Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[Dr. Arinsu]

Sai is already getting flack in the Hazbin Hotel Critic Community. She sweeps for Vivinne Medrano who Lily also sweeps for. If you already know who Viv is. She exactly isn't the person you should be defending.

 

[Big Beefus]

doing that thing this thread is tired of seeing

Dejalo por favor te lo ruego

 

[NoCockatrice]

Dejalo por favor te lo ruego

I understand your frustration, though I find the topic interesting and important to discuss.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

I don't think anybody disagrees with you. Lily is almost certainly an autogynephile, and I absolutely get the frustration. Trans people uses to be incredibly rare and nearly invisible, which is what they WANT to be-- not freaks on display, not judged for a condition. But like so many other issues it got found by narcissists who decided to make it an 'identity', and even worse somehow got the power structures to agree. I know it really took off when the ACA made it mandatory for insurance to cover surgery and unscrupulous hospitals saw dollar signs. I would love to know where trans identity as pop culture costume REALLY started.

It sucks for anybody who is actually trans. I feel awful that such a personal condition got so publicly hijacked. You really don't need that spotlight and you don't deserve the predators that take advantage of it.

But 'disrespecting' pronouns makes it really easy to reduce the conversation to 'you just hate trans people' and then shut down entirely. You'll never reach the people who need to be reached because they've already been primed to believe you're a bigot so anything you say should be dismissed. Even if you're trans. ESPECIALLY if you're trans. (They love stripping the 'right to pronouns' when the wrong trans person says the wrong thing, after all.)

Lily uses this as a shield, and to my knowledge ONLY as a shield. She is very forward about being trans and doesn't seem to invade female spaces with it (she barely leaves her house), it's not a secret she's actually a dude. In that way she's 'harmless', and that's why it's so important not to focus on it. There are definitely transwomen who are more dangerous because they demand access to women in vulnerable places; that definitely needs to be stopped.

But that ain't Lily. I don't think she ever did more than a cursory weigh-in on trans issues like bathroom access and sports (and not until she knew the proper opinion to hold). Being trans is the same as being 1/16 native; it's just armor, and, unfortunately, it's effective.

She knows people circle the wagons when the vaguest whiff of 'transphobia' is in the air, so I personally don't give her that. You take the first step to proving she's lying about her critics, you open the door for people caught in her influence to think, hey... maybe she's lying about other things, too. Ironically, 'respecting her pronouns' strips her of that power.

The broader argument is absolutely valid, but that's a cultural discussion that the Lily Orchard Kiwifarms thread isn't really the place to hold.

 

[Optantrix]

I would love to know where trans identity as pop culture costume REALLY started.

If I had to place my guess it was Bruce Jenner coming out as Caitlin Jenner in 2015 and a higher spike when he got even more coverage being on a magazine cover for said transition.

You can look at Google trends and see what years the spike begins, there's even an old Greentext from 4Chan about how Transgenderism wasn't real prior to 2015 because of how quickly it blew up.

Now it did exist prior to that but in pop-culture was treated as a weird fetish a la Dr. Frank-N-Furter in Rocky Horror Picture Show or it was acknowledged as something straight men with autogynephilic desire did in shows like Criminal minds.

 

[BrokenGlassofWater]

Besides, Orchard would've felt dysphoric about his voice if he was really trans or at least tried to do something to sound more feminine. Meanwhile, he's a literal AGP bingo. Do you really not see that? This is not "True Scotsman VS Scotsman", this is "Scotsman VS Not-A-Scotsman-At-All".

I see what you mean, and the only reason why I cannot wholeheartedly agree is because CD-Call is on record saying she gets more attention by using the less-feminine voice, or more authoritative. I'm certain she spoke about this in a livestream, but I cannot remember when or where.

As far as I can tell, CD-Call will do anything if she sees a benefit to her in some way. It's why she started to become a feminist, and it's why she started to drill non-binary pronouns into her lexicon. There's more benefit to her not correcting her voice to make it sound more feminine, and she has yet to get enough backlash over it from people in her own space.

To dig any deeper beyond what she has said about herself would to contest her personal convictions, and I'm not in a position to do that for multiple reasons, mainly due to not being a psychiatrist or a therapist of any kind. Like the situation around her address and alleged doxxing, I can only use what she chooses to share publicly and make educational guesses based on circumstantial evidence. The only way it can be proven otherwise is to cross boundaries I am unable and unwilling to cross.

But 'disrespecting' pronouns makes it really easy to reduce the conversation to 'you just hate trans people' and then shut down entirely. You'll never reach the people who need to be reached because they've already been primed to believe you're a bigot so anything you say should be dismissed. Even if you're trans. ESPECIALLY if you're trans. (They love stripping the 'right to pronouns' when the wrong trans person says the wrong thing, after all.)

And that's one of many double-standards CD-Call seems to maintain.

 

[Grease Maurice]

lily peet more like lily stink amiright

 

[Suck the Cock]

Well, if we're having this conversation again, I'll see if I can do anything this time.

The central focus of the argument is about optics. The main political parties in the western world are divided into "All trans people are lying pedophiles who only pretend to believe their own propaganda because it helps kids be sexually vulnerable" or "Anyone who, for even a second, thinks it would be cool to be a woman, requires free unlimited access to hormones or else it's genocide". There's basically no middle ground, even though basically everyone is in the middle somewhere. This is the problem with letting internet debates be a part of politics, you only get crazy people.

So, if you care about optics, there's no need to convince the anti-trans crowd that Lily/Jerry is a terrible person, they already believe it. But the problem with optics is that it gets complicated, there's too many layers. The vehemently pro-trans crowd is going to get mad at anyone calling anyone an AGP, but also the silent majority might lean anti-trans if nobody's ever called out for being one, but also normalizing it just makes stupid people use it as an insult even when it's not true, but also stupid people already use it as an insult, but also...

It's all theoretical. There's no greater logic to it than what you think. We're Kiwifarms, if people are taking us seriously we've failed at our jobs. We don't have to care about politics or changing people's minds, leave that to the drama youtubers. We're here to laugh at idiots, and if we're united in that goal then we can even have a thread where the pro- and anti-trans crowd can live in harmonly laughing at one person who identifies as trans. And personally, that's more beautiful to me than any political ideology.

Personally, I use "Jerry" mostly to keep the balance and keep my posting consistent, but honestly I do believe Jerry truly identifies as a woman. Specifically, he identifies as a particular woman, Courtney Peet. Whether that's autogynephilia or "genuine" transness corrupted by a sick mind, I don't really care. The point is, I know he reads the thread and it makes him mald more when people don't take him seriously. And that's enough reason for me.

lily peet more like lily stink amiright

This guy knows what this thread's really about.

 

[AMHOLIO]

. Now, can you imagine how rare that would be to be a transfemale borderline-pedo-rapist?

Saying "she" is hilarious because you say "she is a sleep rapist who made pedophilic fanfiction of My Little Pony and made a sock account trying to get her friends to sleep with her" normies get whiplash and realize "she" is a misnomer. People who don't, i.e. still in the woke, get serious anyway since the rest of that sentence is horrifying/embarrassing. Lily Peet can be referred to as a woman 7 billion times over and all the bad things Lily's done will still be bad. And all the world outside of woke will see that it is male coded.

 

[Devil-Man]

NomNomNami stream

https://www.youtube.com/live/RmAQ_xnI8e8

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2435437242

 

[Frank Greene32]

I understand your frustration, though I find the topic interesting and important to discuss

But… why? Even before posting here, I could tell it was a “agree to disagree” notion here about identity politics on Lily. Cause the notion is “this is a disgusting individual, and they constantly do shit and feigns innocence”

But 'disrespecting' pronouns makes it really easy to reduce the conversation to 'you just hate trans people' and then shut down entirely. You'll never reach the people who need to be reached because they've already been primed to believe you're a bigot

Being trans is the same as being 1/16 native; it's just armor, and, unfortunately, it's effective.

That’s my main reason why I say Lily/CD Lily, If you want to be heard you have to play by social rules. Cause you can’t convince people “Hey Lily has this really big red flag of abusive behavior that follows a pattern” unless you say she.
(Though im gonna be honest those who really want to know will have look over the identity issue to really see how terrible Lily is)

A lot of people are under the impression that KiwiFarms' whole gimmick is "to hate troons".
While I do think that's true, at least to a point where I can sympathize with that disgust, being here to comb through the evidence had lead me to realize that there is (for a lack of a better term) an exaggeration

I’ve always been of the belief you’re gonna find horrible people all corners of the internet, but they are just the loud vocal pet of it. It doesn’t take much brain power to realize that Keffals didn’t hate this site cause of hatred towards trains. No, cause the farms had a lot of info that Keffals didn’t want to be known. A site that keeps track of horrible shit you did. Thats a nightmare for Lily who constantly deletes incriminating shit and rewrites history.

lily peet more like lily stink amiright

Thats what this thread is all about

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Friend: "How do you not have an addiction problem with your trauma history?"
Me on my fourth coffee of the day:

lily. you’re a rapist.

Lily you're not an addict. As much as I wish you were. At least you can help with addiction. There's no fixing what you are.

But hey! Maybe she's just following in the Sora clown Shoe sized footprints of Haley Joel Osment?

Someone gift her some skis!

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

But hey! Maybe she's just following in the Sora clown Shoe sized footprints of Haley Joel Osment?

Someone gift her some skis!

Either she'll make shitty jokes or claim he did nothing wrong.

 

[SatanicPanic]

can't reply to cockatrice for whatever reason (thanks Null) but at the end of the day I don't really care whose transness is real because it literially doesn't affect me. What an odd thing to get butthurt over, ultimately, that someone believes they are a woman and you disagree.

If you're a pedophile or a rapist, it doesn't matter if you're male, female, or whatever else you want to call yourself. this isn't even a political thing its a "who cares" thing. You are treating transness as a trophy, because it seems like to you, it's something that needs to be earned and not just something someone is inherently. Putting the pronoun debate aside, if we stop caring about it so damn much, it won't be a big deal. Reminder I'm not the one who started sperging about how the poor mentally ill trannies need to be protected from sharing an identity with big bad evil Lily Orchard

It seems most trans people that have encountered Orchard that aren't as vile and disgusting as she is realize pretty quickly she's a monster and maintain their distance, but I've never heard any trans person get bent out of shape about her gender. Lily is surrounded by a hugbox of nonces. Let her rot there. Whether she thinks of herself deeply and truly as a woman or is just a man playing dressup. Looks like she hasn't had access to potential victims for quite a while anyway, and probably won't for a very long time, thanks to Joon and other Youtubers.

 

[SomeDudeInA6PointedStan]

My answer to the pronouns question is; use whatever you want. My preferred pronouns to refer to CDomo the Chomo are; it/that/thing/beast/creature/ratkin/shithead/asshole/fuckstick/satanist neoliberal/commie fuckhead/assmunch/chucklefuck/faggot/bitchass/asinine mortal/pissant/cuntwaffler/ogre/rapist/pedophile/pest/sexpest/nonce/chomo.

 

[Big Beefus]

I am now completely in @A Watchful Ghost 's camp. Moving forward, Peet's pronouns are "this asshole"/"this fucker".

 

[elster sierpinski]

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She makes this exact same joke every other week.

Despite how much she hates addicts, she REALLY wants to be one (or rather: be seen as one) in hopes it would add a layer of legitimacy to her story. But theres still that underlying feeling of superiority - that Lily thinks that she's better than anyone who has ever done a substance harder than alcohol. Sadly, Lily, that will never be the case. Regardless of how negatively substance use can affect one's personality and actions, at least the average tweaker hasn't raped their sister.

Re: pronouns - I truly don't care either way. I use she/her and call her Lily because thats how the majority of people, kiwi or not, will recognize her. Whether she's "really trans" or not has nothing to do with me and regardless, its not like trans people can't also be monsters. It's not one or the other. Plus it's not like I'm going to correct someone using he/him and calling him Jerry on fucking kiwifarms lol

 

[A Watchful Ghost]

It seems most trans people that have encountered Orchard that aren't as vile and disgusting as she is realize pretty quickly she's a monster and maintain their distance, but I've never heard any trans person get bent out of shape about her gender. Lily is surrounded by a hugbox of nonces. Let her rot there. Whether she thinks of herself deeply and truly as a woman or is just a man playing dressup. Looks like she hasn't had access to potential victims for quite a while anyway, and probably won't for a very long time, thanks to Joon and other Youtubers.

That's part of the reason why the rebranding came into the first place. It's clear Joon's video completely killed any growth for it, and it's just a ticking time bomb before the views begin to tank along with the patreon money. Because the first fucking thing that came with that asshole's name was Joon's video. But because Peet has the patience of a fucking 5-year-old. It didn't last since boredom, and wanting control, are a powerful drug.

Even more than any substance that bitch could take.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Either she'll make shitty jokes or claim he did nothing wrong.

Sora likes to call people kikes while deep into a cocaine addiction.

Will Lily give him a understanding hand that maybe this man needs help?
I doubt it.

It's wild being called "irrelevant" by someone whose platform is entirely composed of stealing from me and screaming "NO U" at everything I say.If I'm irrelevant, why do you keep going on long screeds about how it's okay to content farm a "dangerous" person?

Saw a take that was lime "If you think BG3 mods are horny, you haven't seen BG2 mods!"Bro which mods are you talking about? BG2 mods are the antithesis of horny. How horny do you expect a mod to be in an environment that is all text and descriptive text is severely frowned upon?The worst romance mod in BG2 tries to present itself as a serious work of drama.These aren't horny, they're cringe.

 

[Frank Greene32]

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Lily you're not an addict. As much as I wish you were. At least you can help with addiction. There's no fixing what you are.

I do find it funny how she has somewhat changed her tune that now she wants to be seen as an addict. But as a “Teehee I drink too much coffee. I’m so addicted.” When like yeah I guess… but caffeine addiction isn’t a worrying one in the sense of how normalized it is.

Despite how much she hates addicts, she REALLY wants to be one (or rather: be seen as one) in hopes it would add a layer of legitimacy to her story. But theres still that underlying feeling of superiority - that Lily thinks that she's better than anyone who has ever done a substance harder than alcohol. Sadly, Lily, that will never be the case. Regardless of how negatively substance use can affect one's personality and actions, at least the average tweaker hasn't raped their sister.

I don’t think it’s so much legitimacy to her trauma but rather adding more sympathy and victim hood. Since a lot of left leaning people believe addiction is more societal faults (which I’m willing to agree to an extent there are more factors than I care to count when it comes to something like addiction) plus…. I think because a lot of people have jumped on her real attitude towards addicts in her tumblr posts.

Like the one about how she has no sympathy for them. Or how weed killed her uncle and is “killing” Courtney (lets be real something harder than weed is doing that) but still none the less hilarious this 180 is.