The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[mindlessobserver]

The United States in 2024 imported a record $263 billion in agricultural and related products. A hefty deficit of course. These are the food categories the US imports and top imports by country:

I would like to refer the thread to the flag of the Number 2 nation on "Prepared Food Imports".

If you don't recognize that flag, don't feel bad. Its an obscure one. Its the Republic of Singapore. Singapore didn't make any of that shit. What they did do however was serve as a giant fricking maritime warehouse, that quickly and efficiently moved shit to where it needed to go. Singapore is the Venice of the 21st century, and something to that should be thought about.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I feel like this is the main argument with Trump as a politician is that he does shit that everybody talks about in hypotheticals. That’s a way to make everyone angry because then you don’t get the illusion of sounding intelligent when the reality of it is happening and people have to make solutions.

You might get hindsight, but I feel like a lot of Trump’s shit is more or less “the best time was 20 years ago, the 2nd best time was ten years ago, the 3rd best time is now.” Covid showed that the old way of doing things is retarded even if you don’t believe Covid was bullshit. Being completely dependent on China or India for a lot of industries is retarded.

I voted for trying to bring back manufacturing. If it causes some lean years and the total destruction of Canada then so be it.

 

[Übertroon]

It is not that people like it. But if you vacate the seat someone else is going to park their arse in it. And you've got the EU and China busy working their arses off to replace you (China as world power and EU as the top Western power).

I'm not cheering this on but that is the reality. They're only taking what you're giving them.

Right now the US is being a very outspoken bully towards Europeans and other countries, the Chinese suck don't get me wrong, but the Chinese are nice enough to pull out the red carpet before they fuck you.

Europeans talking about aligning with China because the US decided the free ride is over is a ridiculous notion
I'm from Europe, I know that's a cope, the politicians know that's a cope, the americans know that's a cope, the chinese know that's a cope.
Whatever the americans are doing lately the chinese have been doing tenfold for the last 30 years.
Even the EU's own resources state that whole swathes of industries are banned from opening up shop in China because the Chinese view it as a security threat, and that

in practice, foreign investors still continue to face unwritten barriers in many sectors.

https://www.eusmecentre.org.cn/faq/are-there-restrictions-for-setting-up-foreign-invested-companies-in-china/

 

[Greasy Goblin]

And your final cope? That “jobs, independence, and higher quality goods are worth it in the long run.” Bro, none of that is guaranteed. We don’t have the infrastructure, we don’t have the workforce, and we don’t have the capital investment roadmap. You think tariffs alone are gonna birth factories from the dirt and summon high-quality goods by brute force? You’re not rebuilding America, you’re roleplaying a 1950s fantasy while the real world laughs and moves on.

Go reread Econ 101, preferably without licking the textbook.

Well you see, there's the crazy thing called supply and demand, where people make things because they want or need goods and services! If foreign goods cost too much, people will use the resources they have to get/build what is too inconvenient or expensive to get elsewhere! The incredible production capacity we once had also didn't spring out of the ground, people built it because it was economical to do so, and stopped once it was no longer economical to do so! Maybe, just maybe, they'll do it again should economic conditions change! Oh, wait, I forgot, it's impossible, it'll never work, we can never ever make anything here again because _____

You whine about our “addiction to cheap Chinese slop”

You also talk about “getting fucked even harder by more subtle debt fiat finance sorcery” as if you’re redpilled, but you clearly don’t know shit. You’re just using spooky phrases to sound deep

Actually, those were just insults directed at you specifically, I don't know how you missed that.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

just take out another credit card, loan or morguage it will all work itself out lulz

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

Well you see, there's the crazy thing called supply and demand, where people make things because they want or need goods and services! If foreign goods cost too much, people will use the resources they have to get what is too inconvenient or expensive to get elsewhere! The incredible production capacity we once had also didn't spring out of the ground, people built it because it was economical to do so, and stopped once it was no longer economical to do so! Maybe, just maybe, they'll do it again should economic conditions change! Oh, wait, I forgot, it's impossible, it'll never work, we can never ever make anything here again because _____



Actually, those were just insults directed at you specifically, I don't know how you missed that.

You are talking to ChatGPT. How can you not see that?

 

[mindlessobserver]

but if I were Japan, I would treat that 25% tariff on my auto industry as betrayal for my loyalty

Or conversely Japan could just drop their tariffs on US made cars, and then the US would reciprocate by dropping tariffs on their cars. Its not like it would hurt them. Nips are very loyal to native brands. Doubtful Ford could sell a car even IF there were no tariffs.


What is being missed in all the shrieking is the word "reciprocity". Yes, the USA has a trade imbalance with Madagascar because we import alot of vanilla and export fuck all to Madagascar. But Madagascar still has trade barriers up that would prevent the effort happening in the first place. Maybe some hog farmer would like to sell country hams to Madagascar. He can't. Because of the trade barriers. That don't occur in reverse. The complaints about the tariff reciprocity are "Bird in the Bush" arguments. The USA has a trade imbalance because its not exporting to these countries. But it Can't export in the first place, so no private company will do so. Self fulfilling and defeating prophecy.

 

[n1663r]

HOLY SHIT AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!!!!1!!

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

just take out another credit card, loan or morguage it will all work itself out lulz

Just make another sock account, it will all work out.

 

[The Noise]

This thread is really funny when you consider that the OP @John Badman is only so vehemently trying to be a HHH emulator because he lost thousands of dollars doing wallstreetbets tier shenanigans with stocks and he personally blames Trump for it

 

[Breadbassket]

This thread is really funny when you consider that the OP @John Badman is only so vehemently trying to be a HHH emulator because he lost thousands of dollars doing wallstreetbets tier shenanigans with stocks and he personally blames Trump for it

That's rather unfortunate if true.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

HOLY SHIT AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!!!!1!!

the calls of economic collapse are coming FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.

 

[Breadbassket]

the calls of economic collapse are coming FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.

Maybe the real economic collapse was the friends we made along the way.

 

[Barleys]

That's rather unfortunate if true.

He lost 400 dollars and turned on Trump immediately. Every penny after that just fueled his rage even more

 

[FootballBuff]

Yeah, that's how Americans fundamentally don't understand Southeast Asia. All these nations may not like each other, but they are still neighbors and do business with each other. In Japan, Taiwan, and Korea's cases, they HAVE exactly the kind of industries and experts the US wants to check China, but if I were Japan, I would treat that 25% tariff on my auto industry as betrayal for my loyalty. If I were Taiwan, I'd see that Arizona factory as American attempts at corporate espionage and therefore, weakening my defense industry. Thus, these nations are going to fence sit and wait for one side to collapse.

You have an argument on Japan being their "self-defense force" is an active military in everything but name. But China actively wants to invade and subjugate Taiwan. Why would they fence sit when all that does is run them the risk of losing the power of NATO backing? Did everyone forget we're still the worlds largest weapons dealer? Did all of you forget? WE'VE GOT THE BOMBS!

 

[N Space]

America IS going to destroy the system that was set up for the last 50 years.

The system they themselves imposed

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I feel like the insane thing with the economy is that people have money riding on things staying static forever. Like the whole deporting illegals costing a hundred billion dollars was from an NGO that doesn’t want any deported and is the number assuming you house and give each one a trial rather than throwing them out of a plane after shooting them.

Or conversely Japan could just drop their tariffs on US made cars, and then the US would reciprocate by dropping tariffs on their cars. Its not like it would hurt them. Nips are very loyal to native brands. Doubtful Ford could sell a car even IF there were no tariffs.


What is being missed in all the shrieking is the word "reciprocity". Yes, the USA has a trade imbalance with Madagascar because we import alot of vanilla and export fuck all to Madagascar. But Madagascar still has trade barriers up that would prevent the effort happening in the first place. Maybe some hog farmer would like to sell country hams to Madagascar. He can't. Because of the trade barriers. That don't occur in reverse. The complaints about the tariff reciprocity are "Bird in the Bush" arguments. The USA has a trade imbalance because its not exporting to these countries. But it Can't export in the first place, so no private company will do so. Self fulfilling and defeating prophecy.

The only way Ford could sell well in Japan is if we got rid of retarded Obama era EPA guidelines and made cool muscle cars. (The Japanese have really gay laws on cars though, their street racing scene is fucking dying because of it.)

 

[mindlessobserver]

The system they themselves imposed

Sure. "They" imposed.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

Maybe the real economic collapse was the friends we made along the way.

i was fianlly called retarded on this site by a retarded burger

so i feel much closer to you all now,

atleast one good things come from this.

 

[linchan]

If the US is not going to release the tariffs on Isreal, what country is America's true greatest ally that actually deserves no tariffs?