it is for hold outs, because someone else will take their place and simply have a better export sector. I don't know if the end game is zero tariffs and a fair playing field or some small universal tariff (10%?), but this whole thing is a play to get massive concessions and so far it seems to be working.
Yeah I suppose that’s my current head canon as well. “Braindead Econ 101 Tariff Formula” as the novel international economics equivalent of DoD announcing “Naval Training Exercises” outside all these countries, all at once.

Probably something you could only pull off once and only as the hegemon. Many such cases of late, hopefully this turns out to be more effective than when Biden’s handlers weaponized SWIFT against Russia.
 
I'm just amazed how many people love having other people take their money for no reason and think they'd be in the wrong for ever demanding any of that money back. Where were you niggers when I was going to school? I'd have bullied the ever-loving shit out of you. You mean I can steal your lunch money and I have your guarantee you'll never do anything about it? Gee, thanks for the money, you spineless doormats. God, you guys are dumb fucking niggers.
 
What was wrong with Biden's economic policy from your perspective ? What can you criticize him for that can't be said about Trump ?
Personally?

In Trump's first term, I was able to rent my first apartment, buy my first car, and got my first adult job.

Under Biden, my savings stagnated while my grocery bill doubled and rent hiked. For what? To save a CIA money laundromat and give corporate handouts as DEI good goy points. All the while, I was told everything was fucking peachy, and that my wallet was lying to me.

NOW liberals pretend to care about inflation? You, whose response to high gas prices was "Let Them Drive Teslas"? Go fuck yourself with broken rusty rebar.

Trump's tariffs cannot hurt me any more than Biden already has.

I didn't vote for Trump to make my life better. I voted for Trump to hurt liberals. I want the ones who turned this country into a Weimar nightmare to suffer. My vote was driven by revenge and spite.
 
The Houthi conflict is a previously existing foreign war mostly peaceful trade route dispute.
America was not directly involved until the red sea stuff.

The main opposition to the Houthis has been Saudi Arabia which America actually stopped. Even Trump made a big show of how the Saudis were mean and the Houthis were good boys who dindu nuffin
 
More crying about Loomer. They're really pissed about Trump getting rid of those NSC people.

Loomer’s Role in Firings Shows Rising Sway of Fringe Figures on Trump
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, and Ken Bensinger
2025-04-04 22:03:40GMT
Laura Loomer had President Trump’s full attention.

Sitting directly across from the president in the Oval Office, Ms. Loomer, the far-right agitator and conspiracy theorist, held a stack of papers that detailed a litany of accusations about “disloyal” members of the National Security Council. The national security adviser, Michael Waltz, had arrived late and could only watch as Ms. Loomer ripped into his staff.

Fire them, Mr. Trump instructed Mr. Waltz, according to people with knowledge of the meeting on Wednesday. The president was furious and demanded to know why these people had been hired in the first place.

The events of Wednesday and Thursday, with more than a half-dozen national security officials fired on the advice of Ms. Loomer, unsettled even some veteran Trump officials. But the situation perfectly encapsulates Mr. Trump’s longtime penchant for soliciting information from dubious sources. The difference now, in Mr. Trump’s second term, is that he has fewer people around him who try to keep those voices away.

In a social media post on Friday, Ms. Loomer explained why two of the people who lost their jobs this week were on her list. Gen. Timothy D. Haugh, the head of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command, had been chosen by Gen. Mark Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, whom Ms. Loomer called a traitor. And General Haugh’s deputy, Wendy Noble, was close to James Clapper, a former director of national intelligence and fierce critic of Mr. Trump.

People close to General Haugh said he did not know how he ended up in Ms. Loomer’s cross hairs. He was traveling in Japan when the Pentagon told him that his “services would no longer be needed,” without any further explanation, according to two former U.S. officials.

White House officials did not respond to questions about the meeting. In a statement, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said: “President Trump has assembled a great team of people who work tirelessly to better our country. As we have always said, and the president maintained last night when speaking with reporters on Air Force One, he continues to have confidence in Mike Waltz and his national security team.”

During Mr. Trump’s first term, some aides, in particular John F. Kelly, the former Marine general who was the president’s longest-serving chief of staff, spent a large portion of their days blocking off people they described as “the crazies.”

But by the end of 2020, those efforts had entirely broken down. Mr. Trump had fired his gatekeepers, or they had resigned in disgust, and a parade of fringe figures had easy access to the Oval Office.

People eager to feed into his belief that the November presidential race had been stolen from him had freewheeling access to Mr. Trump in the final weeks of his first term. They included Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow, and Sidney Powell, a former federal prosecutor who spread wild conspiracy theories about foreign interference in the 2020 election.

With Mr. Trump now more confident in his executive power and instincts and bolstered by a team that shares his sense of persecution, there is no pretense that he can be controlled or managed. The door to the Oval Office is wide open and seated just outside it is Natalie Harp, a former far-right television presenter who lives in the internet’s fever swamps and is deeply devoted to the president.

Ms. Loomer was not alone with the president during the meeting on Wednesday. Also in the room at various points were Vice President JD Vance; Susie Wiles, the chief of staff; Howard Lutnick, the commerce secretary; and Sergio Gor, the head of presidential personnel. At some point, they were joined by Representative Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, a congressman who, like Ms. Powell and Mr. Lindell, was a key player in Mr. Trump’s efforts to cling to power after his 2020 loss.

Mr. Perry was appointed months ago to the House Intelligence Committee, giving him a level of visibility into intelligence and activities in Mr. Trump’s government, including inside some of the agencies under discussion in the meeting.

But while Mr. Perry is an elected lawmaker, Ms. Loomer, who twice ran unsuccessfully for Congress, is the kind of blunt-force operative that Mr. Trump has been drawn to since 1973, when he hired Roy M. Cohn, first as a lawyer and then as a mentor and fixer.

Ms. Loomer calls Roger J. Stone Jr., another of Mr. Cohn’s acolytes and Mr. Trump’s longest-serving political adviser, her mentor. But while Mr. Stone had worked for mainstream political candidates over several decades and Mr. Cohn was close with top levels of business and political elites, Ms. Loomer, just 31, had operated entirely on the fringes until Mr. Trump’s first presidency. And in her version of political warfare, nothing is out of bounds.

During the 2024 Republican primary contest, when she was arguably Mr. Trump’s most aggressive online advocate, she floated the baseless conspiracy theory that the wife of his rival, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, had faked her breast cancer.

Mr. Trump and some in his orbit view Ms. Loomer as a talented researcher, capable of finding dirt others cannot, or will not, excavate. And Mr. Trump has long liked having allies who are willing to lob attacks that even he might consider too risky, allowing the president to distance himself.

Ms. Loomer has fashioned herself as a loyalty enforcer from outside the administration, but she has solid enough relationships inside to be added to Mr. Trump’s calendar for a meeting. Several weeks ago, she incorporated an opposition research firm called Loomered Strategies, and frequently posts information on social media to discredit and question the loyalty of people working for Mr. Trump.

Recently, she has focused on targeting judges who have opposed Mr. Trump and named several administration staff members she insisted were subversive or didn’t belong there.

In the days before the meeting — originally scheduled for Monday but moved when she couldn’t get to Washington in time — Ms. Loomer had posted about several N.S.C. aides she insisted needed to be removed. Shortly after, the N.S.C. began sending some of those people back to their home agencies.

Typically, in previous administrations, the N.S.C. staff does not go through the presidential personnel vetting process that other aides do. But in this iteration of the Trump White House, N.S.C. staff members were vetted by administration officials. One hire was stopped midway through the hiring process when Mr. Trump’s personnel team discovered the person had been somewhat critical about the pro-Trump riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

But the intense focus on who is deemed “loyal” and who isn’t has been a factor since the transition. The criteria are often confusing, with senior officials sending mixed messages in public and private.

On Thursday, Ms. Loomer defended Mr. Gor on the social media site X, saying, “Sergio is 100% correct to implement LOYALTY OATHS. Leave Sergio alone!”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One on Thursday, the president insisted that Ms. Loomer had nothing to do with the firings. But he also said, “She makes recommendations of things and people, and sometimes I listen to those recommendations.”

Reached by phone in Los Angeles on Friday morning, Ms. Loomer advocated even more dismissals.

“In my opinion President Trump should re-evaluate his entire National Security Council,” she said as she prepared for a deposition of the TV host Bill Maher. Ms. Loomer sued the comedian for defamation in October, because of remarks he had made on air about her relationship with Mr. Trump.

She added that “if the president still has confidence in Michael Waltz’s ability to be an effective N.S.C. director, then Michael Waltz needs to either take a course on vetting or learn to do a better job at vetting.”
With Mr. Trump now more confident in his executive power and instincts and bolstered by a team that shares his sense of persecution, there is no pretense that he can be controlled or managed.
These faggots want nothing more than the whole of his administration to be filled with people like Vindman and Bolton.
 
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MAGA patriots are now unironically promoting leftist anti-consumerist/anti-technological values and the return to an unironical agrarian society. Very American indeed.

What a ride.
Not only that but suddenly they care about labor rights and working conditions in foreign countries. And environmental pollution from industries supplying the west!

Very amusing to see.
 
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