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Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
I check my bank statements at least once a month for fraud. I bet most Zoomers don't even know what a birth certificate is.
 
The concept of human rights is harmful nonsense.
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
 
It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
To be somewhat fair in the historical context, the late 19th and early 20th centuries were a political powderkeg and there were countless movements which saw humanity moving in a progression, and that part of that necessary progression meant the development of governments and societies to make people better. Both left- and right-wing revolutionaries and intellectuals pushed this kind of stuff in the United States and elsewhere.

It was Friedrich Nietzsche who, whatever else he wrote and whatever else people think of him, predicted governments of the 20th century doing this shit and killing a lot of people in the process. The goal of conservatism in the 21st century ought to be doing away with the idea that government can be used to make people or society better. It is a tool - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
I've been shocked by how many people have said they don't have a copy of their birth certificate. My mother pounded it into my head as soon as possible to always keep it on hand (edit: by which she meant in a filing cabinet where you live, not on your person obviously) or in a safety deposit box. I also have multiple copies of my marriage license, my SSN card (and have it memorized), and always keep my passport up to date even if I don't intend to travel.
Not to mention reviewing my card and bank statements once a month to verify no unusual transactions, and always file my taxes on time.
I think people are genuinely fucking retarded and don't bother with most of these things even if they're well into their 30s.

Stephen Miller was already chudding out in newspapers at age 16.
This is exactly who I want working in the government.
 
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The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
Leftists when non communist countries commit human rights atrocities:😡🤬
Leftists when communist countries commit human rights atrocities : 🤫😴
 
Source: oranj man bad

Watching Amazon get flooded with Lovecraftian brand names (like uxcell, vmaisi, rosyclo, WIHOLE, Eumwod) because of their preferential treatment of an incorporated business over anything else has been nuts. I saw some slippers from a brand called "Cumswarm" and now I can't NOT think about doing degenerate shit to my girlfriend's shoes.
Cum swarm in a great band name tbh
 
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
The idea that you have a "right" to things that are not intrinsic to your body was a truly perverse inversion of the intent, but is ultimately the end state of Liberal political theory. That's why everyone now has the right to food, too health care, to housing, to this, too that.

As miserable as Dickensian "if you don't work you starve" mentality can be for some people, our effort to mitigate that misery has fallen into a never ending pit rife with free rider issues. Its why urban youths are swiping EBT cards with a thousand dollars on them while wearing designer clothing. How entire classes of people are now actively discouraged from working because if they did they would lose the benefits, get less money, and have to work instead of sit on their ass all day.

This system is not sustainable though. You can't have a society that produces nothing and just pays people to sit around and do nothing. It breaks down inevitably. There is no virtue in it. No vitality. No urge to do MORE. And before long you have people with no appreciation for the things around them because they never had to pay for any it. And if everything around you has no value to you, why NOT burn it down just too see it burn?
 
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So this is scheduled for later today (currently scheduled for 5:45 Eastern; recorded history teaches that it'll get rescheduled at least a couple of times before he shows up, assuming he doesn't just decide to go to bed early and ditch them). Former President Silver Alert making his first speech since former-ing. This might be fun to watch, now that he doesn't have his finger on the button anymore. I wonder if Jill will be just openly propping him up from behind.
 
about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?
 
How exactly has the trade stuff been a total disaster with irreparable damage? It's been less than a month. Please explain. I'm not being sarcastic and would like someone on the other side of Trump to explain how the economy is now in the shitter, because the numbers don't reflect this argument.
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
 
about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson

They have her as Michelle Robinson Obama on his Presidential Library site: https://www.obamalibrary.gov/obamas/first-lady-michelle-obama
 
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
While those sound bad, as Johnny Bravo phrased it, they don’t seem irreparable. And as for the United States image, it doesn’t matter what we do in some people’s eyes lol. We will always be the big bad oppressors simply because we have the bigger dick.

We shouldn’t flail it around, no, but showing it off as a bulge is fine

Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
yup that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I may have read it somewhere many years ago but I can’t recall.
 
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
First, I appreciate you actually responding and laying out your thoughts.

The Canadian and European countries counter-tariffing US goods is a by-product, yes, but I don't think it's going to last. It's a gut-level, lizard-brained response by foreign leaders who demonstrate to the world that they have no other policies to deal with the US than "oppose Trump at all costs." The US can outlast these tariffs while Europeans cannot, since the US is the largest consumer market in the world.

Canadians and Europeans not visiting the US and not buying US goods after spending decades trashing the US should come as no surprise to anyone. Trump is simply making these people put their money where their mouths are, and betting that they'll blink first. Again: they need us more than we need them, and this is a damn good way of forcing the Europeans to recognize that.

Europeans et al can sit in Davos eating caviar and sipping champagne and trashing the US all they like, but it's meaningless when their economies tank because they are so intertwined with US companies that they boycotted mineral imports and can't make the lithium ion batteries necessary for their advanced economies. When they import refugees who burn down their cities, cannot prevent their own ships from getting taken by pirates, and so on, they will have no choice but to eat their words or get elected out.
 
While those sound bad, as Johnny Bravo phrased it, they don’t seem irreparable. And as for the United States image, it doesn’t matter what we do in some people’s eyes lol. We will always be the big bad oppressors simply because we have the bigger dick.

We shouldn’t flail it around, no, but showing it off as a bulge is fine
This isn’t part of my original comment, but I also think tariffs work in both directions. If the idea is that by setting these high barriers we build up our own industries, then wouldn’t it also work the other way: that because we make trade with the U.S. more difficult, that the affected countries also build their own industries in response? This is maybe what I am most concerned about long term. Maybe Europeans and Canadians will realize that they’re better off relying on their own companies and then we lose our competitive edge. I was just reading about Europeans working to limit US arms manufacturers access to European markets. Long term, I don’t think this is helpful to us if European arms manufacturers become more competitive and push out U.S. companies in the world market.

My understanding is that Europe is kind of behind wrt the tech sector. I’d like to keep it that way. This idea about changing the way manufacturing is ordered, i think can hurt our dominance. I don’t have as clear an idea why, but that’s how I feel. Like we would be letting Europe and these other countries build their own competing sectors as a result of these bilateral trade barriers.
 
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
Don't agree entirely, the Constitution and BOR list certain entitlements that the Founders hold to be self-evident and inviolable, thus implicitly "human rights".
The issue is that they never included anything that required the labor of others. "Human rights" are now held to include things like food, water, shelter, medical care, doodoo corpse-skin man-gina surgery, etc, which require the labor or property of others. While someone should never be prevented from obtaining food, water, shelter, and life-saving (lel or "life-affirming") medical care, they are not and should never be entitled to your belongings or labor. Creating this entitlement may help a few more people get food/water/shelter etc, but it essentially just shortens the path of least resistance and creates a gigantic burden on those few (read: white) people who don't continuously seek the path of least resistance in life. Essentially legally robbing them en masse.
 
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
Don't agree entirely, the Constitution and BOR list certain entitlements that the Founders hold to be self-evident and inviolable, thus implicitly "human rights".
The issue is that they never included anything that required the labor of others. "Human rights" are now held to include things like food, water, shelter, medical care, doodoo corpse-skin man-gina surgery, etc, which require the labor or property of others. While someone should never be prevented from obtaining food, water, shelter, and life-saving (lel or "life-affirming") medical care, they are not and should never be entitled to your belongings or labor. Creating this entitlement may help a few more people get food/water/shelter etc, but it essentially just shortens the path of least resistance and creates a gigantic burden on those few (read: white) people who don't continuously seek the path of least resistance in life. Essentially legally robbing them en masse.
This isn’t part of my original comment, but I also think tariffs work in both directions. If the idea is that by setting these high barriers we build up our own industries, then wouldn’t it also work the other way: that because we make trade with the U.S. more difficult, that the affected countries also build their own industries in response? This is maybe what I am most concerned about long term. Maybe Europeans and Canadians will realize that they’re better off relying on their own companies and then we lose our competitive edge. I was just reading about Europeans working to limit US arms manufacturers access to European markets. Long term, I don’t think this is helpful to us if European arms manufacturers become more competitive and push out U.S. companies in the world market.

My understanding is that Europe is kind of behind wrt the tech sector. I’d like to keep it that way. This idea about changing the way manufacturing is ordered, i think can hurt our dominance. I don’t have as clear an idea why, but that’s how I feel. Like we would be letting Europe and these other countries build their own competing sectors as a result of these bilateral trade barriers.
Their export industries rely largely on US demand. It doesn't work well in reverse since they already have their own tariffs, a lack of supply drives investment, a lack of demand drives abandonment.
 
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