2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Catch The Rainbow]

Yeah and if I remember correctly, the UN unanimously voted to make Israel into a Jewish state

they voted for the palestine partition which would have created a Jewish State and an Arab State. Arabs rejected it so then the UN declared an arms boycott of the region enforced by the US/UK. UK broke the arms boycott by arming and advising the Jordanian military while France/Czechs broke the arms boycott by arming Israel. The embargo mostly affected Israel since Arabs already had preexisting arms and militaries.

The blackpill is that the UN were never pro Israel and actively worked against it since before the formation of the state.

People for whatever reason want to cling to the fantasy that the world gave the Jews Israel to somehow apologize for the holocaust and they get really angry when people point out the actual history about this.

 

[moocow]

I was surprised to see how pro-Israel the Farms is. Why do you support Israel?

Because you touch yourself at night while thinking about your mother.

 

[Dylon Stevens]

It always floors me when people act like Palestinians losing their homes in the 1940s (due to a war they started, mind you) is the worst tragedy

Again, my first post still stands. People who do not understand that Zionism is an apartheid movement are misled and don't understand this conflict. Go back to my first post and try to at least understand it.

The Palestinians started it? This is immense gaslighting.

In the late 1800s they formed the Jewish colonial fund and began moving and developing an isolationist ideology in Palestine with the goal of making a state. They began lobbying the UK and later the US for this.
In 1931 they already had the British Prime Minister on their side talking about how the goal was to make a "Jewish Palestine". That's 17 years before the ethnic cleansing in 1948.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJw4WasgcZk

So you're saying here, that a clanhood that is built entirely around conquering and cleansing Palestine, just so happens to get the perfect excuse to conquer and cleanse Palestine? Golly gee, what a convenient thing! The problem is, that never happened. Palestine was disarmed by the British mandate, they didn't have an army, when they realized that the Jews were about to seize the country it was already too late. Villages were ethnically cleansed regardless if they had a resistance faction or not, it was entirely based on their pre-made plan. 1948 was a pre-planned ethnic cleansing operation.

The only military that mobilized at he time was the Jordanian military, and it was due to the hordes of refugees storming their country due to massacres that took place in Palestine, way after the main bulk of massacres took place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9To_P8gX9c

Jews never wanted a "two state solution", that is supremely silly. Do you think they would settle to having a microstate in a territory smaller than Slovenia that can't even house 6 million Jews? They didn't spent a century lobbying the governments of the biggest militaries on earth and writing books about colonization to settle for a bunch of farms in Palestine. The plan was the total ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or maybe a 'greater Israel' where Jews have a master-race status and special citizenship over the Arabs. Having this stalemate apartheid for 80 years was never part of the plan.

This is why true-believers who were raised on the writings of the original Zionists, like Benjamin Netanyahu and Ben Gvir, are talking about ethnically cleansing Gaza right now.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Again, my first post still stands. People who do not understand that Zionism is an apartheid movement are misled and don't understand this conflict. Go back to my first post and try to at least understand it.

Your point was bad and you should feel bad. Israel does not have an apartheid system where Jewish Israelis and non-Jewish Israelis have two sets of rights.

The only major difference is non-Jewish groups aren't obligated to serve in the IDF, but if they volunteer they can serve. Ultraorthdox Jews also get this exception (this may change in the future.

You're conflating the military occupation of the West Bank as proof of apartheid, except Palestinians in the Wrst Bank aren't Israeli citizens, thus are not obligated to be treated like Israelis by the Israeli government.

The Palestinians started it? This is immense gaslighting.

In the late 1800s they formed the Jewish colonial fund and began moving and developing an isolationist ideology in Palestine with the goal of making a state. They began lobbying the UK and later the US for this.
In 1931 they already had the British Prime Minister on their side talking about how the goal was to make a "Jewish Palestine". That's 17 years before the ethnic cleansing in 1948.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJw4WasgcZk

Please see the Arab revolt against British rule and attacks on Jews like the 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Go further back, you'll end up with Muslims murdering Jews during Ottoman rule, so yeah, Arabs started this shit. Keep going further back and we must ask ourselves how did fucking Muslims take the Levant hm?

Jews never wanted a "two state solution", that is supremely silly. Do you think they would settle to having a microstate in a territory smaller than Slovenia that can't even house 6 million Jews?

And yet they agreed to the UN Partition Plan. No doubt they probably wanted more but they probably would have settled for the sliver they got. Problem is the Arabs really didn't want a two state solution, because they immediately went to war.

It's fucking hilarious you call the 1948 war a "pre planned ethnic cleansing operation" because if that's true, the Arabs going to war immediately played into Israeli plans. You're also ignoring how the Arabs wanted to ethnically cleanse the Jews (and did so to non- Israeli Jews throughout the 50s and 60s as Israel was too tough for them I guess).

Maybe early Israeli leadership realized that fundamental of the conflict I described earlier:

Arabs start wars, which they lose, and Israel expands. Arab Muslims bitch, cry, and demand revenge. They start more wars which they lose, and Israel grows. More Arab teeth gnashing over losing to Jews. Repeat

The only two neighboring Arab states to realize that hm, starting wars that they lose is retarded, let's make peace and look at that, Egypt got the Sinai back (while refusing to take back Gaza due to the Palestinian infestation) and Jordan also realized that fighting got them nothing. They didn't want the West Bank back though, must have been that whole Palestinian coup thing in September. Hmmmmm.

We then come to decades of Palestinian leadership who, instead of accepting deals, start terrorist campaigns.... which Israel wins and annexes more land. The Palestinians could have had control of East Jerusalem in the 90s. Zero chance of that now.

They didn't spent a century lobbying the governments of the biggest militaries on earth and writing books about colonization to settle for a bunch of farms in Palestine

And yet with all that lobbying, the Israelis had to fight the British after WW2, and British led and supplied Arab forces during the 1948 War.

It helps to have allies but that didn't win them a state.

The plan was the total ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

If this was the plan, why not do it in 1967 after buck breaking the Arab world in 6 days? Considering the Jews were ethnically cleansed from the entire Middle East during the same period, it would have been a footnote in history like the population exchanges of India and Pakistan, post WW2 Germany, etc.

The Jews were too tired of winning that they forgot?

or maybe a 'greater Israel' where Jews have a master-race status and special citizenship over the Arabs.

Lol why don't they do this to Israeli Arabs now then?

Oh because you're full of shit.

I'm going to guess "Greater Israel" would have included the Sinai... which Israel turned over back to Egypt for peace.

Also weird how the Israelis forgot to do some ethnic cleansing in the 60s.

talking about ethnically cleansing Gaza right now.

Good thing the Palestinians have backstabbed or ruined just about every country that helped them. Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, etc. And nobody wants them around, so I hope Gazan Palestinians enjoy having everything around them destroyed because they thought they could attack Isreal en masse and foolishly believe that this attack on Israel was totally the one that would win the day.

Can't ethnically cleanse them if you can't cleanse them somewhere.

 

[Surfin Terf]

The one that's named in all major bible editions before 1948.

https://x.com/dailytimespress/status/1796976461900886171

Sometimes I genuinely do wonder if people like you are pretending to be this retarded. Do you also think that Chicagoans are Amerindians because the Amerindians called the region Checagou for centuries? Do you think that Chicagoans are an oppressed and occupied people? Is a Nigerian Londoner now indigenous to England because he now has a demonym based on the English land that he (or his ancestors) immigrated to?

 

[Dylon Stevens]

Your point was bad and you should feel bad. Israel does not have an apartheid system

You should seriously just go back and see my first posts. Did you even look at them? It's hard to argue when all of a sudden we walk back to square zero in the next post. Do I have to explain again that in South Africa, as in, the actual original apartheid, the plan was also to create "second states" for the blacks to justify the white control of the region? Do I have to explain again that Gaza is 30min away from Tel Aviv? That Palestinians never wanted some sort of segregated territory? That Israel is defined as a "jewish state" and thus Palestinians have limited political rights? That Palestinians protests inside Israel are criminalized? No, they do not have the same rights, even in Israel proper. And no, you don't get to ignore the 4 million people that they have to exclude, without their consent, for the sake of holding a voting majority, because that's the whole point of a grand apartheid scheme.

And yet they agreed to the UN Partition Plan.

"I favor partition of the country, because when we become a strong power after the establishment of the state we will abolish partition and spread throughout all of Palestine" Ben Gurion, 1938

If this was the plan, why not do it in 1967 after buck breaking the Arab world in 6 days?

You don't understand war or geopolitics. The Arab world wasn't "buck broken" in 6 days, Egypt counter attacked and Israel had to retreat all the way back to Gaza. Egypt had more manpower than Israel. JFK then got his head exploded and the CIA chief helped to transfer nuclear material to Israel (which was only revealed in recent doc dumps), and Egypt also had soviet subs with nukes backing them which led to another decades of stalemate. The US began bribing Egypt to sign a pact with Israel and get out of the Sinai, and also to not get nukes because nuke parity would end Israel, and Egypt then became one of the biggest recipients of foreign aid next to Israel to this very day.

No offense, but every single post in this thread defending Israel is a bunch of idiots in a bar. It might as well all come from a guy that looks like this:

You guys will say your one-liners you learned about this somewhere else, you'll repeat a slogan which you didn't' come up with it yourself, and think you're being very very clever. You just owned the libs and taught the antisemite why Israel has the right to defend itself by saying "the sandniggers start all the wars and lose! That's all there is to it!". If you're not even going to read my reply charitably granting I might understand it better than you then this will get too repetitive.

 

[Just_Somebody]

I'm tired and it's late here, but something stood out to me:

You don't understand war or geopolitics. The Arab world wasn't "buck broken" in 6 days, Egypt counter attacked and Israel had to retreat all the way back to Gaza.

... so when did this happen? What was the name of the battle?

Please show me the article where Israel was routed all the way back to Gaza in the Six Day War.

The Egyptians didn't achieve this even with the element of surprise in the Yom Kippur War.

But I've heard some... creative history from some types, which leads me to my second question

No offense, but every single post in this thread defending Israel is a bunch of idiots in a bar. It might as well all come from a guy that looks like this:

So what's your background, "Dylon"?

Because only Arabs can somehow make up Israeli routs wholesale, and in the utterly humiliating Six Day War no less.

Usually farcical claims of Arab victories beating the Jews utterly come from the Yom Kippur War, which basically ignores how the war ended.

 

[pistolwhipped]

In 1931 they already had the British Prime Minister on their side talking about how the goal was to make a "Jewish Palestine". That's 17 years before the ethnic cleansing in 1948.

Um… yeah? It might surprise you but Jews have had the goal of re-establishing the Jewish homeland for, like, 2,000 years, since colonizers destroyed it. It is not a conspiracy or a secret that Jewish people planned this for a long time lmao. I’m still waiting for the ethnic cleansing though, it may have been counter-productive for Israel to give Arab citizens equal rights.

1948 was a pre-planned ethnic cleansing operation.

At what point are Muslims responsible for the consequences of their own chimp outs?

I was going to recommend some light required reading of “1948” by Benny Morris, and then I was like, how silly of me! There’s no way someone as passionate about Levantine history as you are hasn’t already read it.

The plan was the total ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or maybe a 'greater Israel' where Jews have a master-race status and special citizenship over the Arabs.

Yeah god forbid people treat Muslims the way they treat everyone else.

Stop clogging up this thread with your brain rot.

 

[Dylon Stevens]

... so when did this happen? What was the name of the battle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)#7_October

The Egyptians breached the Suez which was basically the only geographic defensive line in the Sinai, leading to Israel seeking diplomatic routes to stop the war, culminating in a full withdrawal from the Sinai later on because they were project to lose a war if Egypt could cross the Suez freely.

They were NOT planning on giving the Sinai to Egypt, Israel was in the process of building civilian settlements in the Sinai like they did around Palestinians.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)#7_October

The Egyptians breached the Suez which was basically the only geographic defensive line in the Sinai, leading to Israel seeking diplomatic routes to stop the war, culminating in a full withdrawal from the Sinai later on because they were project to lose a war if Egypt could cross the Suez freely.

They were NOT planning on giving the Sinai to Egypt, Israel was in the process of building civilian settlements in the Sinai like they did around Palestinians.

You dumb nigger the arabs do this shit all the time because they know the magic words which make western whitey upset. in the 1970s it was racism. Now it's apartheid. By the way what made apartheid so bad was that it created two sets of laws in one country for it's citizens. Blacks and whites had two different laws and legal structures despite being south African citizens. Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens. That's like complaining why Mexicans don't have the first amendment but their Mexican-American cousins do. It's because they're two different people. So stop being a dumb nigger and read a book that isn't written by a but hurt arab. Also if you want to be a spurgy retard there is a thread for that, this is for war updates not muslim bullshit.


Also ever since Israel captured the sini they were willing to use it as a bargaining chip to make peace. Sadat wanted some of the sini (really the suez) and was shocked when Israel handed it all over for peace. Also just so you know that war ended with the IDF like 60 miles from the outskirts of Cairo and within shelling distance of Damascus. A real arab win clearly.


The Yom Kippur war did one thing for the Egyptians it allowed them to tell their stupid population that their army was strong enough to defeat Israel but that they only lost due to Syrian incompetency. However in reality Israel whipped them. The Arab militaries fucking suck and they always have.

 

[Dylon Stevens]

Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens.

Bantus weren't considered South African citizens. Blacks were denominated as "Bantus" and were meant to be in their own states. That's apartheid. Yes, Israel gives citizenship to Arabs to avoid humanitarian criticism, however, Israel is still an apartheid regime meant to make sure Jews have the majority of votes. Do you disagree?

Did you see how I pointed out that Palestinians never asked for their territory to be fragmented? How do you address that? How many countries on earth exists entirely intertwined with each other inside a territory the size of Slovenia? Literally zero.

That's like complaining why Mexicans don't have the first amendment but their Mexican-American cousins do

Is Mexico some sort of slave colony surrounded by America? Do Americans just make military settlements and civilian settlements surrounding Mexican towns? Are Mexicans ruled by the US military? Can the US military kidnap Mexicans in Mexico for violating arbitrary laws dictated by military commanders?

if you want to be a spurgy retard there is a thread for that

In hindsight, it was a mistake of mine to start a reply to a retard who opens up his geopolitical discussion post with "you dumb nigger". I'm guilty of getting too drawn into this discussion that people here are honestly not worthy of it. I'm not an arab, you don't have to be an arab to get this. I would say it's very relevant to an American to understand why the US is ruled by Jews and why it's currently going bankrupt just to war the middle east.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Bantus weren't considered South African citizens. Blacks were denominated as "Bantus" and were meant to be in their own states. That's apartheid. Yes, Israel gives citizenship to Arabs to avoid humanitarian criticism, however, Israel is still an apartheid regime meant to make sure Jews have the majority of votes. Do you disagree?

Damn the US must be an apartheid regime too because the whites get a majority of the votes and not idk... the Chinese. It's call demographics. Israel has numerically more Jews that Arabs.

Did you see how I pointed out that Palestinians never asked for their territory to be fragmented? How do you address that?

Palestine has refused every time every offer which provides them a state even before fragmention and land swaps which would make the issue null. They caused their own issue. They only see victory in making all the land between the Mediterranean and the jordan an arab majority state.

How many countries on earth exists entirely intertwined with each other inside a territory the size of Slovenia?

Sir this is America use American units. Israel is the size of the state of NJ, Judea and Samaria is around the size of Delaware and gaza the size of Manhattan. And it's not zero Lesotho and eswatini. Oh and the border of India and every other country next to it has enclaves inside enclaves.

Literally zero.

wrong

Is Mexico some sort of slave colony surrounded by America?

slave colony? Damn I should go buy a Muslim to repaint my house. And yes Mexico exists so we can get tortas and tacos.

Do Americans just make military settlements and civilian settlements surrounding Mexican towns?

yes look up the history of how we acquired everything west of the Mississippi.

Are Mexicans ruled by the US military? Can the US military kidnap Mexicans in Mexico for violating arbitrary laws dictated by military commanders?

They get people before they commit terror crimes against Israeli civilians. All nations have a duty to protect their people. And yes it's called gitmo.

In hindsight, it was a mistake of mine to start a reply to a retard who opens up his geopolitical discussion post with "you dumb nigger".

You act like a dumb nigger you get called out for being a dumb nigger. You points are not in any factual reality and only rely on upholding your own bias about the Jews and Israel. Here is the fact: The arabs and Muslims cannot stand when they are not in control of anything. This is because they are taught that as Muslims they are automatically the correct people and anyone who doesn't follow islam does it by choice and thus doesn't deserve to have an opinion. Palestinians have hijacked planes, killed random civilians and caused unrest and terror outside the middle east. They should never be rewarded with anything and they certainly shouldn't be rewarded a state for all the violence they cause. There is a reason why established nations establish relations with Israel across all fronts and college kids and the uneducated and irrelevant are the only ones who care about the Muslims who colonized the Jewish homeland (ala Palestinians).

I'm guilty of getting too drawn into this discussion that people here are honestly not worthy of it. I'm not an arab, you don't have to be an arab to get this.

So what are you? A Pakistani?

I would say it's very relevant to an American to understand why the US is ruled by Jews and why it's currently going bankrupt just to war the middle east.

Ahh you're a stupid groyper. Got it. Please sir show me on the doll where the Jew touched you.

 

[TalmudicKetamine]

groyper

As if there is a difference between "white" retards lead by a sadly living pedophile vs. brown retards lead by a dead pedophile.

@Dylon Stevens The Palestinians aren't "classified" as Israeli citizens because they aren't. Those in the West Bank are under the Palestinian Authority, and Gaza under Hamas. These people are their respective governments problem, not Israel's.

 

[moocow]

You nigs are falling for some pretty obvious bait by a brand-spanking-new account.

 

[FedPostalService]

You nigs are falling for some pretty obvious bait by a brand-spanking-new account.

Please be patient. We have autism.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Douglas Murray vs. Dave Smith and Joe Rogan on Israel’s response to October 7th. I know Dave Smith has an inflated view of his own expertise (when he’s actually just parroting whatever dipshit Scott Horton says). But it’s absolutely wild to me that he thought he could hold his own against Douglas Murray. Dave is just absolutely delusional.

That's because Dave Smith and the entire American libertarian movement has been compromised by Iranian and Russian military intelligence but that's not to say Israel doesn't do the exact same thing it's just that your average anti Israel weirdo doesn't have good talking points when it comes to America having a tailboy alliance with the state of Israel which is one sided which would actually be an argument.
It's just the right wing equivalent of 3rd Worldism

Jews are indigenous to Israel. It wasn’t colonization and the fact that people deny that Arabs are the colonizers just shows that most people decide what they want to believe and reality doesn’t affect their thinking at all.

No they are not most modern Jews are more ethnically Russian and German than they are belated to the ancient Hebrews jews literally invented their own history that they tell de each other every single night.

 

[ShadowAngel785]

No offense, but every single post in this thread defending Israel is a bunch of

Full offense: Every Idiot who defends the muslims rapists, pedophiles, mass murdering terrorist subhumans needs to be deported to Gaza and get gang raped by said subhumans so while they lay there bleeding from their asses after the assault they might realize the truth finally - even if it's too late then .
Fuck people like you. Fuck people who even think the slightest positive thing about muslim subhumans. If justice and science fiction was real, shit like you would be packed into a time travelling van and transported back to the Twin Towers at 9/11 because you deserve nothing else but dying in fire.

 

[EyeGuy]

An Israeli soldier was killed and five others were wounded, including three seriously, in a Hamas attack in the northern Gaza Strip earlier today, the military announces.

The slain soldier is named as Warrant Officer G'haleb Sliman Alnasasra, 35, a tracker in the Gaza Division's Northern Brigade, from Rahat.

He is the first soldier to be killed in Gaza since the IDF resumed its offensive against Hamas in the Strip on March 18.

The incident took place during operations of the 252nd Division near northern Gaza's Beit Hanoun. The division is working to clear the area close to the border of Hamas infrastructure, including tunnels, as part of efforts to expand Israel's buffer zone.

According to an initial IDF probe, at 12:58 p.m., a group of soldiers driving along an IDF logistics road, close to an army encampment inside Gaza, came under fire by Hamas operatives. The operatives, who had come out of a tunnel shaft, launched an RPG at the army vehicle.

Three servicewomen, of the 414th Combat Intelligence Collection Unit, were wounded in the attack. Two of them, an officer and a combat medic, are listed in serious condition.

A short while later, rescue forces led by the commander of the Gaza Division's Northern Brigade, Col. Omri Mashiah, reached the scene, along with trackers from the brigade.

At 1:25 p.m., according to the probe, the Hamas operatives set off an explosive device on the side of a road, near the rescue forces, killing Alnasasra and wounding two other trackers, including one seriously.

The IDF carried out a wave of strikes in the area, in an attempt to eliminate the operatives behind the attack, the military says.

 

[Surfin Terf]

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He is the first soldier to be killed in Gaza since the IDF resumed its offensive against Hamas in the Strip on March 18.

it took them a month to kill a single Israeli soldier?

The slain soldier is named as Warrant Officer G'haleb Sliman Alnasasra, 35

Was he Arab? How do these ineffectual Axis of Resistance attacks always end up killing more Arabs than Jews? That random Gazan living in the West Bank getting flattened by the fuselage of an Iranian missile was outrageous bad luck.

 

[pistolwhipped]

Ahh you're a stupid groyper. Got it. Please sir show me on the doll where the Jew touched you.

Mongoloids with zero media literacy skills will read one Al Jazeera article and watch one YouTube video about the yishuv containing out of context Ben Gurion quotes, and think they uncovered some secret the rest of us don’t know.

it took them a month to kill a single Israeli soldier?

Was he Arab? How do these ineffectual Axis of Resistance attacks always end up killing more Arabs than Jews? That random Gazan living in the West Bank getting flattened by the fuselage of an Iranian missile was outrageous bad luck.

Muslims have bad aim, that’s why they prefer to shoot their unarmed victims in the back of the head from point blank range.

In other news, here’s some new Palestinian grift content via X. This person gathers posts from actual Gazan social media (not “Gaza” media scripted and produced for westerners) which continuously expose the reality on the ground.