The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

You're right there isn't much left to protect, but one of the reasons we lack a lot of domestic production is BECAUSE the megacorps can outsource labor globally to the lowest bidder, while up-and-coming competitors cannot. Competitors die in the cradle, or get bought out, and that's if anyone bothers to try. I don't view this so much as protecting existing domestic, as creating that exact competition you think we need (and I'm inclined to agree we need it). This does attack the megacorps in a roundabout way, which is why the market started shitting itself. Wiping out a few trillion in "value" in a few days is no small feat

But in the long run it won't matter. We need to use the sherman anti trust act to do what it was designed to do. It use to be that you could rely on the Democrats to use it or at least implement Keynesian economics (aka priming the pump). However since Obama and probably carter or Clinton they have forgon what made them attractive in the first place (focusing on the workers and not the corporations/industry) instead chasing ghosts and purity spiralling with DEI, Palestine and BLM.


Also tarrifs are designed to protect domestic industry, in short when you make a tarrif you are artificially making foreign products more expensive thus forcing the consumer to look domestic first before they look international. This works when your market has it's own internal competition but it doesn't make sense in this broad manner.


For example (here's a hypothetical based in truth) most consumer washing machines are made in China/over seas. Only two brands are made in America, both owned by the same company (mega-wash). If a washing machine made over seas suddenly costs more than one made domestically (due to tarrifs) the consumer will buy domestic. That's good, however because of a lack of domestic competition, the only company which makes money is mega-wash.


What Trump should do is offer grants to Americans who want to make their own washing machine companies so they can sell their products at a competitive price point to compete with mega-wash. However, many Republicans think that the fed shouldn't be assisting anyone so mega-wash faces zero domestic competition. The Democrats use to be the party who would push for an agency to give those grants, but the modern Democratic party has decided that john from Iowa shouldn't get any money instead it should go to some tranny who doesn't even know how to wash anything.


In the end, we are completely and utterly fucked as consumers.

 

[zzzten]

we still have guns we still have the reserve currency, we still have the freedom to call you a nigger faggot kike come get us faggot

I'd like to see your guns try to kill the ideas invading your country

 

[Fascist Kirk]

I'd like to see your guns try to kill the ideas invading your country

pull up

 

[Fae Supremacist]

"Reciprocal"

 

[SomeGuy1111]

He realizes we need to have the infrastructure, and the properly trained individuals to run the factories, to manufacture stuff locally, right?

You literally can't just pull that out of your ass.

The corpo cocksuckers spent decades hallowing out American manufacturing. It will take much more than happy thoughts and pixie dust to get things up and running here in the US again.

Tariffs were always going to be a necessary first step in bringing infrastructure back to the US. There is no alternative when you're competing against what is borderline slave labor. And by the time that slave labor becomes more expensive the lack of skilled Americans problem will be even worse. So our options are endure short term pain now to hopefully build a better future or continue the same slow decline we've been on for the past 40+ years

 

[There She Glows]

I pray for your safety. It’s about to go hot

How are you parasocial enough to wring your hands and pray over nulls safety but not parasocial enough to know that he moved back to the states

 

[Lach]

Trump's tariffs come in, then I got the call that I'm hired for the job I applied and interviewed for three weeks ago. Thanks Donny

 

[Greasy Goblin]

But in the long run it won't matter. We need to use the sherman anti trust act to do what it was designed to do. It use to be that you could rely on the Democrats to use it or at least implement Keynesian economics (aka priming the pump). However since Obama and probably carter they have forgon what made them attractive in the first place (focusing on the workers and not the corporations/industry) instead chasing ghosts and purity spiralling with DEI, Palestine and BLM.

I think that's fair. Yes, it alone won't solve everything in the long run, but in an ideal world, we'd get both. And we just might.

 

[Breadbassket]

But in the long run it won't matter. We need to use the sherman anti trust act to do what it was designed to do. It use to be that you could rely on the Democrats to use it or at least implement Keynesian economics (aka priming the pump). However since Obama and probably carter they have forgon what made them attractive in the first place (focusing on the workers and not the corporations/industry) instead chasing ghosts and purity spiralling with DEI, Palestine and BLM.

The Democrats started abandoning the whole focus "on the worker"-type policies back when Clinton implemented NAFTA, repealed the Glass-Steagall legislaton and let China get into the World Trade Organization. America lost 90,000 factories between 1997 and 2020 due to moves like that.

 

[Blacklight]

When the hellis my income tax going away Trump?

 

[Dan Abrams]

How are you parasocial enough to wring your hands and pray over nulls safety but not parasocial enough to know that he moved back to the states

I’m proud of the kid, he’s a go getter. Reminds me of myself when I was his age.

 

[DogZero]

In a trade war between the US and China, the US will get hit hard first via stuff like stock losses in the short term, but long term China will get hit way harder and come out worse comparatively.

For Americans, plastic luxuries and electronics will get more expensive, for china entire segments of their economy will no longer have consistent reliable consumers. Furthermore the things they do import, food (from the US) and oil will get more expensive. Americans just need to accept shitty electronics are gonna go back to being actual luxury prices like before 2000, but for China the damage will be in staple industries. This is during a time when they have a youth unemployment issue, and a massive male to female gender imbalance.

Every economic policy is a trade off, its a zero sum game. Americans who are equity rich will get hit hard by this in the short term, but the half of Americans who don't hold any stock and have a negative net worth they will likely only benefit in the medium term. We have an effective 21% unemployment rate, the labor is there for an explosion in wage jobs. Personally I see this policy as a canary in the coal mine of a much larger political shift as gen z and millenials become the political majority. This tariff policy essentially burns boomer equity to provide opportunities for those still young enough to work a wage job. I think policies like this, burning boomer equity for zoomer opportunity will be the defining trend in policy the next decade. You will see it in reform to dismantle zoning and building regulations to crater house prices and therefore value, likely abolishment of Social security and especially demographics as the worker to retiree ratio gets worse. Most of them will seem unrelated, but like I said, policy is a zero sum game. See what class benefits and who pays for it. I think these tariffs are perhaps the first big policy in this coming trend. I think the coming primary political cleavage will be generational more than anything else, so make sure to look out for your parents. Even if many of these policies are long overdue, don't forget the fourth commandment.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Well I feel like an idiot for investing in January. Maybe the bogleheads were wrong this time around?
Before anyone says it - I don't care about the US. I hate this nation and almost everything it stands for and I hate being born here. I see this place as little more than an economic playground and unironically would want nothing more for the line to go up so I can move out to Europe or Asia or wherever else human civilization is actually in vogue.
We are an embarassment to the planet and none of this proves otherwise

Have you tried being White?

 

[Dan Abrams]

Well I feel like an idiot for investing in January. Maybe the bogleheads were wrong this time around?
Before anyone says it - I don't care about the US. I hate this nation and almost everything it stands for and I hate being born here. I see this place as little more than an economic playground and unironically would want nothing more for the line to go up so I can move out to Europe or Asia or wherever else human civilization is actually in vogue.
We are an embarassment to the planet and none of this proves otherwise

Move back to Africa or something then you nigger dumb fuck

 

[#1 Chief Queef]

Robotics arent nearly as advanced/adavcing as fast as people think. If this is true then where the fuck are those AI Robot dogs I was promised a decade ago by Boston Dynamics? Have you ever seen one of those things in real life? I havent.

Do you think that a robot dog dealing with dynamic environments is the same thing as a drill on a hydraulic arm? There's a reason one has been around for decades now, and the other is emerging technology. You don't need androids to automate a large part of industrial production.

 

[merrybrandybuck]

If you honestly believe that the USA, at the Apex of it's power having just humbled the USSR agreed to enter an agreement with an organization it had a direct hand in forming and didn't write the rules to benefit the USA you're an idiot.

Redditors really need to stop treating entire nations like they're a character in a book. What the Reaganite elite saw as beneficial to themselves(and it was to a degree) has clearly not benefitted the rest of the country. The squeeze as much cash as you can from any given situation and think about the consequences later thing isn't civilizationally sustainable.

 

[FootballBuff]

I'd like to see your guns try to kill the ideas invading your country

Guns dont kill ideas, freedom of speech does.


In other words we're royally fucked.

 

[zzzten]

Guns dont kill ideas, freedom of speech does.


In other words we're royally fucked.

freedom of speech. unless you say something bad about the government. that makes you a terrorist

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

It seems like everyone is playing chicken with the economy and trying to avoid getting hit first. Talking about this as it happens, and thinking you know the outcome of what will happen is a little bit retarded, as I don't think anyone know what will happen, and all sides are just hoping they know what will happen. It could be good, it could be bad.

Either way, buckle up, buckeroos, because a recession is well overdue and this one won't be pretty. I won't sperg in this thread but this recession will be what SARS 2 (COVID) was compared to SARS 1.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

I think that's fair. Yes, it alone won't solve everything in the long run, but in an ideal world, we'd get both. And we just might.

Hopefully but I don't trust Elon and the other people surrounding Trump. They are nothing more than industrialists who seek to make themselves richer without giving back (seriously when has elon funded a library or a school or even a scholarship).


If Trump had old school dems (talking economy here) helping him out we would be on a shinning path, but notice how elon doesn't like tarrifs anymore? He doesn't give a fuck about anything but his bottom line. Furthermore, any agency which could help has been rendered useless by DOGE. Trump and Elon have use a sledge hammer where they should have use a scalpel. The government isn't a company, your goal should never be short term profit, it should be long term health.