2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[EyeGuy]

What are your thoughts on this story of a Gaza Photojournalist and 9 of her family being killed in a strike? - https://deadline.com/2025/04/gaza-photojournalist-cannes-doc-killed-israeli-strike-1236370699/

Reddit discussion on it - https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1k1lqnf/fatima_hassouna_and_9_of_her_family_members/

Excellent news. The more of those animals dead, the better.

 

[foreman 89]

Excellent news. The more of those animals dead, the better.

What did she or her family do?

 

[John Andrews Stan]

What are your thoughts

Fatima worked with Hamas in Gaza, as no “journalists” are allowed to operate without showing willingness to do the terrorists’ bidding. Her Facebook is full of posts celebrating October 7th and murder in general. Sounds like all the rest of the death cultists who want Jews wiped off the face of the earth.

If you’re concerned, just know that she posted on FB that she wanted to be killed in a way that made headlines. She got her wish.

Now my question: If I could find this information, why couldn’t you?

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

I was surprised to see how pro-Israel the Farms is. Why do you support Israel?

Cuz I'm Jewish and I realize (especially after visiting) that Israel is the only country in the world where being Jewish doesn't matter. However there's a reason they call America the land of opportunity. So I'm a US patriot first and an Zionist second...that is until they elect some retard who wants me dead.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Cuz

He wasn’t asking in good faith. They never are.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

He wasn’t asking in good faith. They never are.

I am. I'm trying to learn more about the conflict.

My gut tells me to side with Israel, but I'm not sure why. I hold a lot of views that many people would consider antisemitic and I don't like Israel's involvement in America's politics, but I still want Israel to win. Maybe it just becasue I see Muslims as worse, but that's not all of it. I think it's because I see Israel as ballsy. They went to a strip of desert surrounded by people that hate them. People criticize them for that but I kinda like it. Then all these people that hate them went to war with them. The Arabs outnumbered them nearly 2 to 1 and the Jews won a overwhelming victory. People say that the Jews no longer have a claim to the land, but winning that war, in my view, is the best claim you can have. It's almost like a divine mandate. How can the Muslims say God is with them when they got fucked that hard by the Jews?

The problem is these are all irrational feelings, and I would sound insane if I told this to a normal person. I want some rational facts on the situation.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

They went to a strip of desert surrounded by people that hate them.

Jews are indigenous to Israel. It wasn’t colonization and the fact that people deny that Arabs are the colonizers just shows that most people decide what they want to believe and reality doesn’t affect their thinking at all.

There are much better resources for learning about Israel than this thread. You can start here if you like reading. Rudy Rochman has a lot of videos of himself engaging in extremely patient, civil debate (from his side, anyway) with anti-Israel mongs.

 

[YouTube Autist]

Douglas Murray vs. Dave Smith and Joe Rogan on Israel’s response to October 7th. I know Dave Smith has an inflated view of his own expertise (when he’s actually just parroting whatever dipshit Scott Horton says). But it’s absolutely wild to me that he thought he could hold his own against Douglas Murray. Dave is just absolutely delusional.

So much of this three-hour(!!) conversation is just this kind of exchange over and over:

"You shouldn't make a career out of talking to the public about a topic where you're not an expert."
"So I'm not allowed to talk about something unless I'm an expert?"

"America is a bit player in this situation. Iran has much more influence in the region."
"So you're saying America has no influence?"

"If you're going to spend so much of your time talking about a place, you should actually visit it."
"So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on a country I haven't visited?"

They also openly admit to bombing hospitals though which theyd never allow us to do to rid our own problem minorities, they just claim without proof there is hamas tunnels or personnel somewhere

Hospitals can lose their Geneva Conventions protection after being used to commit, "outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy." Also, lol at Israel "never allowing" the US to bomb hospitals. What ability do you think Israel has to veto particular US military maneuvers?

I think it's because I see Israel as ballsy. They went to a strip of desert surrounded by people that hate them. People criticize them for that but I kinda like it. Then all these people that hate them went to war with them. The Arabs outnumbered them nearly 2 to 1 and the Jews won a overwhelming victory. People say that the Jews no longer have a claim to the land, but winning that war, in my view, is the best claim you can have.

"The Jews ... know how to prevail even under the worst conditions (even better than under favorable conditions), by means of virtues that today one would like to mark as vices -- thanks above all to a resolute faith that need not be ashamed before 'modern ideas.'" (Nietzsche)

 

[John Andrews Stan]

So much of this three-hour(!!) conversation is just this kind of exchange over and over

This was by necessity. Rogan now has a firm policy of not having Zionist commentators on his show. He refused to have Murray back on the show for weeks before saying he could come on if Dave was there too. Just absolute cowardice and retardation.

Worse, Rogan had laughingstock comedian Rich Vos on this week. Vos is very pro-Israel but also is not equipped to have an intelligent conversation about it, which Rogan knows. I saw a clip where Rogan is claiming that drone footage and media coverage of Gaza proves something it doesn’t. Yes, the guy who’s spent years railing against dishonest media and propaganda has now been 100% mentally captured by the pro-Hamas lunatics.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jews are indigenous to Israel. It wasn’t colonization and the fact that people deny that Arabs are the colonizers just shows that most people decide what they want to believe and reality doesn’t affect their thinking at all.

There are much better resources for learning about Israel than this thread. You can start here if you like reading. Rudy Rochman has a lot of videos of himself engaging in extremely patient, civil debate (from his side, anyway) with anti-Israel mongs.

Well the thing I read at the Holocaust museum made it sound like they just started covertly shipping people over there. That actually made me like Israel less. Funnily enough I think my view of Israel was at its lowest when right as I left the Holocaust museum.

But none of that matters. The only real claim you can get on a piece of land is the claim you earn through war. Did the Anglo-Saxons have a claim on Brittan when they showed up? No, but they earned it (and then lost it when they forsook the house of Wessex as their true kings).

 

[John Andrews Stan]

they just started covertly shipping people over there

It was always the Jewish homeland. The fact that invaders slaughtered and pillaged didn’t make Jews suddenly alien invaders.

There has never been one day of the last 2000+ years when Jews haven’t prayed three times a day to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. Jews have had a continuous presence in the land all that time. Thank God for people who were brave enough to return in defiance of the invaders.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

It was always the Jewish homeland. The fact that invaders slaughtered and pillaged didn’t make Jews suddenly alien invaders.

There has never been one day of the last 2000+ years when Jews haven’t prayed three times a day to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. Jews have had a continuous presence in the land all that time. Thank God for people who were brave enough to return in defiance of the invaders.

In all honesty there's a pretty massive gap in my knowledge of the history of Israel between Hadrian putting the Bar Kokhba revolt down and then Jews showing up there again after WW2.

I know there were Jews there during the crusades becasue they talk about how the crusaders killed a bunch of Jews when they took Jerusalem.

 

[Marzipan Apple]

In all honesty there's a pretty massive gap in my knowledge of the history of Israel between Hadrian putting the Bar Kokhba revolt down and then Jews showing up there again after WW2.

I know there were Jews there during the crusades becasue they talk about how the crusaders killed a bunch of Jews when they took Jerusalem.

There was an unbroken continuous Jewish presence in Israel even after the Roman conquest. Even when living conditions were rough, Jews tried to maintain some presence in the land to try to "keep the dream alive."

There isn't much history worth learning about between the events of Bar Kochba and WW2. After the Ottomans took Israel, they let it languish as a forgotten backwater province since Muslims don't consider Israel a holy land. Israel and the Jews living there had little to no impact on world history until Israel was established as a sovereign nation after WW2.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Jews showing up there again

As I said to you previously, Jews have maintained a continuous presence in Israel for millennia. The invaders ended large-scale Jewish sovereignty in the land but they did not end the Jewish presence there.

Hadrian renamed Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina and banned Jews from entering the city, Judea was renamed Syria Palaestina to obscure the Jewish origins of the land. Many Jews relocated to the Galilee and the Mishnah (basis of the Talmud; the other element is the Gemara, commentaries on the Mishna) was compiled during this time (~200 CE). That was only possible because there indeed was an active and scholarly Jewish community in the Jews’ homeland occupied by invaders. This is all validated by archeological evidence and historical texts.

 

[MeltyTW]

Hospitals can lose their Geneva Conventions protection after being used to commit, "outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy." Also, lol at Israel "never allowing" the US to bomb hospitals. What ability do you think Israel has to veto particular US military maneuvers?

I mean they do everything in their to move and keep violent browns here while appealing to empathy. Also they constantly say everything is hamas but rarely if ever prove it. They bomb outside aide workers. They've done so even in less contentious times

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

The late Hezbollah terrorist (+ hideous yellow keffiyeh):

Can I say something without everybody getting mad

 

[EyeGuy]

Drone strike near Sidon:

IDF: Earlier today (Friday), the IAF conducted a precise strike in the area of Sidon and eliminated the Hezbollah terrorist Muhammad Jaafar Mannah Asaad Abdallah.

Abdallah was involved in terrorist activities against the State of Israel and was responsible, among other things, for the deployment of Hezbollah’s communication systems throughout Lebanon, specifically in the area south of the Litani River.

The terrorist's actions constitute a blatant violation of the understandings between Israel and Lebanon and poses a threat to the State of Israel and its civilians.

Before:

After:

 

[Surfin Terf]

I was surprised to see how pro-Israel the Farms is. Why do you support Israel?

In 1950, my family and millions of other anti-communist Chinese were forced to flee villages that they’d lived in for thousands of years. The Chinese military who had been fighting the Japanese army to a stalemate since before WWII was left high and dry as the Communists swept in with Soviet supplies.
We were forced into a tiny, jungle island. Millions of refugees turned the undeveloped island of Taiwan (admittedly, Taipei wasn’t a complete shithole) into the most densely populated nation on Earth. And fought off Communist invasions. Meanwhile, the Communists did their absolute best to visit horror after horror on the captive Chinese people and to destroy their culture. Literally, the CCP openly tried to destroy Chinese history and culture which is why Taiwanese museums still have so many more artifacts than PRC ones, we didn’t steal them all, they destroyed them. They caused some of (if not the) greatest mass deaths in the history of the world. And after this, after decades of loyalty to America we get snubbed by Nixon of all people who normalizes relations with the Communists, consequently denying our right to retake our homeland and even our own nationhood (don’t get me wrong, he would have been retarded to not recognize that the Communists were the rulers of China).

Everything that the pro Palestine propaganda says about their own so-called plight applies tenfold to the Republic of China against the so-called People’s Republic.

And yet Taiwan built itself into a major power, economically and militarily. We are one of the most indispensable nations for modern technology. We didn’t receive billions of dollars of humanitarian aid, we did it ourselves. And even with everything the Communists took from us we aren’t itching to start a new war, we don’t wave around keys like we should get to kick out the people who have moved into our villages in the last 75 years. We aren’t whiny victims like the Palestinians and we aren’t bloodthirsty lunatics like the Palestinians and we aren’t losers like the Palestinians.

But when you look at the history of Israel and “Palestine” you realize that they’re even less sympathetic than they might seem at first glance. You realize that the so-called country they “lost” was never a country and was never theirs. They didn’t really care about any of that shit until the Jews came in. They just think they have an Allah-given right to take land that Jews bought and developed for themselves. They just think that they can literally just take Jewish history that their own holy book describes for themselves because the Jews rejected Mohammed. In my lifetime I don’t think that there’s has been a single popular Palestinian nationalist project that has had a conceivable path towards a Palestinian state or even a long term improvement of Palestinian lives. They have all been centered on hurting Jews. There is not a single good thing to say about the Palestinians. At least the Communists were able to modernize the country and dragged hundreds of millions out of poverty and even increased rights for ethnic minorities.

If the average mainland Chinese was nearly as bloodthirsty as the average Palestinian, I would not feel safe for my family who live in Taiwan.

And that’s another thing that pisses me off about anti-Israel leftists. Every single one of them probably considers themselves an empathetic person. They are able to so clearly see why a Palestinian might think that October 7th was a good thing (ignoring the fact that any human being with two brain cells to rub together should have realized that no good could possibly have come from it), but can’t see why an Israeli might be out of sympathy for the Palestinians. Like their empathy is extremely selective. Like they just don’t have any empathy for Jews or something, but are totally not antisemitic, how dare you call them that! Like how tranny supporters claim to be so empathetic, but somehow have no empathy for women who disagree with them, but don’t you dare call them misogynists!

Of all the bullshit political movements that have ever infected the left, I think that the pro-Palestinian movement along with the pro-tranny movement are the absolute worst with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

[ShadowAngel785]

What did she or her family do?

Being muslim terrorist subhumans. They all need to die. The world will never be ok as long as islam exists. By now everybody with even just half a working brain should've figured that out.

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

Of all the bullshit political movements that have ever infected the left, I think that the pro-Palestinian movement along with the pro-tranny movement are the absolute worst with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

And reminder that the sole reason why Palestinian shit is even a pet cause for leftoids is because the Soviets were asshurt that Israel didn't side with them during the cold war.