The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Autistic Nonetheless]

Yeah yeah, we're simultaneously losing to China slowly by doing nothing, and we'll lose against them by fighting back.

You should really learn the difference between fighting back and shitting yourself in public.

 

[Obnoxious Asshole]

higher prices = jeets can't afford to live = leave country

americans are fucked regardless and have nowhere to go, so they stay

I wish that would work, but history constantly proves it never works out that way.

 

[Optavia Sales Rep]

How could we (Null) reword allowing access to payment processors as "assisting small business owners during these horrible tariffs"?

 

[Robotic Kiwi]

The US was taking advantage of slave labor and countries that mass pollute their own home. Imports were underpriced due to this and things will go back to how they were supposed to be without 3rd world price deflation. It should not be cheaper to ship something halfway around the world than to have it built/ processed less then 3000 miles away, its completely retarded from an economic and environmental standpoint.
It still sucks, he probably will not reduce taxes anytime soon, pissing off Everyone who had gotten used to this artificially deflated market due to cheap prices from third world shitholes.

 

[Welfare Bum]

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mongrel

Spoiler: This is a load of bullshit, and this is why.

These supposed tariff rates that are charged to the USA are not tariffs. They are trade deficits. The "reciprocal" tariffs are not a mirroring of tariffs imposed by foreign bodies. They are calculated to theoretically reduce the trade deficit to $0. Here is how they are calculated according to the white house: https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations

The actual tariff rates imposed on the US by the EU are closer to 4%. So it is anything but "reciprocal." They got their numbers from the formula in the link. $235.6bn (total trade deficit with EU) ÷ $605.8bn (total goods imported from the EU) = 0.388 or 39% rounded up. It's literal bullshit and it's only called "reciprocal" to fool morons and make them believe they are victims being taken advantage of by foreigners.

This is suicidal levels of retardation by Trump. Akin to going all in while bluffing in poker. So far, only small, dependent countries like Vietnam have folded. But countries in the EU, and even Canada are calling, and that's not even mentioning China, who have recently retaliated by effectively cutting off rare earth minerals. Trump isn't getting manufacturing jobs back onshore. The economic hardship that will be faced by Americans over the next four years will effectively guarantee a democrat winning the next election, and everything Trump did, aside from flooding the country with legal indian immigrants and displacing the white man, will be undone. All while the world expedites it's inevitable pivot to China.

 

[Wodanaz]

Okay, military spending in NATO countries is what... 0.005% of the world's GDP? Get yourself some better arguments, retards.

You asked how the US is footing the bill. I posted the US footing the bill.
I am retarded and don't know shit about economics because it seems more complicated than chemical engineering, but I do know how to read a chart.

Russia invades Ukraine > America mostly foots the bill > America stops footing the bill > Russia takes what they want > Europe scrambles to rearm > Russia starts looking at Europe and thinking about what they want to take > Europe cannot restart formerly American trade with other countries in time to finance rearmament > ???? > PROFIT (for Russia)

This is but one of many possible futures, of course. I do not even think it is particularly likely. But what do you think?

 

[Fascist Kirk]

higher prices = jeets can't afford to live = leave country

americans are fucked regardless and have nowhere to go, so they stay

All this time inflation inflation inflation .......... Cash is king in the land with no buyers .... cure for high prices is high prices .... warren buffet!

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

What? The boomers are the ones who're pissed off the most, especially with the stock market decline! The additional 50% was billed as a punishment while the tariffs of others got reduced, it's very clear that he's just harassing them to show he means business, there's no real reason to believe they'll stick forever, unless there's constant escalation. And who says manufacturing can never possibly come back? It declined in part because of cheap overseas labor, something that this is intended to be a solution for. The whole point of it is to disincentive foreign labor/goods and make local production price competitive with that. Will it jack up prices initially? Yes it will. Is it better in the long run than our extremely fake and gay economy? Absolutely. I'm sorry if you're addicted to cheap chinese slop, and getting fucked even harder by more subtle debt-fiat financial sorcery you can't understand, but I assure you that jobs, independence, and higher quality goods are worth it in the long run. Hell, taking business away from the hyper-polluting chinks and jeets is way better for the planet too.

“The economy is fake and gay” is not an argument, you don’t like complex systems, so you just declare them illegitimate, like a toddler calling chess “rigged” because he can’t play.

You whine about our “addiction to cheap Chinese slop” like it’s some moral failure instead of a byproduct of globalized supply chains, wage differentials, and consumer behavior you clearly don’t grasp. People buy what they can afford. No one’s choosing $12 t-shirts because they hate America, they’re choosing them because they don’t want to spend $85 on a pair of socks so you can LARP factory worker nationalism in your basement.

You also talk about “getting fucked even harder by more subtle debt fiat finance sorcery” as if you’re redpilled, but you clearly don’t know shit. You’re just using spooky phrases to sound deep while admitting you don’t understand monetary policy, bond markets, or how interest rates actually work. It’s not “sorcery.” It’s just economics, and you skipped the class.

And your final cope? That “jobs, independence, and higher quality goods are worth it in the long run.” Bro, none of that is guaranteed. We don’t have the infrastructure, we don’t have the workforce, and we don’t have the capital investment roadmap. You think tariffs alone are gonna birth factories from the dirt and summon high-quality goods by brute force? You’re not rebuilding America, you’re roleplaying a 1950s fantasy while the real world laughs and moves on.

Your whole worldview is economically illiterate, emotionally delusional, and strategically suicidal.

Go reread Econ 101, preferably without licking the textbook.

 

[Pure Autism]

Thoughts on this analysis of the tariff plan?
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Ok so you actually got me interested.

According to data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, agriculture, food, and related industries contributed roughly $1.537 trillion to U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) in 2023.

In 2024, the U.S. exported $176 billion (Some sources say $191 billion) in agricultural products to a total of 189 countries and territories. However, 75% of our total exports went to only 10 markets and nearly half (47%) of our agricultural exports went to only three countries: Mexico, Canada and China. These are the things US agriculture exports:




The United States in 2024 imported a record $263 billion in agricultural and related products. A hefty deficit of course. These are the food categories the US imports and top imports by country:



Plus a bonus of food import by state and the top imported article:

>California
Though you will notice that it seems the USA mostly imports specific items that it kinda doesn't produce.

Now however, I believe the most important fact is that US farmers export just over 20% of what they produce. The rest goes to feeding Americans, feeding livestock, or is turned into biofuels. So the US farmers sell 80% of their production domestically and directly contribute to the domestic economic health, while their exports produce a tidy profit. On average, $2.09 of domestic economic activity is created for every $1 of U.S. agricultural exports. This translates to jobs as well, with USDA estimating that over 6,000 jobs are created for each $1 billion in agricultural exports – equaling approximately 1.25 million jobs in 2022.

By observing all of these factors it appears that the US agricultural industry only has a side gig when it comes to imports/exports, being mostly self-centered and non-reliant on foreign imports (Apparently mostly just importing luxuries and banana republic produce). However it seems a lot of US farmers and businesses make big bucks for themselves by exporting specialized products to very specific markets.

So will the tariffs really fix food prices if the US farmers stop exporting soybeans to China and California stops importing Avocadoes from Mexico?
I guess we'll have to stay tuned and find out.

Spoiler: This was a brief glance, but a fun one, here are some of the sites I sourced info from

https://usafacts.org/answers/what-is-the-value-of-us-trade/country/united-states/
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-us-trade/us-agricultural-trade/us-agricultural-trade-at-a-glance
https://www.fb.org/market-intel/agricultural-exports-101#:~:text=With%20more%20than%2020%25%20of,financial%20success%20of%20U.S.%20farmers.
https://www.traceone.com/resources/plm-compliance-blog/foods-most-vulnerable-to-import-tariffs#:~:text=Currently%2C%20the%20U.S.%20imports%20nearly,budget%20on%20food%20and%20beverages.
https://www.fb.org/newsroom/fast-facts#:~:text=Cattle%20and%20calves%2C%20corn%2C%20and,direct%2Dto%2Dconsumer%20sales.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/by-numbers-stacking-up-us-farm-imports-exports-braun-2025-03-21/#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20in%202024,was%20an%20all%2Dtime%20high.

 

[Near]

higher prices = jeets can't afford to live = leave country

americans are fucked regardless and have nowhere to go, so they stay

Sorry, Josh. Pajeets are here to stay. Poles are no longer go-to cheap labor.
Maybe the US will invent some ingenious pajeet pods that they can afford and deploy from to work for those peanuts

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

You also talk about “getting fucked even harder by more subtle debt fiat finance sorcery” as if you’re redpilled, but you clearly don’t know shit. You’re just using spooky phrases to sound deep while admitting you don’t understand monetary policy, bond markets, or how interest rates actually work. It’s not “sorcery.” It’s just economics, and you skipped the class.

Your entire post reads like ChatGPT wrote it.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

there is NO hope for you

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low iq monkey fuck

Tell me what you really think about me

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Their stand off with China is vastly exaggerated by memes

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Yeah, that's how Americans fundamentally don't understand Southeast Asia. All these nations may not like each other, but they are still neighbors and do business with each other. In Japan, Taiwan, and Korea's cases, they HAVE exactly the kind of industries and experts the US wants to check China, but if I were Japan, I would treat that 25% tariff on my auto industry as betrayal for my loyalty. If I were Taiwan, I'd see that Arizona factory as American attempts at corporate espionage and therefore, weakening my defense industry. Thus, these nations are going to fence sit and wait for one side to collapse.

 

[Schlomo Silverscreenblatt]

I were Japan
If I were Taiwan

Thankfully (hopefully?) you're not

 

[sedoL]

I see everyone is dooming here, but what's the problem? Economic collapse? Isn't this still just according to plan?

 

[Chapalapachapa]

Guys don't you see? Everything will be fine the world will just move on from the United States, you know, the worlds most consumerist country? Yeah I mean it makes sense just to go to other markets right? Oh wait, you're telling me that those markets are already tapped? What do you mean 43% of Nintendo revenue came from the US and only 25% came from all of Europe combined? They'll just sell more Nintendo shit to make up for the loss of half their business of course! AT least we know China will be a great trade partner, just ask the US... Oh nevermind, but they can just sell their stuff to India because india has 1.2 billion people waaaayyyyy more than the US! What do you mean that would be an 85% reduction in profit? Huh? Indians mostly live in abject poverty with some of the most worthless currency? I gueess it might be a little difficult to work around the worlds richest country, who buys more than everyone else from everyone else.

Totally bro

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

Your entire post reads like ChatGPT wrote it.

If you think structured thought and economic literacy = AI; that’s just you admitting you get filtered by complete sentences.

Don’t blame me because you brought a vibes-based worldview to a reality fight and got bodied by punctuation.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Yeah yeah, we're simultaneously losing to China slowly by doing nothing, and we'll lose against them by fighting back. Manufacturing is never coming back. No matter what anyone does, it's over, forever and always. We should just roll over and die. How did we even get so strong to begin with! Must've been a fluke!

No, no Mr. Round Eye Ghost Pig, you no understand. Manufacturing is poverty and you should not want to manufacture or make things it is very wrong of you think of the Crimate!

No, no, do not look at Beijing, very poor, no advance space program in China numba wan.

 

[CECA Loather]

He realizes we need to have the infrastructure, and the properly trained individuals to run the factories, to manufacture stuff locally, right?

You literally can't just pull that out of your ass.

The corpo cocksuckers spent decades hallowing out American manufacturing. It will take much more than happy thoughts and pixie dust to get things up and running here in the US again.

But you need to at least establish the infrastructure, train the skilled labour and so on before slapping the tariffs whilst you are still an import dependent economy.

If I were China and wanted to destroy Murica, I'd stop all exports to Murica and see how they build their armies without rare earths needed to make weapons, aircraft and sophisicated systems.

The tariffs or import taxes placed on Chinese imports achieve the same effect. Trump is really a godsend to China!

 

[Quijibo69]

I see everyone is dooming here, but what's the problem? Economic collapse? Isn't this still just according to plan?

You will always eat the bugs and live in the pod. The house will always win and you will love it!