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I'm a zoomer and I don't get it. I also remember Windows XP in its prime. Maybe these two are connected.
Fellow 1999 Zoomer here; yeah there is a world of difference between Zoomers born before and after 2000 in how they behave and present themselves to others. I'm similar to you in that my first OS was Windows XP on my father's computer, which I slowly but surely took over because he rarely used it. I remember Liveleak as well.
 
A haas cnc mill is generally under $100k so some of you all will buy gmc trucks that cost more, and you don’t NEED the robot arm to do manufacturing, but it’s available as a smaller SCALE version of a big ass robot arm, is what the guy was trying to say.

You’re just throwing shit at the wall to what, say America can’t make things? Wait till service exports crash and see where you are
Notice I said industrial CNC machines, the kind used for mass-production. We're talking about mass production, not a specialty shop with two machines that can maybe do three custom parts a week for $15k apiece. Those exist and that's already a healthy business. Plants that can produce 10,000 of those parts a week - like is done in Asia and we're dreaming about bringing to the US - would easily be billion-dollar plants in the US and *might* directly employ 500 people.
 
Fellow 1999 Zoomer here; yeah there is a world of difference between Zoomers born before and after 2000 in how they behave and present themselves to others. I'm similar to you in that my first OS was Windows XP on my father's computer, which I slowly but surely took over because he rarely used it. I remember Liveleak as well.
Those old computers taught patience. No, everything wasn't laid out in a ergonomic manner. There is no user manual. Youtube doesn't exist yet to tell you how to troubleshoot. It is an arcane magic box. Figure it the fuck out.
 
The immigrants thing gets skewed because the few African immigrants we get that aren’t refugees tend to be more competent than the rest of the continent. The country of origin matters a lot too.
I have two anecdotes. The first is from when I was in college, and met a black dude from DRC. Christian, sweet, gentle, studying to be a doctor so he can go back to DRC and help make the lives of his people better. Very intelligent, multilingual, hard working, just all around a great human being.

The second is from when I worked at a pork processing plant. First day I'm there doing onboarding, we are given all of our gear. For most people that just means a pair of rubber boots and a hard hat. Everyone got their boots and hard hat given to them, and we needed to move to another room temporarily. When we got back into the first room where we left our gear, some African dude grabbed someone else's boots. They were just his now. His buddy next to him knew it was not OK, I mean for fucks sake the dumb nigger was given HIS OWN BOOTS, so his (also African) buddy tried to tell him to put them back, grab his own, and he just made "psst" noises to shut his buddy up. Later on, someone applying for a job came back and said "Lojack says my phone is in this room. I just need it for my contacts, please give me back my phone." Silence. Silence. Silence. "OK well I guess I'll file a police report then, but please leave my phone here if you did steal it." They leave, nobody left the phone there.

As much as I'd love anecdote one to be the typical interaction with Africans, anecdote two is much, much more likely.
 
Notice I said industrial CNC machines, the kind used for mass-production. We're talking about mass production, not a specialty shop with two machines that can maybe do three custom parts a week for $15k apiece. Those exist and that's already a healthy business. Plants that can produce 10,000 of those parts a week - like is done in Asia and we're dreaming about bringing to the US - would easily be billion-dollar plants in the US and *might* directly employ 500 people.
Mass production refers to volume. You can mass produce with haas cnc mills. Buy more as you onboard people to run them. The type of machine you’re talking about costing a million dollars is more like the DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED equipment MAG makes, which is for speciality shit like ship building. We can’t really outsource naval shipbuilding, and that’s an entirely different issue

The main wealth transfer shit in exchange for performing value added processes within our economy is going to look like this
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AHHH FUCK! DONT THOSE RETARDS KNOW WE OUTSOURCED MOST OF INTEL!? WE CANT BUILD THE CHIPS WE INVENTED!!
 
Mass production refers to volume. You can mass produce with haas cnc mills. Buy more as you onboard people to run them. The type of machine you’re talking about costing a million dollars is more like the DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED equipment MAG makes, which is for speciality shit like ship building. We can’t really outsource naval shipbuilding, and that’s an entirely different issue

The main wealth transfer shit in exchange for performing value added processes within our economy is going to look like this
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AHHH FUCK! DONT THOSE RETARDS KNOW WE OUTSOURCED MOST OF INTEL!? WE CANT BUILD THE CHIPS WE INVENTED!!
OK you really got me there. $25 billion for a plant it is then. My mistake.
 
In summary, manufacturing coming back to America if done correctly won't be a return to sweatshop labor and low IQ jobs. It will bring advances in industry and offer people who are willing to learn a lot of opportunities. Arguably with the same amount of down time that people in offices have thanks to automation.
As someone who has ins with Toy Manufacturing including those who are contracted by Sideshow Collectibles, Hot Toys etc. I can confirm as well that, injection molding has come a long way.

Most of the Elegoo Mars and 4K resin printers are what toy companies use now for rapid prototyping, topology of assets in models are then sent to CAD based plates. Most of these are aluminum (very common metal in states) and are carved to the decimeter just as the treasury does with Coin Minting. Then your typical ABS and other plastics are actually made here as well, but they are expensive because we haven't had a large enough volume of yield to reduce costs (yet).

Typically as it stands as a Garage Kit maker, you can get a $1200 Plastic Injection Machine with dial temperature radius and hopper, Pellets of ABS and the like for $20 per 10 oz and for $500-600 get temperature yield molding material that won't melt from 500 degrees plus.

That's what I've seen in custom Garage kit world, you open up 20 toy factories. See how much plastic goes down from ABS manufacturers when they have thousands of pounds on order.
 
OK you really got me there. $25 billion for a plant it is then. My mistake.
Why are you such an insistent doomer about it? Like I’ve mentioned before, declining manufacturing hurts wage growth across the entire economy, which you can see by comparing that in 1980 the median household income was $20k and the median home price was $40k. Now the median household income is $80k and the median home price is $400k, so home price outgrew wages 2.5 times

Nobody is going to draft YOU to work in a factory, so how does this effect you so personally?
 
A big issue is what incentives are there to bring manufacturing back, over the companies just doing nothing and waiting out Trump's presidency? As nice as it would be that they'd just do it, reality is a lot of these places won't as the short term costs outweigh the long term ones.
Only the largest and most powerful of corpos ie Apple actually have the ability to wait out Blumpf. 99% of them can't survive four years of stagnant growth and gimped profits.

They'll fold and have to make a deal and Trump will insist the terms favor himself/America.
 
A big issue is what incentives are there to bring manufacturing back, over the companies just doing nothing and waiting out Trump's presidency? As nice as it would be that they'd just do it, reality is a lot of these places won't as the short term costs outweigh the long term ones.
They'll go broke. There's also a not insignificant chance Vance gets in in 4 years and continues the Tarrifs.
 
A big issue is what incentives are there to bring manufacturing back, over the companies just doing nothing and waiting out Trump's presidency? As nice as it would be that they'd just do it, reality is a lot of these places won't as the short term costs outweigh the long term ones.
The ones that can wait out Trump are in the minority, many companies can't do that. They're also betting on tariffs not lasting after Trump which can backfire.
 
The ones that can wait out Trump are in the minority, many companies can't do that. They're also betting on tariffs not lasting after Trump which can backfire.
Even the ones that can don't WANT to. It's a pretty shitty thing to tell your shareholders that profits are down because you won't build one fucking factory to get around these pesky tarrifs
 
Even the ones that can don't WANT to. It's a pretty shitty thing to tell your shareholders that profits are down because you won't build one fucking factory to get around these pesky tarrifs
Shareholders are the least likely to sign off on building a 2 billion dollar manufacturing plant if the chances are in 3 year or so, the cost of outsourcing them goes back down. They know labor is the largest expense and American labor is some of the most expensive.
 
Even the ones that can don't WANT to. It's a pretty shitty thing to tell your shareholders that profits are down because you won't build one fucking factory to get around these pesky tarrifs
To be fair if it is better for shareholders for them to not build factories, then by law they are compelled to do that. A big win would be repealing the precedent set by Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. let a company invest in itself over having to pay shareholders, yeah it'd affect me as well as I benefit from them putting shareholders first but I'd rather the company I invested in still exist beyond my lifetime.
 
A big issue is what incentives are there to bring manufacturing back, over the companies just doing nothing and waiting out Trump's presidency? As nice as it would be that they'd just do it, reality is a lot of these places won't as the short term costs outweigh the long term ones.
They don't even have to wait for a new President. Three days seems to be enough for the current one to flip. The necessary investments are not going to be made without ironclad commitments to stick to it.

The uncomfortable truth is that manufacturing and industry isn't coming back to the US until it has to. As in a Europe/Asia war that either cuts off that supply or destroys it permanently along with the working-age people in those places while leaving mainland US intact. That's how it happened during WWII and gave us the next 50 years of Pax Americana and that's the only way it comes back now. It's not far-fetched either and goes a long way to explain all the meddling we've done over there since the fall of the USSR.
 
Many already have. Apple has, TMSC, Honda, need I go on?
I don't understand why people keep bringing up TSMC in the context of Tariffs enabling US manufacturing. All this shit you mentioned was long before Tariffs became a shiny new toy and was the result of other government backed industrialization efforts.
 
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