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ProtoAlpha said:
Advent yes (mostly thanks to Bijou) but Justice not so much.

3 out of 4 members are on the 4k-5k range, the only member with a high viewership is Gigi.
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Pulling up the year to date info for the first 3 months of 2025 the only member of Justice in the "4-5k range" for average CCV is Liz, with the top average CCV belonging to Cecilia at 9.12k Only below Bijou for advent members.

It is worth noting as well that for quite some time Bijou's average CCV, while healthy, has been inflated by near constant botting to the point that she's even addressed it on stream telling her viewers to not worry and that she's made sure behind the scenes that she isn't at risk of getting in trouble from whatever outside source has been botting her streams.

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Burnt Fish said:
Pulling up the year to date info for the first 3 months of 2025 the only member of Justice in the "4-5k range" for average CCV is Liz, with the top average CCV belonging to Cecilia at 9.12k Only below Bijou for advent members.

It is worth noting as well that for quite some time Bijou's average CCV, while healthy, has been inflated by near constant botting to the point that she's even addressed it on stream telling her viewers to not worry and that she's made sure behind the scenes that she isn't at risk of getting in trouble from whatever outside source has been botting her streams.
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I had a theory about the bots and how they worked.

The first streamers to be botted were NijiEN, I think that's all but clear by now. The botfarm had the order to bot certain Niji streamers into having good numbers. At the same time, the botfarm was programmed to "mark" those streamers with a 10k stream (or more), so the botfarm would continue botting those in the future instead of searching for a streamer-to-streamer basis. What happened then was, either because of faulty coding or an accident, the botfarm also "marked" Holo streamers, even flesh streamers like Valkyrae, even Indies like Peo.

Bijou, IRyS, Kronii, Calli, Kiara (although these were hatbots, perhaps not related to the massive botting spree), Gigi, even Jurard, what do they have in common? They all had a 10k stream in the past month, and they were all botted, sometimes constantly (Bijou, IRyS and Gigi). The exceptions are Shiori, Nerissa and FWMC, I don't know why they haven't had any botting incidents.
 
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vestars20 said:
Gura and Mumei are just leaving what looks like free money on the table as the work appears minuscule
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Work that is a very small amount can actually be very complicated and stressful.

And Gura has the wonderful anxiety to illness feedback loop. And well she is the face of an industry.

Mumei has throat isdues forever.

If they thought they could still stay they would.

Hololive and it’s members have all said the talents can just coast if they want.

They certainly aren’t getting rid of Gura unless she honestly wants out.

It’s really is as simple as the Talents can’t do this any more.
Sunflower Samurai said:
To be fair ironmouse's alleged condition doesnt actually seem to interfere with her streaming as much as before now
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She’s confidant enough not to end stream whenever she needs injections. She just does it live. Also has the money to cover things now or help get better where she can.

And Ironmouse has a ridiculously strong support network. I’m not sure Gura does.
 
Airless said:
After 4 years the Omega = AO rrat has finally been confirmed as true
Kiara also reiterated what Callie said about how things should be settling down now
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Airless said:
Ina used to have a mod that was pretty active in her chat called AO-chan. It was theorized that he and Omega were the same person based solely off the fact that AO are the initials for Alpha Omega. The schizo leap in logic turned out to be accurate somehow, as confirmed by Kiara in her most recent stream
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Timestamp/ clip or it didn't happen.
 
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ProtoAlpha said:
Advent yes (mostly thanks to Bijou) but Justice not so much.

3 out of 4 members are on the 4k-5k range, the only member with a high viewership is Gigi.
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True, collectively its still enough to justify operating the EN Branch, being publicly traded really limits Yagoo because shareholders can be absolutely cancerous with demands, also its going to be funny if Gigi somehow becomes the new Face of EN after Gura
 
I took alot of shots from jack daniels in making this post so don't judge me to harshly once I wake up and click my notifications later.

Mumei, Ame, Fauna and now Gura quitting makes me wonder how much of this shit is politically related or not. We basically know that Vshojo has literal jews as CEOs running companies from California that invested in the Vshojo. Only thing we know is that BlackRock(also ran by jews) invested in the company to go public and have their HQ or location in California. What pisses me off is that Dooby, Numi, Mumei and eventually Senzawa wont give the exact fucking reasons why they are quitting but they make it seem like the other Hololive members are fine with the direction Hololive is heading.

1. Dont think its financial cuts, since I am pretty sure there are other EN members that are bigger than Doobi, Mumei and Nimi like Mori state's she doesn't plan on quitting.
2. Possible reasons why Mumei, Gura, Dooby and Nimi wont state the reasons they quit is because of some contract agreements or it might be something that is politically related(their HQ is moving to the farthest left state in the US afterall) which they have some politically motivated requirements they need to do later in the future which is why they wont state their reasons because they want people of all different political views to be interested in them.
3. Silvervale, Vei and Nyanners(Nyanners and Vei were as huge as ironmouse in the past) quitting Vshojo at the same time might be something exactly similar and related to whatever is going on with Ame, Gura, Fauna and Mumei with the reason being contracts from Californian Jew investors.

So I don't think its something that is financially related(Mori is the 2nd biggest EN member and she doesnt want to quit as she stated on stream), dont think its mistreatment from management that is similar related to nijisanji. So if anyone has good theories post them on what you think it is?
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The main thing about streaming being 'free money' is that since you generally do it from home, you also -can't get away from your job-. Especially since it's clear all the girls (and guys) are expected to be on discord 24/7.
 
Undercover Commissioner said:
Timestamp/ clip or it didn't happen.
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If you look at most holo streams there's a dude that always posts pretty comprehensive timestamps in the comments by the name of Fireblaze, like genuinely autistic levels of timestamping down to every individual tangent and story.

In the conversation she talks about the 3 OG EN managers. Enma, Genma, and Jchad and confirms when someone comments saying that Enma (Ina's manager back then) was Omega she replies "is that confirmed information? you might be on to something....." pretty heavily implying that it was him. alternatively though she then goes on to say "well neither Omega or Enma are around anymore" purposely seperating the two so maybe her little "you might be onto something" could just be sarcastic but who the fuck knows, it wouldn't be surprising for Kiara to confirm it as she tends to have the loosest lips among EN as far as just saying "ah fuck it" and spilling out things she isn't sure she's supposed to or not.

Now if we know AO was Ina's manager or that AO was Enma, (I actually don't know if those things are explicitly spelled out or confirmed anywhere) then you can connect the dots AO is Enma, Enma is Omega, therefore AO is Omega.

It's interesting but I don't know what the significance of this is really supposed to be outside of peoples schizo theories about Omega being the evil mastermind trying to destroy EN by making the girls interact with boys. to me at least Omega just always seemd stupid and chunni, but overall pointless and harmless.

blackjack101 said:
Mumei, Ame, Fauna and now Gura quitting makes me wonder how much of this shit is politically related or not.
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right out of the gate you already lost me and I just want to call you a retard.
 
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blackjack101 said:
So if anyone has good theories post them on what you think it is
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i agree with you with Number 2, BlackRock is an absolute cancer, being able to publicly put money into a company and influence decisions is a big problem though its worse in some companies then others, autistically going to bring up WWE here, but their owners (TKO) doesn't seem to be nearly as beholden to that shit as say a Hololive is, though I imagine Jews are in a tactical retreat at the moment businesswise due to people noticing
 
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Caddo Cobgang said:
True, collectively its still enough to justify operating the EN Branch, being publicly traded really limits Yagoo because shareholders can be absolutely cancerous with demands, also its going to be funny if Gigi somehow becomes the new Face of EN after Gura
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All of the so far public investor Q&As have been filled with Yagoo telling the more retarded ideas off, Yagoo and someone else there still owns the majority, the shareholders can only bitch and moan still and probably arent a big factor in most of the issues.

Its just an easy boogeyman that most of twitter is going off on because they're all mostly ignorant about the state of the company or its talent grievances/issues

blackjack101 said:
Only thing we know is that BlackRock(also ran by jews) invested in the company to go public and have their HQ or location in California. What pisses me off is that Dooby, Numi, Mumei and eventually Senzawa wont give the exact fucking reasons why they are quitting but they make it seem like the other Hololive members are fine with the direction Hololive is heading.
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You're retarded
But i cant even tell if you're saying that Vshojo got jew investors that made them have an HQ in california or if Holo did

Holo didnt even move an HQ to california, they opened a logistical office there for facilitating brand collabs
Blackrock's Holo stake was at like 4% last time people checked iirc. And Blackrock has fingers in every major media pie. Not enough for any major decisions.
They also went public for Japanese investors, again, Blackrock had or has a miniscule stake on it and IF investors were an issue, why would American ones be the issue when their funding is Japanese first?

You should really do basic reps, you can literally still google the investor QAs and leddit posts pop up with them, same with the info about their blackrock stake
 
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blackjack101 said:
Only thing we know is that BlackRock(also ran by jews) invested in the company to go public and have their HQ or location in California.
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Blackrock owns less than 0.6% of Cover's stock, and the office Cover opened in California was for facilitating licensing and collaboration deals with U.S. companies. The talent managers and execs are all still in Japan.
 
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blackjack101 said:
So if anyone has good theories post them on what you think it is?
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I'm comfortable blaming the Jews for almost everything, but in this case it looks like a more Japanese error.
The one thing we can see that looks like a change or "new direction" from Hololive is increasing emphasis on sponsored streams, "brand deals," and mascot work. Fauna specifically lamented that she couldn't go on being an idol like she wanted, which to her means learning to sing and dance and showing you her progress. She wanted to stream games and do that, not be a pitchman for Capcom or a picture on a vegan ramen cup. Gura and Mumei and IRyS (more than others) have lamented their music projects being thwarted, rejected, screwed up, etc. All the girls who complain complain about "perms," i.e., management failing to facilitate their everyday work, the show they put on for us every day.
In going public, Hololive became obligated to "grow." Its tech-company idea of growth is to abandon its unique niche (cartoon girl performing arts school) for a theoretically bigger one (IP hoard for rent). Some of the girls who joined Hololive to join Hololive are having their dream job yanked from under them.
We don't know this. It fits what we do know.
 
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