Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

Tucker Carlson did an interview with Patrick Lancaster

 

[Lookie-lou]

I watched the original longer video and yeah, he really said that they were bravely fighting alongside russian forces.
The thing is, earlier Russia said that north koreans are not fighting directly on the frontline, but serve mostly as logistical support. That allowed to free some russian hands to support frontlune. And in the video it is hard to tell what exactly north koreans did. But in my opinion ukies could not capture any north koreans because on the front line there were none.

DPRK contract workers doing work in Russia by the hundreds or thousands has been a thing for north Koreans since long before the war. If a few highly fluent in Russian were peppered along the front line in some russian units I could believe it, but the problem I've noticed more so with western viewer centred 'pro-russian' telegram is it's run by journoscum clickhunters. So my attitude is let it go for a day or two to see what sticks.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Tucker Carlson did an interview with Patrick Lancaster

Patrick is great, glad to see he's getting some love.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Zelensky is either giving confession or in the principal's office.




Looks like a child.

 

[Overly Serious]

The issue isn't around Ukraine actually having that land, the issue is about Russia wanting Ukraine to admit Crimea isn't its land. Subtly different, but it ensures Crimea will never be Ukrainian land at any point in the future. I can see how that could be difficult because Ukraine will have its eye on getting back parts of the East that are predominantly Russian but were part of the original Ukrainian State. If they admit that Crimea is Russian, Russia can easily point to the East's demographics and historically Russian populace and compare it with Crimea to justify keeping it in negotiations.

Well yes - that's the point of Russia wanting it agreed to in any peace deal. I'm not sure who you're explaining this to but I'm worried if it's me. My point is very simple - that there's a difference between standing your ground over land that is historically yours and where your people live; and over land that historically hasn't been and where your people don't live. Crimea is filled with Russians who want no part of Ukranian rule. If China occupied Florida, there would be a moral argument for America trying to reclaim it for Americans. In Crimea, Russia has annexed an area filled with... Russians. That historically has been Russian. And the people there themselves don't like you.

I'm not for, against or passing judgement, that's just how Ukraine will see it and why it's a sticking point in negotiation.

I can pass judgement if you like. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of conscripted soldiers and your nations economy in order to retain political control over a group of people who hate you and who you denied drinking water to for daring to resist that control, is wrong. There, judged.

He's a jew, why would he have any respect for the Pope in death, or Catholics in general? Remember, he gave this blasphemous icon to the Pope when they first met, and expected to be lauded for it.

What's it meant to be and what is blasphemous about it? Genuine question.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

What's it meant to be and what is blasphemous about it? Genuine question.

It's an icon of the Madonna and Child, a famous religious art genre. The image of our Blessed Virgin Mary and the baby Jesus Christ have been venerated by Roman Catholics for hundreds of years in this specific form, and to depict the Virgin, a saint, holding an empty space where Jesus Christ, the manifestation of our Heavenly Father on earth should be, is sacrilegious and offensive; a deliberate mockery of core Roman Catholic beliefs.

This is a traditional Madonna and Child icon:



Since the Ukraine is home to a good many Roman Catholics he knew, or should have known, how offensive that icon would be. Not only that, the Pope was added to the Myrotvorets kill list because Zelensky and his patrons didn't like the Pope calling for all parties to resolve this conflict peacefully. That's right, in a fit a pique he added the head of the Roman Catholic Church to a kill list.

 

[Overly Serious]

@Feline Supremacist Thanks. I recognised the Madonna and Child composition of the picture but I didn't know what it was trying to say or symbolise. So the blacking out of the child Jesus is the point. Bizarre.

But then the Pope carried out his sermons in a building shaped like a serpents head and with this hideous piece of sculpture behind him depicting what looks to me like Christ in Hell. Or possibly the wall piece from The Devil's Advocate. So maybe Pope Francis didn't mind it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

@Feline Supremacist Thanks. I recognised the Madonna and Child composition of the picture but I didn't know what it was trying to say or symbolise. So the blacking out of the child Jesus is the point. Bizarre.

But then the Pope carried out his sermons in a building shaped like a serpents head and with this hideous piece of sculpture behind him depicting what looks to me like Christ in Hell. Or possibly the wall piece from The Devil's Advocate. So maybe Pope Francis didn't mind it.

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While the state of the Vatican does indeed have some bizarre modernist structures, keep in mind that building is merely one of many among churches and chapels in Vatican City.

This is the Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran in Vatican City where most services are held.


This is St Peter's Basilica where some services are held.


Again, Zelensky's very public display of an altered, distorted caricature of the Madonna and Child icon missing the baby Jesus Christ, as if God Himself is irrelevant, is extremely offensive to all practicing Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians, not just to the head of the Roman Catholic Church.

It's akin to presenting the Iman of Mecca with a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed. Zelya should be grateful Catholics don't do Crusades anymore but maybe we should.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

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What's it meant to be and what is blasphemous about it? Genuine question.

I've never seen it but considering the text at the bottom says "Т Р А Т А", I assume the first letter is У and the full word is "УТРАТА" (loss), and I assume the blacked out child is symbolizing the "kidnapped children" narrative that was being pushed.

I don't think it's blasphemous, it's just one of the more tasteless ways to push your political agenda. Presenting it to the literal Pope is like getting to meet, IDK, someone very important and blowing your load by telling him a "Your Mama" joke.

 

[Betonhaus]

@Feline Supremacist Thanks. I recognised the Madonna and Child composition of the picture but I didn't know what it was trying to say or symbolise. So the blacking out of the child Jesus is the point. Bizarre.

But then the Pope carried out his sermons in a building shaped like a serpents head and with this hideous piece of sculpture behind him depicting what looks to me like Christ in Hell. Or possibly the wall piece from The Devil's Advocate. So maybe Pope Francis didn't mind it.

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That last sculpture literally looks like shit splattering like hot lava. Isn't that in the Jewish book about Jesus in hell in a pool of boiling shit?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Presenting it to the literal Pope is like getting to meet, IDK, someone very important and blowing your load by telling him a "Your Mama" joke

Well, for a practicing Roman Catholic who believes, that is blasphemous since the Pope is considered the literal representative of Christ on Earth. Talking to the Pope is like speaking to God.

It would be as if Zelensky said "lol, look at this thing I made, fuck the Russians, amirite God?"

Yeah, you don't speak to the Lord that way. Not without consequences. He's a jew so he doesn't give a shit, so why even bother?

 

[TexWiller]

He's a jew, why would he have any respect for the Pope in death, or Catholics in general? Remember, he gave this blasphemous icon to the Pope when they first met, and expected to be lauded for it.

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Then he added him to the hohol kill list when the Pope said everyone involved should work for peace.

almost as cringe as the gold plated pager. that one at least wasnt blasphemous. not like anyone cares nowadays, including the late pope.

and btw. who the fuck painted that? looks like something a retard or a 5 years old would do.

 

[Overly Serious]

almost as cringe as the gold plated pager. that one at least wasnt blasphemous.

It may not be blasphemous but it does come across as a threat, given Mossad had recently used pagers as mass assassination devices.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of conscripted soldiers and your nations economy in order to retain political control over a group of people who hate you and who you denied drinking water to for daring to resist that control, is wrong. There, judged.

^^^ The conclusion of the matter, everything [of relevance] having been heard.

 

[RuZZianWarCriminal]

Kursk is now cleared and its officially confirmed North Koreans were definitely there. But all the cope about “meat waves” was total fiction. They actually did two-three clean pushes and set up Bulsae-4 properly to smoke a good amount of AFU/NATO armor. Ukraine couldn’t even capture a single Juche guy either. Instead they grabbed some Tuvan and made him say a few words of broken Korean on camera while showing documents with a Tuvan name. Total clown show.
The North Koreans came mainly to get experience and learn, not to plug some manpower gap that was never there, mission accomplished.

 

[Nopenopenope]

BBC news article here about Klitschko:

Ukraine may have to temporarily give up land for peace, Kyiv Mayor Klitschko tells BBC

Read the comments, it's all people saying don't surrender, to the last man, Ukraine stronk. It's either so tone deaf to be offensive liberals literally wanting mass casualties, or bots?

 

[Akerman]

I'd be more willing to entertain Kiev's "never surrender" attitude if they were actually being invaded and conquered by a true foreign entity and culture, but the people of Crimea don't want to be part of Ukraine.

I would be willing to entertain it if Ukraine was actually saying that to the real invaders currently taking over their country. Instead the gnome is doing the opposite. Zelensky is currently mass liquidating SOEs (publicly owned enterprises), selling off their REMs and auctioning off their arable land to the highest bidders. Those bidders are usually non-Ukrainians located in the west. So in other words, he is welcoming the invasion and has done so before the SMO.

Western financing to Ukraine has come with strings attached that have fundamentally changed Ukrainian society from the outside. A drastic structural adjustment program required austerity and privatization measures, including the creation of a land market for the sale of agricultural land. President Zelensky forced through the land reform into law in 2020 against the will of the vast majority of the population who feared it would exacerbate corruption and reinforce control by powerful interests in the agricultural sector. Findings of the report concur with these concerns. We forget this now, but they originally elected Zelensky because he said he was going to oppose corruption. A "Servant of the People". He played a teacher that was fed up with the absolute decrepit state of his country post-Euromaidan and was elected on a viral video ranting about it. I haven't watched the show, but I would imagine he actually fights corruption after taking office in it, in real life however he has largely ended up doing the opposite. His actions have served to entrench it. This is the "democracy" that we are supposed to want defended in Ukraine.

3 years later in 2023 it was estimated by a report ignored by most news media that up to 28% of Ukraine's arable land has now been seized by a mixture of oligarchs in debt to foreign banks, foreign owned business and foreign investment funds of 'democracies' like Saudi Arabia. It has most likely only gotten much worse since then. -- Last time I checked in on this was a 300+ page report on all the "reforms" Ukraine was planning to do in order to appease Brussels. It read like a complete surrender to the interests of western elites. Further cuts have been planned, more deregulation and liquidation of public assets like state owned banks have been set in motion. The country is basically retooling itself to become a playground of western exploitation which the Ukrainian people will suffer greatly under.

These are the same guys pretending they care so much about Ukraine's sovereignty. To quote Olga from my previous post: This prick should have stayed a comedian.

 

[ZMOT]

Yes, but also these numbers won't matter much if these countries roll out conscription similar to Ukraine. Your "conscientious objector" status will be kindly noted and disregarded as you are shoved into a trench.

not gonna happen. this only works in slava ukraini because of the average numbers of feds vs civilians and it being slav vs slav.

just imagine for a moment how that's supposed to go down in the liberal west:
- who's gonna conscripted, white euros? immigrants? who do you think is willing to die for the "european economic zone"?
- besides males, this is the of age equality, are you conscripting women too? no? that's discrimination, enjoy a legal quagmire dragging on years. otherwise everyone is suddenly a women, equality ho!
- how do you go about it? white cops detaining immigrants? that's nazi. brown cops detaining whites? enjoy your "extreme-right" boogeyman party get full majority next election
- going back to point 1, how do you think people gonna react to some feds coming to take their son to die in some ditch? or yussuf and mdabu once the feds come for them.

look who runs the liberal west, look how they thought for years this is the end of history and they "won", no more wars and other uncomfortable shit, and everything else can just be kicked down the road for another administration in 10 or so years to figure out.
TPTB truly fucked themselves in that regard, not only are people too coddled and pampered to serve anyway, the whole mindset to fight for your country has been completely eradicated, and no one is willing to die for "democracy", let alone the politicians constantly whining about it - and people know this.

Imposed? Russia didn't impose that spelling on me, as a Brit, it's the spelling we picked when converting moon-runes to a proper alphabet. I'm not changing my language to please a bunch of nationalists. See also: Kiev, and that gay ass name for Turkey that has a letter that doesn't even exist in English because the roach is upset about Poultry jokes.

even more funny is that back then it was russian, so the russian spelling is correct. same way constantinople was the capitol of the eastern roman empire, not fucking istanbul.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://megalodon.jp/2025-0427-0605-19/https://x.com:443/RT_com/status/1916099325794406816

https://sputnikglobe.com/20250426/n-koreas-solidarity-on-liberating-kursk-region-demonstrates-high-allied-level-relations---moscow-1121938683.html

https://megalodon.jp/2025-0427-0609-10/https://sputnikglobe.com:443/20250426/n-koreas-solidarity-on-liberating-kursk-region-demonstrates-high-allied-level-relations---moscow-1121938683.html

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